On absolute truth and its source, the Creator: the cyclic definition and proof

dmmesdale · Jun 20, 2017

AlicePar said:
As is the faith used by every religious person on the planet with each one just as right as every other believer, religious faith causes blindness in every one who uses it.

Don't know why you feel compelled to assess why people go to the church of belong to a particular denomination. Going has many positive aspects. I met a young married couple with their first baby, for example. Probably around 20 yrs old? It was a delight. Meet people typically would not come together and sometimes join in group discussions. Friendships are formed.

Your assessment is once again hostile, indeed not fact based. People get together as a community for different reasons, and the activity is healthy. It is not good to withdraw. People help each other out, share meals, it is all part of living.

The natural outcome to atheism is nihilism since life has no objective purpose under that paradigm and any meaning assigned is subjective fiction. We all intuitively know there is a purpose to life unless you wish to argue on the benefits of nihilism. It is your life to waste. The overall tone of your posts are negative or even hostile and that is no way to go thru life. As they say, the resenter swallows his own poison and waits for the other person to die.

AlicePar · Jun 20, 2017

As is the faith used by every religious person on the planet with each one just as right as every other believer, religious faith causes blindness in every one who uses it.

dmmesdale said:
Your assessment is once again hostile, indeed not fact based. People get together as a community for different reasons, and the activity is healthy. It is not good to withdraw. People help each other out, share meals, it is all part of living.

How is what I wrote hostile? if it's not fact based perhaps you could explain to me how many different types of faith there are? where in my reply did I mention people getting together as a community and helping each other?

AV1611VET · Jun 20, 2017

AlicePar said:
As is the faith used by every religious person on the planet with each one just as right as every other believer,

Would you please explain what you mean by this, in light of the fact that we can't all be right.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jun 20, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Would you please explain what you mean by this, in light of the fact that we can't all be right.

I think (from whatever I remember from your previous posts)
that you know the LIGHT,
walk in the LIGHT, and LOVE THE LIGHT ! (at least that is the completely expectant hope to be proven out as YHWH permits, when Yeshua returns)...

Likewise, "in light of the fact" is not light(is not understood) at all for most of all the world's population, which all dwells in continual darkness, (and most all continually reject the LIGHT, as written) ,
according to the LIGHT. (YHWH'S WORD).

AV1611VET · Jun 20, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Likewise, "in light of the fact" is not light(is not understood) at all for most of all the world's population ...

I think it's a Yankee expression.

It means, "in view of the fact," or "because of the fact."

yeshuaslavejeff · Jun 20, 2017

AV1611VET said:
I think it's a Yankee expression.

It means, "in view of the fact," or "because of the fact."

No worries concerning your post or meaning.
Just a great contrast between what unbelievers can ever see or know,
and what believers get to see and know.

AlicePar · Jun 20, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Would you please explain what you mean by this, in light of the fact that we can't all be right.

Yes of course, they can't all be right but they can all be wrong so faith is obviously not a pathway to truth.

If there are a 1000 religions how do we pick the right one? do we ask a believer from each one of them? if we did that then I'm sure all 1000 religions would be right, if we asked them all about the other religions I'm sure they would say all the others are wrong.
Surely it would be best for everyone if we all waited until one of them was shown to be right and believed that one, of all the Gods throughout the history of man how many of them have been shown to actually exist.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jun 20, 2017

AlicePar said:
Yes of course, they can't all be right but they can all be wrong so faith is obviously not a pathway to truth.

If there are a 1000 religions how do we pick the right one? do we ask a believer from each one of them? if we did that then I'm sure all 1000 religions would be right, if we asked them all about the other religions I'm sure they would say all the others are wrong.
Surely it would be best for everyone if we all waited until one of them was shown to be right and believed that one, of all the Gods throughout the history of man how many of them have been shown to actually exist.

Everyone you have known all of your life can be wrong.

If you seek God's Kingdom, and keep seeking,
if you ask God for help, and keep asking (especially for His Revelation of WHO HE IS, through JESUS),
then HE HIMSELF will answer you,
usually through
the few people HE HAS SET APART FOR HIMSELF,
those who ARE RIGHT, while all the others are wrong,
and
then you can have newness of life, refreshment of your soul, forgiveness of your sins,
atonement by the BLOOD OF JESUS,
and eternal life in HIM.
THEN you also will be "right", instead of wrong with everyone else you know.

AlicePar · Jun 20, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Everyone you have known all of your life can be wrong.

If you seek God's Kingdom, and keep seeking,
if you ask God for help, and keep asking (especially for His Revelation of WHO HE IS, through JESUS),
then HE HIMSELF will answer you,
usually through
the few people HE HAS SET APART FOR HIMSELF,
those who ARE RIGHT, while all the others are wrong,
and
then you can have newness of life, refreshment of your soul, forgiveness of your sins,
atonement by the BLOOD OF JESUS,
and eternal life in HIM.
THEN you also will be "right", instead of wrong with everyone else you know.

You claim to know and have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe,
I can't see it myslf, I think you're just imagining it.

AV1611VET · Jun 20, 2017

AlicePar said:
You claim to know and have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe,
I can't see it myslf, I think you're just imagining it.

Makes me wonder why you came back, if not just to tells us what you've been telling us for years: that we're imagining things.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jun 20, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Makes me wonder why you came back, if not just to tells us what you've been telling us for years: that we're imagining things.

COOL THOUGH !
Living as the Creator of the Universe says to live,
Being made alive in Christ Jesus as the Creator of the Universe says,
Being blessed always, every day, in Christ Jesus, as the Creator of the Universe PLANNED, PURPOSED, and ACCOMPLISHES in Christ Jesus the Savior of mankind, the King of the Jews, the Eternal Name above all names !!!!!

Even if that were imagining , as it works out daily in our lives every day, it is so WONDERFUL.....

AV1611VET · Jun 20, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Even if that were imagining , as it works out daily in our lives every day, it is so WONDERFUL.....

Amen and Amen!

joinfree · Jun 20, 2017

AlicePar said:
......
If there are a 1000 religions how do we pick the right one? .....

Because there are different type of crimes, you assume, what any chosen human is criminal. Correct?

AlicePar · Jun 21, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Makes me wonder why you came back, if not just to tells us what you've been telling us for years: that we're imagining things.

Confused..... Obviously it's not just me telling you you're imagining it all everyone must be telling you, why don't you try getting out of your comfort zone and see what happens? ask an atheist how they think they will cope with death or call 'The Atheist Experience TV Show' and tell them why they are wrong.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jun 21, 2017

All the Christians already know why all the atheists are wrong.
Nothing new there.

joinfree · Jun 21, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
All the Christians already know why all the atheists are wrong.
Nothing new there.

No words are too strong to save a soul. The false atheists are our brothers and sisters through the creation on humankind: Adam and Eve.
The false atheists are the source of doubt in the theists' mind. Every time a theist calls the opposer "atheist", he accepts, that the false atheism is the real position. The false atheism however is not real: it is false. The "False A-theism" is the idol of the Paganism. The Christian repeats the same word over and over again: "atheist". It is poisoning his mind. The solution: let us call the atheism the false one: the false atheist and the false atheism.

joinfree · Jun 21, 2017

AlicePar said:
You claim to know and have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe,
I can't see it myslf, I think you're just imagining it.

Listen to your heart, where is your conscience? The latter is the voice of God.
But the false atheist is "playing" against the God:

yeshuaslavejeff · Jun 21, 2017

joinfree said:
The false atheists are the source of doubt in the theists' minds. Every time a theist calls the opposer "atheist", he assumes his position: "a-theism" is the idol of the Paganism. The Christian repeats the same word over and over again: "atheist". It is poisoning his mind. The solution: let us call the atheism the false one: the false atheist and the false atheism.

I think that's 'over-thunk'....

joinfree · Jun 21, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
I think that's 'over-thunk'....

Thank you, no words are too strong to save a soul. The false atheists are our brothers and sisters through the creation on humankind: Adam and Eve. So, please reread mine comment I have edited it over.

AlicePar · Jun 21, 2017

joinfree said:
No words are too strong to save a soul. The false atheists are our brothers and sisters through the creation on humankind: Adam and Eve.
The false atheists are the source of doubt in the theists' mind. Every time a theist calls the opposer "atheist", he accepts, that the false atheism is the real position. The false atheism however is not real: it is false. The "False A-theism" is the idol of the Paganism. The Christian repeats the same word over and over again: "atheist". It is poisoning his mind. The solution: let us call the atheism the false one: the false atheist and the false atheism.

Atheism is the default position if it wasn't then we would all believe everything we were ever told.
Before you answer please think about it.

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