On reality

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Do we live in a world with multiple realities? Is there a physical reality, and a "spiritual" reality where for example fallen angels exist? Or are the fallen angels just invisible but in the same reality?

I want a greater perspective on this subject.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Do we live in a world with multiple realities? Is there a physical reality, and a "spiritual" reality where for example fallen angels exist? Or are the fallen angels just invisible but in the same reality?

I want a greater perspective on this subject.

Some fallen angels are in the abyss under the earth.

Revelation 9:2

evil spirits are, according to book of Enoch, disembodied Nephilim/giants.

Enoch Chapter 15

And satan is the prince of the world, able to do as he did during Jesus' temptation. I think.

Luke 22:31

 

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Here is my outlandish view:

Multiple realities exist. What may be true for one person, isn't necessarily true for another - even spiritually.

For example, person A might be used to paranormal activity. In their reality, paranormal is a very real thing. And you must be careful of it.

Then you got Person B's reality where they have never experienced anything odd in their life.

Then at the afterlife, people are judged according to how they reacted to their reality. Did person A give in to the darkness, or did they follow light? Did person B ever have a similar reality to person A? How did person B behave in their reality?

 

[Winken]

Do we live in a world with multiple realities? Is there a physical reality, and a "spiritual" reality where for example fallen angels exist? Or are the fallen angels just invisible but in the same reality?

I want a greater perspective on this subject.

There is the sinful nature (the flesh), then for the Christian the Spiritual Nature. The former can imagine anything utilizing mind, will, emotions. It can, and too often does, wander off into the mystical, rather than considering our Creator. The Spiritual Nature listens to the Holy Spirit, who leads to Truth.

 

[Rigatoni]

I love philosophical discussions like this.

I used to believe in subjective realities, even used to debate my dad on this matter in the past before I was saved. But, I honestly believe there is only one, objective reality, by which everything operates; there has to be an objective standard. The popular view today is that reality itself consists of 6-7 dimensions or more, and that it's actually a physical object which we see "rendered" one "frame" at a time in the 3rd dimension, and to some extent I'm open to that idea.

But, our experiences themselves are subjective, but not the reality itself in my opinion. We all see reality through a lens / worldview, and we will be judged based on that. But, at the same time, there is objective unchanging truth, and we are responsible for seeking that out. Also, I see reality as being layered, and right now we can't see the spiritual "layer".

 

[I'm_Sorry]

There is the sinful nature (the flesh), then for the Christian the Spiritual Nature. The former can imagine anything utilizing mind, will, emotions. It can, and too often does, wander off into the mystical, rather than considering our Creator. The Spiritual Nature listens to the Holy Spirit, who leads to Truth.

And may His will be done on earth as it is in heaven as we become more obedient and in service to His Kingdom.

 

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I love philosophical discussions like this.

I used to believe in subjective realities, even used to debate my dad on this matter in the past before I was saved. But, I honestly believe there is only one, objective reality, by which everything operates; there has to be an objective standard. The popular view today is that reality itself consist of 6-7 dimensions or more, and that it's actually a physical object which we see "rendered" one "frame" at a time in the 3rd dimension, and to some extent I'm open to that idea.

But, our experiences themselves are subjective, but not the reality itself in my opinion. We all see reality through a lens / worldview, and we will be judged based on that. But, at the same time, there is objective unchanging truth, and we are responsible for seeking that out.

I do have a life story, so that I'm not just blowing completely to the wind...

I had a mentor for awhile, I feel. Well I have my own reality or worldview. Well whenever they were mentoring me, I felt like I was crossing paths into their reality. Their reality is much more Charismatic than my reality, so whenever I talked to them or hung around them, I would have a lot more supernatural experiences.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

We all see reality through a lens / worldview,

What we see is the body's interpretation of light hitting the eyes :O

What do we see when we dream?

Mind blown.

 

[Neogaia777]

Some of my friends have been experiencing (five of them that I know of) have been having strange dreams that they remember in part, while staying with me or having contact or visiting or talking with me...

I've tried not to look into it too much though...

I use to have them, not as much now though...

 

[Rigatoni]

I do have a life story, so that I'm not just blowing completely to the wind...

I had a mentor for awhile, I feel. Well I have my own reality or worldview. Well whenever they were mentoring me, I felt like I was crossing paths into their reality. Their reality is much more Charismatic than my reality, so whenever I talked to them or hung around them, I would have a lot more supernatural experiences.

What kind of experiences did you have? What was their view of reality like?

What we see is the body's interpretation of light hitting the eyes :O

What do we see when we dream?

Mind blown.

Exactly =) Our experiences and perceptions are subjective in my opinion, but reality itself is absolute.

 

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What kind of experiences did you have? What was their view of reality like?

I don't want to say too much, because this member frequents the forum and we must respect people's privacy. But let's just say they thought people had demons. Well when I was around them, it was like demons would work through me as well, even as a Christian.

They are still a great person though.

 

[Neogaia777]

I think there are multiple realities that are kind of woven together though in ways...

Any reality that requires any kind of substance, whether it be matter or energy or "anything", is not God's personal reality, where nothing is needed or required for him (God) to exist (there) from where all substantial realities, that may also be bound by time and possibly space or distance in some ways, anyhow, from where all other substantial realities stem and exist, cause they are all creations from that ultimate reality, where God is, that is not bound by time, space, or substance, all other substantial realities or where other "created" things exist, stem from and exist from that require some sort of substance or form...

Anyhow, what I am saying is that all created beings exist in some kind of more limited than God's reality, realities that are designed to suit the created beings in those realities, one perhaps physical, one perhaps more like energy, yet need substance, like us, the angels or spirits, and then, there is God's reality...

Anyhow, our reality is one very limited reality, another, the spiritual or created spirit being(s) reality that is less limited, yet still limited, then God's reality, the ultimate reality, that has no limits that we know of...

God Bless!

And there may be very many multiple levels of different realities too, and very many different kinds, but, I was trying to keep something as simple as I could that is most definitely, not very simple or easy to explain at all...

 

[timewerx]

Do we live in a world with multiple realities? Is there a physical reality, and a "spiritual" reality where for example fallen angels exist? Or are the fallen angels just invisible but in the same reality?

I want a greater perspective on this subject.

Multiple universes do exist around you within an arm's reach.

However, there is really no spiritual reality in absolute terms. Everything is actually physical if you have full access of everything.

The term of "Of-the-Spirit" denotes a state of existence that is pure, uncorrupted, and contains the knowledge of the Truth but still very physical. And such pure state can endow you with supernatural abilities.

Angels are also physical creations but in a very advanced/uncorrupted state. A few of their abilities like de-materialize at will, become invisible, become microscopic in size, become very big, appear in any form they wish, pass through physical objects. But at the end of the day, they are still physical.....Just with the full ability to manipulate the matter and energy around them. It's hard science that we haven't figured out....

Fallen angels still have some of those abilities with their robot-like resolve/discipline. And with those abilities, that is how they can live/possess a person (while still remaining a physical entity).

This is why you can actually guard yourself from demons and even defeat them to some degree using physical/chemical methods.

In the Old Testament, the Jews equated literal uncleanliness to evil or "impure" meaning, uncleanliness can cause one to sin. Indeed it's not far from the truth. They were OCD when they created the "Holy of Holies" in the tabernacle, the extravagant use of silver and gold and copper----These metals have antibacterial properties and will kill bacteria on contact!

 

[Neogaia777]

I wonder if God's reality is purely math, with no substance required, and all those other realities of his, (ours, the angels or demons or spirits) And their reality and ours is/are all built on numbers and math as well...

Very, very high, very very complex and detailed math or numbers, still way beyond our grasp, from which all other realities of substance stem from, are built upon, are held together by, and exist...

 

[Neogaia777]

I wonder if God's reality is purely math, with no substance required, and all those other realities of his, (ours, the angels or demons or spirits) And their reality and ours is/are all built on numbers and math as well...

Very, very high, very very complex and detailed math or numbers, still way beyond our grasp, from which all other realities of substance stem from, are built upon, are held together by, and exist...

That might mean that all of "this", could be a very highly complex computer program, built with biochemical material (matter) (physical substance), using electricity or electrical signals (or energy) (spiritual substance) to bring it all to life...

God Bless!

 

[RGW00]

Do we live in a world with multiple realities? Is there a physical reality, and a "spiritual" reality where for example fallen angels exist? Or are the fallen angels just invisible but in the same reality?

I want a greater perspective on this subject.

I don't think these are realities, but rather, perspectives on life. It's all about the eyes of the beholder on what they are used to seeing. I think we are all in the same reality but Heaven and Hell are in a completely different dimension/reality. They may not even be in sync with the universe at all (assuming this because God says 1 second is like 1000 years in Heaven).

 

[Rigatoni]

I don't want to say too much, because this member frequents the forum and we must respect people's privacy. But let's just say they thought people had demons. Well when I was around them, it was like demons would work through me as well, even as a Christian.

They are still a great person though.

Oh okay, I asked just to get a better idea. One thing I've learned in my own experience is the importance of staying rooting in God's word, and in the truth He reveals. Otherwise, it's very easy to be led astray by the devil's deceit, and he goes to great extents to deceive us. I'm not saying that's what's going on, but it's something I definitely take into account; if the spiritual realm exists, then we have to be aware of it's influence.

 

[Winken]

Let's remember that the Spiritual (capital S, meaning Godly), is the exact opposite of the spiritual (small s) where anything goes. The spiritual is lost in wondering, the Spiritual is found in Him.

 

[Neogaia777]

Oh okay, I asked just to get a better idea. One thing I've learned in my own experience is the importance of staying rooting in God's word, and in the truth He reveals. Otherwise, it's very easy to be led astray by the devil's deceit, and he goes to great extents to deceive us. I'm not saying that's what's going on, but it's something I definitely take into account; if the spiritual realm exists, then we have to be aware of it's influence.

Yes, I would like to state that all that I have said here, is just pondering, purely theoretical, and purely hypothetical wondering, and should not be taken as fact, but, it is kinda fun sometimes to me, and those like me, I expect/suspect, to "do" sometimes, and it seems to broaden our horizon's and seems to kinda raise our level(s) of consciousness or awareness, even though none of it can be proven as, nor is meant to be taken as, "fact"... Kinda like science fiction or fantasy novels/stories/movies can...

Just keep in mind that it's all pure theory when you get on this kind of ground...

But, as far as the Bible teaches, their is at least two for sure, a physical reality and a spiritual reality that are tied together somehow, and are near to each other, but that's about all the Bible let's you know about it/them (other realities)... It does seem to suggest that those two realities can and do affect one another though... But, again, the Bible doesn't delve to deep into the intricacies of how that all works in great detail, cause were just supposed to believe (in) it by faith, I think...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Yes, I would like to state that all that I have said here, is just pondering, purely theoretical, and purely hypothetical wondering, and should not be taken as fact, but, it is kinda fun sometimes to me, and those like me, I expect/suspect, to "do" sometimes, and it seems to broaden our horizon's and seems to kinda raise our level(s) of consciousness or awareness, even though none of it can be proven as, nor is meant to be taken as, "fact"... Kinda like science fiction or fantasy novels/stories/movies can...

Just keep in mind that it's all pure theory when you get on this kind of ground...

But, as far as the Bible teaches, their is at least two for sure, a physical reality and a spiritual reality that are tied together somehow, and are near to each other, but that's about all the Bible let's you know about it/them (other realities)... It does seem to suggest that those two realities can and do affect one another though... But, again, the Bible doesn't delve to deep into the intricacies of how that all works in great detail, cause were just supposed to believe (in) it by faith, I think...

God Bless!

Oh, the Bible also teaches that by the use and power of Jesus name, we can have, from our reality, authority and power and dominion over that other spiritual reality where angels and demons exist...

Again, were not supposed to know every detail about it, but, just believe it by faith...

Oh, and by that power and authority be able to command those over there to use the power they have from there over this kind of reality, for our uses and purposes that are in God's will, here in this realm of reality...

If we only believed it though...