Is Grace an act of love? More specifically is God's grace an act or result of God's love towards fallen man?
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BT said:
Pretty open ended...
Let me try to sum up my view as succinctly as possible:
1. Love is an attribute of God from which grace flows. In eternity past, there existed love in the Trinity, there was no grace needed. So, love in an eternal attribute.
2. John 3:16 would seem to confirm this. Since God love the world, He therefore extended eternal life to those who believe (by grace through faith).
3. There was no grace extended before the Fall. Fallen angels knew nothing of grace. Grace is something at which the Angels of God wonder.
My 2.5 cents worth.
You may now rip apart my arguments!
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No need to rip. I'm just wondering if grace has anything to do with love. It is "by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." (Eph 2:8). Is this gift because God loves us (grace then being the result of love, or coming through God's love)?
There is no question of God's love. The question is of God's grace. Is it because of his love or despite his love? If you say that it is because of his love, then it makes sense. If you say that it is despite his love then it [grace] does not make sense.
And then if we say that grace is an act of God's love then we must admit that grace is for all. Because if grace is not for all then it can not be an act of love, it becomes an act of "unmerited favoritism" rather than "unmerited favor". In this grace is no longer grace.
There is no question of God's love. The question is of God's grace. Is it because of his love or despite his love? If you say that it is because of his love, then it makes sense. If you say that it is despite his love then it [grace] does not make sense.
And then if we say that grace is an act of God's love then we must admit that grace is for all. Because if grace is not for all then it can not be an act of love, it becomes an act of "unmerited favoritism" rather than "unmerited favor". In this grace is no longer grace.
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This is very turbulent water for some people actually. I see grace as given to all who take it, because of God's love.BT said:
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Yes it is very turbulent indeed. (And no I'm not trying to start a big debate)Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
"Grace as given to all who take it, because of God's love."
hmmm yeah I think I agree with that. That sentence could be reworded to "Grace is God's love given to all who take it."
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Footnote.
They are separate to this degree: God's love saves nobody, but only by His grace is anyone saved. Because He IS love, He offers grace... But God is not GRACE. He is holy, He is love, He is eternal, He is just. Other things that we see of God are temporal in nature. He is angry because of sin, He is gracious because of Christ's sacrifice, He in vengeful because of wickedness, etc.
Have I complicated the question enough yet?
They are separate to this degree: God's love saves nobody, but only by His grace is anyone saved. Because He IS love, He offers grace... But God is not GRACE. He is holy, He is love, He is eternal, He is just. Other things that we see of God are temporal in nature. He is angry because of sin, He is gracious because of Christ's sacrifice, He in vengeful because of wickedness, etc.
Have I complicated the question enough yet?
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There is nothing complicated about that.. but give it time we can muddy the water easily enough
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Good Day, BTBT said:
Great question, do not know if I will do this any justice. Grace is some sence of the is a result of God's love in so much that it is by his grace that all men live and breath and have their being.
I will sumbit that there is varing types of grace, thus the results of that grace may be different in effect to each indivual. In the days of Noah all men who where alive had some form of grace, But Noah's grace was differnet in the effect and the out come of Noah's life, he found grace in God's eyes where as others did not find in God's eyes the same type of Grace.
Peace to u,
Bill
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