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Daniel 8 contains many of the same elements from Daniel 7.

Daniel 8 little horn
Daniel 7 little horn

Who do you say is the little horn of Daniel 7 ?

You did not respond to the rest of my post, which proves that the vision of the little horn's transgression of desolation is time of the end when all of the unfulfilled prophecies in Daniel will be completed.

The little horn person will be interactive with the fulfillment of all the unfulfilled prophecies in Daniel.

the little horn > becomes the prince who shall come > becomes the Antichrist > becomes the revealed man of sin > becomes the beast of Revelation.

Douggg, it’s very apparent you trying to drive our conversation away from the grammatical antecedent argument.

First, provide an antecedent from chapter 8 that fits with the gender and number of “their” from daniel 8:23, then we can move on. If you can’t, then your argument is void, and there’s no point to continuing the conversation.
 
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Douggg, it’s very apparent you trying to drive our conversation away from the grammatical antecedent argument.

First, provide an antecedent from chapter 8 that fits with the gender and number of “their” from daniel 8:23, then we can move on. If you can’t, then your argument is void, and there’s no point to continuing the conversation.
I have already shown, using other sentences as examples - which you refuse to address - that the antecedent of "their" can be in the same sentence. The transgressors are the "their" of their kingdom in Daniel 8:23. The kingdom is the kingdom of the transgressors and the little horn person. That kingdom is defined in Daniel 7.

You seem to be so afraid to say who you think the little horn person is in Daniel 7 because you know that it conflicts with your claim that the little horn of Daniel 8 is Antiochus. You also fail to see any connections between Gabriel appearing in Daniel 8 and also in Daniel 9.

The little horn person will be interactive with the fulfillment of all the unfulfilled prophecies in Daniel.

the little horn > becomes the prince who shall come > becomes the Antichrist > becomes the revealed man of sin > becomes the beast of Revelation.

The beast person of Revelation will be the little horn in the final stages of his time.


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The transgressors are the "their" of their kingdom in Daniel 8:23.

And it’s already been demonstrated that this is false because “transgressors” does not follow the grammatical gender rules of Hebrew or Greek. Transgressors does not match the gender of “their”, thus we know transgressors is not the antecedent.

So you’ll have to come up with a different antecedent, that matches the number and gender of “their”.


You seem to be so afraid to say who you think the little horn person is in Daniel 7 because you know that it conflicts with your claim that the little horn of Daniel 8 is Antiochus. You also fail to see any connections between Gabriel appearing in Daniel 8 and also in Daniel 9.

No, just not really interested in addressing your red herring.

If you can provide and antecedent that matches the gender and number of “their” then we can move forward. Until then your entire argument falls apart.
 
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Doug, from post #61 you said this …
7 months into the 7years, i.e. 2300 days before Jesus returns - Daniel 8:14 - the animal sacrifices start again.
3 years (thereabouts) into the 7 years, in the middle part of the 7 years, the person stops the daily sacrifice, Daniel 8:12, by reason of transgression (the ToD).

The last phrase in Daniel 8:14 is “then shall the sanctuary be cleansed”. The word cleansed is <6663> which means to be just or righteous.

Is it your view that when the animal sacrifices start up again the sanctuary will be righteous, daily sacrifices are stopped by reason of TOD, then after that the sanctuary is cleansed and will once again be just and righteous?
 
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I have already shown, using other sentences as examples - which you refuse to address - that the antecedent of "their" can be in the same sentence. The transgressors are the "their" of their kingdom in Daniel 8:23. The kingdom is the kingdom of the transgressors and the little horn person. That kingdom is defined in Daniel 7.

You seem to be so afraid to say who you think the little horn person is in Daniel 7 because you know that it conflicts with your claim that the little horn of Daniel 8 is Antiochus. You also fail to see any connections between Gabriel appearing in Daniel 8 and also in Daniel 9.

The little horn person will be interactive with the fulfillment of all the unfulfilled prophecies in Daniel.

the little horn > becomes the prince who shall come > becomes the Antichrist > becomes the revealed man of sin > becomes the beast of Revelation.

The beast person of Revelation will be the little horn in the final stages of his time.


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Daniel 11 is relevant as well. For example.

Daniel 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away , and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

No interpreter that is being consistent is then going to take the above meaning one person while taking the following to be meaning someone else altogether. Clearly, they are referring to the same person, the fact this verse tells us that this little horn person in Daniel 8 is meaning the same person per the following.

Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.


and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away---And arms shall stand on his part---and shall take away the daily sacrifice

and the place of his sanctuary was cast down---and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength


Unless I'm mistaken, you argue that the little horn in Daniel 8 is not A4E, while arguing in Daniel 11 that the one meant in verse 31---his---this is meaning A4E. If so, that's hardly an example of interpreting things in a consistent manner. Obviously, whoever one insists is meaning the little horn in Daniel 8 has to also be meaning the vile person in Daniel 11 since it is the vile person in Daniel 11:21 that is meant in Daniel 11:31. And that Daniel 8:11 tells us it is by that person the daily sacrifice was taken away.

As to Daniel 8:22-23, why not allow Daniel 7 to help us interpret which kingdom is meant in verse 23?

Daniel 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms(or maybe should be translated as kings instead---thus Daniel 7:17) shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom(Daniel 7:19-21, Daniel 7:23-25), when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.


IOW, since the little horn comes up among the head with the 10 horns, the kingdom meant in Daniel 8:23 is meaning the 4th kingdom(Daniel 7:23).
 
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Doug, from post #61 you said this …




Is it your view that when the animal sacrifices start up again the sanctuary will be righteous, daily sacrifices are stopped by reason of TOD, then after that the sanctuary is cleansed and will once again be just and righteous?
This is why, if these events are pertaining to the end of this age, and I realize you likely don't think they do, except you could be wrong though, one cannot take these things in a literal sense, since we end up with nothing but nonsense, such as you are demonstrating here via your questions.
 
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Daniel 11 is relevant as well. For example.

Daniel 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away , and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

No interpreter that is being consistent is then going to take the above meaning one person while taking the following to be meaning someone else altogether. Clearly, they are referring to the same person, the fact this verse tells us that this little horn person in Daniel 8 is meaning the same person per the following.

Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.


and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away---And arms shall stand on his part---and shall take away the daily sacrifice

and the place of his sanctuary was cast down---and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength


Unless I'm mistaken, you argue that the little horn in Daniel 8 is not A4E, while arguing in Daniel 11 that the one meant in verse 31---his---this is meaning A4E. If so, that's hardly an example of interpreting things in a consistent manner. Obviously, whoever one insists is meaning the little horn in Daniel 8 has to also be meaning the vile person in Daniel 11 since it is the vile person in Daniel 11:21 that is meant in Daniel 11:31. And that Daniel 8:11 tells us it is by that person the daily sacrifice was taken away.

As to Daniel 8:22-23, why not allow Daniel 7 to help us interpret which kingdom is meant in verse 23?

Daniel 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms(or maybe should be translated as kings instead---thus Daniel 7:17) shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom(Daniel 7:19-21, Daniel 7:23-25), when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.


IOW, since the little horn comes up among the head with the 10 horns, the kingdom meant in Daniel 8:23 is meaning the 4th kingdom(Daniel 7:23).

If the insolent horn of Daniel 8 is the same as the little horn of Daniel 7, I can’t figure the math on how many horns it takes for this little horn/insolent king to arise. 10, 3 , 4…..
 
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The last phrase in Daniel 8:14 is “then shall the sanctuary be cleansed”. The word cleansed is <6663> which means to be just or righteous.

Is it your view that when the animal sacrifices start up again the sanctuary will be righteous, daily sacrifices are stopped by reason of TOD, then after that the sanctuary is cleansed and will once again be just and righteous?
The temple will be rebuilt by the Jews with the intention to worship the One True God.

After about 3 years, the Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation - making the temple desolate from the worship of the One True God. It continues downhill from there with the Abomination of Desolation statue image setup on the temple mount. And it continues to worsen, as when Satan is cast down to earth, he incarnates the statue making it appear to come to life - and demand everyone worship the statue image or die.

When Jesus returns, He will remove all the things that have made the temple desolate - namely, the beast person, and false prophet, the statue image (turned to ashes) Ezekiel 28:18, and Satan.
 
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If the insolent horn of Daniel 8 is the same as the little horn of Daniel 7, I can’t figure the math on how many horns it takes for this little horn/insolent king to arise. 10, 3 , 4…..
Ten. Daniel 7:7-8. The same ten who will hand their kingdom (the EU) over to beast (the little horn person) for him to be dictator of it. Revelation 17:17.
 
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Unless I'm mistaken, you argue that the little horn in Daniel 8 is not A4E, while arguing in Daniel 11 that the one meant in verse 31---his---this is meaning A4E. If so, that's hardly an example of interpreting things in a consistent manner.
The little horn in Daniel 8 is time of the end. Antiochus is in Daniel 11:31, but that is before the time of the end.

Transition to the time of the end after a broad period time is in verse 35.

The time of the end verses in Daniel 11 pick up in verse 36, with the willful king, who claims to be above every god. It is talking about the little horn after he has become the beast of Revelation. Daniel 12 is a continuation of Daniel 11, and in Daniel 12:11 says it's activities are time of the end
 
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Ten. Daniel 7:7-8. The same ten who will hand their kingdom (the EU) over to beast (the little horn person) for him to be dictator of it. Revelation 17:17.

Cool….. but can you provide and actual antecedent in Daniel chapter 8 that matches number and gender of vs 23’s pronoun “their”?…….still waiting on that.
 
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Cool….. but can you provide and actual antecedent in Daniel chapter 8 that matches number and gender of vs 23’s pronoun “their”?…….still waiting on that.
their is plural and transgressors are plural in the king james version. And there are NO grammar books written in Daniel's time regarding whatever language Daniel wrote in.
 
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The temple will be rebuilt by the Jews with the intention to worship the One True God.

After about 3 years, the Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation - making the temple desolate from the worship of the One True God. It continues downhill from there with the Abomination of Desolation statue image setup on the temple mount. And it continues to worsen, as when Satan is cast down to earth, he incarnates the statue making it appear to come to life - and demand everyone worship the statue image or die.

When Jesus returns, He will remove all the things that have made the temple desolate - namely, the beast person, and false prophet, the statue image (turned to ashes) Ezekiel 28:18, and Satan.
The difficulty I have with this interpretation is that it has to have physical sacrifices being made in a holy,righteous sanctuary prior to the sacrifices being stopped by Antichrist.

I’m not sure but if someone promoted the offering of sacrifices as a current and legitimate form of worship or sacrament, I think they would be banned from this site and excommunicated from most all Christian denominations.

I completely understand how a holy and righteous sanctuary made sacrifices prior to AE4, then after the TOD was able to resume sacrifices and be holy and righteous once again. How is it possible that a future sanctuary, prior to the millennium, can be holy and righteous while offering sacrifices?
 
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Ten. Daniel 7:7-8. The same ten who will hand their kingdom (the EU) over to beast (the little horn person) for him to be dictator of it. Revelation 17:17.

Sorry, wrong interpretation.

Dan 7:7-8
(7) After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
(8) I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The beast is the body of antichrist. Not one man as most supposed. Let with Scripture:

1st John 2:18
  • "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."
Yes, Satan is the personification of the Antichrist. And yet, there are many Antichrists? How can that be? It is because those who have the spirit of Antichrist, are called "Antichrist." Don't forget that Satan is that spirit Antichrist, of substitute Christ, of pseudo-christ. There have always been many Antichrists, because the spirit of Satan has ruled over many in the Lord's congregation. John, under the inspiration of God, told us this (1st John 2:18) very clearly. Satan is the only one who qualifies, not the institution of Roman Catholicism, a product of the European Union, etc. Antichrist was already here, but was bound, and restrained until he is loosed.

1st John 4:3

  • "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
For example, Satan works through men. The Man of sin is here and there and all over, just as his opposite the man of righteousness (Christian) is. One is a man of lawfulness, the other a man of lawlessness. It doesn't mean one single man of sin will rule all churches any more than one man of God ruled all churches. It shows that just as the man of righteousness rules by the Spirit of God, so the man of sin (lawlessness) rules by the spirit of Satan. Selah! It is my sincere view that YOU have to STOP looking for the Boogeyman, and start seeing what is right there before our eyes. The collective fall, just as Israel fell. No one saw one man ruling in Israel who caused that Old Testament congregation to fall. It indeed fell by Satan, but through the (collective) man of sin who had forsaken the way.

2nd Timothy 3:17
  • "That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."
No Christian would think that the language "The man of God" or [anthropos theos] being perfect, would have to refer to "one man", but because of indoctrination they conclude "The man of sin" [anthropos hamartia] being revealed, must refer to one man. Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!!! The man of sin being revealed "IS" God taking the restraint off Satan (2nd Thess 2:7-8) or God loosing Satan that the wickedness of man sin is revealed, every one of them! Not just one man.

Now, the ten horns... well, I have warned you before that the horns in Scripture POWER. Not ten human men or countries. The number ten in Scirpture signifies fullness of whatever is in view. So this beast will have ten horns - fullness of power at that time when little horn rises...

Thus little horn again represents power, but not long, only for a little season. And the man of sin is the man of lawlessness through whom Satan rules. So while they are intimately connected in that the Antichrist spirit Satan is given that power to rule over the unsealed people of the New Testament congregation for a short season. They are not literally the same picture. The little horn is illustrating Satan's power to rule a little season, and the man of sin or lawlessness is illustrating through whom he rules. It will be through sinful Man (or the man of sin).

Daniel 7:8
  • "I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things."

In this particular little horn, God references the eyes (Luke 11:34) of man in this power because the power of Satan to rule will come by man speaking great things that deceive many. This is the false prophet that comes with false teachings against God's people. Where is the inconsistency? The man of sin is not your favorite man, O' King of Israel, in Europe or any man in particular, but the man of lawlessness or sin in general. Lawlessness and sin are the same. Even as David also described the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputed righteousness without works (Romans 4:6), so the man of unrighteousness is the man accursed. As the Apostle Paul was a man of Righteousness with the Spirit of God in him, while Judas was the Man of Sin (unrighteousness) with the spirit of Antichrist in him. One the son of the free woman and one the son of the bond woman. One the son inheriting the land of promise and one the son inheriting perdition or desolation. One of Christ and one of Antichrist.

2nd Thessalonians 2:3
  • "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
The sinful man is revealed in the falling away or "apostasy" in the Church. This great forsaking of God in the New Testament Holy Temple (church) is where the Antichrist sits to rule for a little season. So yes, I forcefully contended that Daniel’s little horn is the little power that Satan has to rule near the end of time, and he rules through the man of sin or lawlessness. It is through his spirit the apostasy or forsaking comes. And the Antichrist is "ANYONE" who has the spirit of Antichrist. And there are many Antichrists, not just one. If we go looking for one man or one Church system to fulfill the qualification, we are looking in the wrong place, Douggg!! ;)
 
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The difficulty I have with this interpretation is that it has to have physical sacrifices being made in a holy,righteous sanctuary prior to the sacrifices being stopped by Antichrist.

I’m not sure but if someone promoted the offering of sacrifices as a current and legitimate form of worship or sacrament, I think they would be banned from this site and excommunicated from most all Christian denominations.
Well, it will not be Christians doing animal sacrifices for sure. The ones who will be doing it will be Jews (Judaism) in Israel, who will also rebuild a temple on the temple mount.

I completely understand how a holy and righteous sanctuary made sacrifices prior to AE4, then after the TOD was able to resume sacrifices and be holy and righteous once again. How is it possible that a future sanctuary, prior to the millennium, can be holy and righteous while offering sacrifices?
The transgression of desolation regarding the little horn person has not taken place yet. It is a near future event that Paul described in 2 Thessalonians2.4.

The desolation is in regards to stopping the worship and praise of the One True God. The sacrifices themselves as we know are no longer needed because Jesus's death on the cross became the perfect sacrifice for atonement for sin. Sadly, the Jews (Judaism) don't yet believe in Jesus and they are the ones who will be doing the animal sacrifices.
 
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their is plural and transgressors are plural in the king james version. And there are NO grammar books written in Daniel's time regarding whatever language Daniel wrote in.

In other words, you don’t know how Hebrew nor Greek work….good to know.
 
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The temple will be rebuilt by the Jews with the intention to worship the One True God.

Wrongo. The temple was already rebuilt by Christ at the Cross. Didn't you read the Scripture?

Joh 2:19-21
(19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
(20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
(21) But he spake of the temple of his body.

Mat 21:42-43

(42) Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The temple of Christ's body represents the congregation of Israel, first the Old Testament Jews and then the New Testament Gentiles, the church. The Old Testament congregation (The Jewish builders) fell along with Christ since they are the ones who rejected Messiah the Prince and did destroy the temple (Christ), and in three days, Christ rebuilt it and it is now a temple where the head of the corner stone now since the Cross.

The Church is the New Testament Temple where the stones (believers) are built together. Again, didn't you read the Scripture?
Eph 2:19-22
(19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
(20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
(21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
(22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

See, , this is a temple where Jesus Christ himself is the chief corner stone just as Matthew 21:42-43 said!
So your fantasy of a future physical temple being rebuilt in the Middle East to fit your indoctrination is NOT what God was prophesied about. This Scripture above already refuted your position. That is biblical facts!
After about 3 years, the Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation - making the temple desolate from the worship of the One True God.

Huh? It is not a physical temple! It is the New Testament congregation, the church, where the antichrist will sit (rule) in. It is the holy temple on this side of the Cross just as Scripture stated above! Read Scripture again.
It continues downhill from there with the Abomination of Desolation statue image setup on the temple mount.

The abomination of desolation is a physical statue. Sigh... No...

Mat 24:15
(15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

Please note why Jesus said, "whoso readeth, LET HIM UNDERSTAND." Why do you think Christ said this? Could it be because He knows that it is difficult to understand and the unfaithful will view it as too complicated? Indeed, God is encouraging the faithful "who read" to understand that it is NOT that simple! That is the whole "POINT" of that extra encouragement of "whoso readeth, let him understand" what abomination of desolation and the holy place really is! It is not physical temple as MOST thought. It take more to read and only can be understand by the Spirit of Christ.
The prophecy of Matthew 24 is of a Great end time apostasy, a great falling away of the New Testament Congregation, the church, brought about by a spiritual army, which is worldwide and deadly. It speaks of a falling away and apostasy in God's house on the scale of Israel's fall. So yes, it is true, it is distinctive, but it is not exclusive. Judea represents the new testament congregaiton where Christians need to flee from unfaithful congregaiton when they "see" the abomination of desolation:

So exactly what is abomination of desolation?
Personally, I don't think that there has ever been a time when the Church (as a whole) was in worse straits than it is in our time. The decadence and decline in our Churches today is (as far as I'm concerned), unprecedented. There are things happening in our day on a massive scale across nations that have never happened before in the Church. Because there are so many more Churches all over the world, and yet with so great a number there are so "few" that are even remotely biblical. Thus the degradation and spread of confusion are multiplied. So much so that even unsaved people recognize the immorality and hypocrisy of the Church. And it is for this reason God released Satan, to bring the nations of the world against His congregation. As Biblical history has shown before, it is because His congregation has removed His righteous judgments, and replaced them with their own beliefs and preferences. Just like Old Israel did.

Ezekiel 5:5-9
  • "Thus saith the Lord GOD; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her.
  • And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.
  • Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye multiplied more than the nations that are round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my judgments, neither have done according to the judgments of the nations that are round about you;
  • Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.
  • And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all thine abominations."
Likewise, because of the abominations in the congregation today, God will execute judgments on it in the midst of the nations. And as Israel didn't "recognize" her sins against God, neither do the Churches today! So it shouldn't be a surprise that most people will not see the signs of the great apostasy. God intervenes and sends strong delusion that they BELIEVE A LIE (2nd Thessalonians 2:11). For example, they believe their doctrines of devils are perfectly biblical, and their Church is still a Church of God, even though they serve the man of sin seated there. As in Christ's first advent, "Who would believe the Report?"

The problem is that the Church has deteriorated so far today, that people's perspectives of a good Church are skewed. They now judge faithfulness by where their Church stands, compared to other Churches, rather than by where it should be. Things like allowing even casual divorce are "rampant" in almost all Churches, with no sign of revival. This liberal view of divorce would have been "almost" unheard of in a Church forty years ago. Even an unfaithful one! Yet today, this is considered a "small thing" and nothing to get all twisted in a bind over. That's how far the Church has fallen. There is tacit support in the Churches for tolerating homosexual/transgender behavior, which would generally have been unheard of just a few short years ago. The Church has been slowly acclimated to the view that making judgments against this lifestyle (sin) is somehow unchristian (if you can believe that). There is little understanding that God is a God of judgment, and not a God that loves the wicked. That those who do evil are not loved in the sight of the Lord.

Malachi 2:17
  • "Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?"
Like never before, the Church has changed in that there is no "real" love for the God of judgment.

The Church compromising with works-based gospels or doctrines is widespread, even in "many" so-called reformed Churches. The false gospel of Dispensationalism is the dominant Church teaching by a wide margin. The Church has never been so devastated by this worldwide confusion about Christ's Kingdom. And in doctrine after doctrine, this is the case.

1st Timothy 4:1
  • "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"
What are seducing spirits, and doctrines of Devils? It is the spirit of antichrist, the spirit of disobedience (Ephesians 2:2), and doctrines that are adversarial to God's righteous laws.


And it continues to worsen, as when Satan is cast down to earth, he incarnates the statue making it appear to come to life - and demand everyone worship the statue image or die.

Huh? Satan comes down from heaven to get into a physical statue and start speaking? And all people on earth will be shot to death if they do not worship the statue? Sigh...

It's so ridiculous that I will not discuss this tonight.
 
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The desolation is in regards to stopping the worship and praise of the One True God.
In Daniel 8:11 the place of his sanctuary was cast down (your interpretation cast down by Antichrist). In 2 Thessalonians 2:4 he as God sitteth in the temple of God (your interpretation Antichrist sits in the temple of God).

On the one hand the Jews are going to start sacrificing which is clearly not a holy/righteous act. On the other hand Antichrist is going to sit in this temple which is the temple <3485>, naos of God.

Doesn’t this force an interpretation of animal sacrifices being a form of worshipping the one true God?
 
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In Daniel 8:11 the place of his sanctuary was cast down (your interpretation cast down by Antichrist). In 2 Thessalonians 2:4 he as God sitteth in the temple of God (your interpretation Antichrist sits in the temple of God).

On the one hand the Jews are going to start sacrificing which is clearly not a holy/righteous act. On the other hand Antichrist is going to sit in this temple which is the temple <3485>, naos of God.

Doesn’t this force an interpretation of animal sacrifices being a form of worshipping the one true God?
Of course the offering of animal sacrifices that the Jews will perform in accordance with the Mt. Sinai covenant will be their act of worship of the One True God.

It does not change that Jesus is the only acceptable sacrifice that atones for sins, that washes away all sins of a person. No-one was ever made perfectly righteous by the animal sacrifices. Jesus's perfect righteousness is imputed unto us by our believing and trusting in Him and His sacrifice on the cross.

The Jews will turn to Jesus in the middle part of the 7 years, in Revelation 12:10.
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Daniel 8:25 the little horn "shall magnify himself in his heart"
Ezekiel 28:2 Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God
2Thessalonians2:4 so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (revealing himself to be the man of sin)

the little horn > becomes the prince who shall come > becomes the Antichrist > becomes the revealed man of sin > becomes the beast of Revelation
 
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