Olivet Discourse Chart

[Douggg]

 

[Douggg]

Please consider that when the apostles commented as them living "in these last days" they were seeing the events leading up to the temple destroyed, and the Jews lead away as captives. It is not meaning latter days and latter years (like in Ezekiel 38), end times. They were seeing the last days of Israel in the land, for what Israel would soon be in exile for a long, long time.

On the chart, please take note of the status of Israel in those three main divisions, breaking up the last 2000 years to where Israel has been.

 

[Davy]

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That chart is inaccurate.

The not one stone atop another event is for the LAST DAY of this present world, not 70 A.D. when the Roman army destroyed Jerusalem. There's still huge stones of the old Western Wall, a part of Herod's expansion of the 2nd temple complex, standing in Jerusalem today at the temple mount. Not only that, but the stones of the Dome of the Rock are right on the temple mount too. That means look for a future fulfillment of the not one stone atop another. That future event when Jesus returns is when it will take place, as there will be a great earthquake there.

Jesus gave the time of great tribulation linked with the "abomination of desolation" event from the Book of Daniel 11:31. It's about the placing of an idol abomination inside the temple at Jerusalem. The Romans did no such thing in 70 A.D. The 2nd temple burned down before they could get control of it. This means look for a future fulfillment of that "abomination of desolation" event.

Per Mark 13, The Gospel being preached to all nations just prior to the 'end' is given within a warning to Christ's elect being delivered up to give a Testimony for Christ by The Holy Spirit. So it is not simply about The Gospel having been traditionally preached throughout Christian history. It's about an event set for the very end when some of Christ's elect will be delivered up to give a Witness against the beast, just like Mark 13 shows. So it's ignorance to pull that sole verse out by itself while disregarding the time and type of Witness those are to give at the end for the tribulation. This matter was also covered at the end of Joel 2 regarding the cloven tongue, which Peter also covered on Pentecost, quoting from Joel 2. The end of Joel 2 is about the 'tribulation' timing leading up to the day of the Lord when Jesus returns.

The latter portions of Christ's Olivet discourse are about the coming of a specific pseudo-Christ to work great signs and wonders from Jerusalem to deceive the whole world, except Christ's very elect. Jesus then gives the sign of His 2nd coming and gathering of His Church.

The parable of a fig tree is about the Jeremiah 24 prophecy of Israel becoming a nation again in the land, which happened by U.N. Charter vote in 1948. That is a PRIOR to the tribulation event. That event was necessary because the future "abomination of desolation" event for the tribulation requires a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem.

 

[Douggg]

That chart is inaccurate.

The chart is accurate. The Olivet discourse can be broken down into three periods. Israel under occupancy. Israel in exile. Israel a sovereign nation again, and in the land of Israel.
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Make your own chart for the Olivet discourse. And when done, create a new thread for it. Then you will see your comments about stones of the Western Wall can not fit.

 

[Douggg]

Jesus gave the time of great tribulation linked with the "abomination of desolation" event from the Book of Daniel 11:31. It's about the placing of an idol abomination inside the temple at Jerusalem. The Romans did no such thing in 70 A.D. The 2nd temple burned down before they could get control of it. This means look for a future fulfillment of that "abomination of desolation" event.

The chart shows the abomination of desolation verses in the latter days, latter years, end times.

The abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12 is end times.
The abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31 was by Antiochus IV prefiguring the end times event. Nothing to do with the Romans.

Israel was a nation under occupancy by the Romans up to 70 AD when the temple was destroyed. And the Jews were forced into the nations, Israel in exile.

 

[Davy]

The chart is accurate. The Olivet discourse can be broken down into three periods. Israel under occupancy. Israel in exile. Israel a sovereign nation again, and in the land of Israel.
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Make your own chart for the Olivet discourse. And when done, create a new thread for it. Then you will see your comments about stones of the Western Wall can not fit.

Nope. Christ's Olivet Discourse parallels the Seals in Revelation 6. And that because He was giving His faithful the main 7 Signs to be watching of the very end of this world leading up to His return.

 

[Davy]

The chart shows the abomination of desolation verses in the latter days, latter years, end times.

The abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12 is end times.
The abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31 was by Antiochus IV prefiguring the end times event. Nothing to do with the Romans.

Israel was a nation under occupancy by the Romans up to 70 AD when the temple was destroyed. And the Jews were forced into the nations, Israel in exile.

The Daniel 11 Scripture about the "vile person" is about the final Antichrist at the end. Antiochus IV did not fulfill all those things in Daniel 11. The "abomination of desolation" event is covered in Daniel 8, Daniel 9, Daniel 11, and Daniel 12. That event is specifically defined in Daniel 9 and Daniel 11. And Jesus' direct quote about the "abomination of desolation" came from that Daniel 11:31 verse.

The final Sign Jesus gave in His Olivet Discourse is that of His future 2nd coming and gathering of His faithful saints. Those pushing the lie that that was all history are pushing false prophecy and are following another spirit not of God.

 

[Douggg]

Nope. Christ's Olivet Discourse parallels the Seals in Revelation 6. And that because He was giving His faithful the main 7 Signs to be watching of the very end of this world leading up to His return.

The chart shows where in the past 2000 years, the verses within the Olivet discourse apply. It is not a commentary on the timing of the seals in Revelation. Make your own chart on the Olivet Discourse in whatever form you want, and create a new thread for it, for everyone to evaluate your rationale.

On my chart, Matthew verses, packaged, left to right
Mark verses, packaged, left to right
Luke verses, packaged, left to right.

 

[Davy]

The chart shows where in the past 2000 years, the verses within the Olivet discourse apply. It is not a commentary on the timing of the seals in Revelation. Make your own chart on the Olivet Discourse in whatever form you want, and create a new thread for it, for everyone to evaluate your rationale.

On my chart, Matthew verses, packaged, left to right
Mark verses, packaged, left to right
Luke verses, packaged, left to right.

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I've already covered my Lord Jesus' Olivet Discourse on this Forum, line upon line, which is the way we are to study God's Word, not by chart making.

The REAL Harmony of Christ's Olivet Discourse

 

[Douggg]

And Jesus' direct quote about the "abomination of desolation" came from that Daniel 11:31 verse.

Copy and paste the exact words of Jesus which he referred to Daniel 11:31 vile person. Jesus did not speak about "a vile person" in Matthew 24 associated with the abomination of desolation.

The Jews in Jesus day were aware of what Antiochus did in Daniel 11:31. They were celebrating Hanukah in the gospel John 8:12, feast of dedication, re dedication of the temple after Antiochus's desecration. Daniel 11:31 is over. Done.

Matthew 24:15 is a reference to Daniel 12:11-12.

 

[Douggg]

I've already covered my Lord Jesus' Olivet Discourse on this Forum, line upon line, which is the way we are to study God's Word, not by chart making.

The REAL Harmony of Christ's Olivet Discourse

Are you looking at my chart? Make a similar chart of your own showing at what point in the past 2000 years, the verses in the Olivet Discourse go.

You don't have to give a complex multi post narrative about the end times, which forces everyone else to try and understand the rationale of the volume of material of what you wrote. A chart is like a picture. Like words can describe a car to some one who has never seen one, but a drawing of a car gives instantaneous understanding of what a car looks like.

If you don't have the technical skills to make a chart, why don't you just say so?

You could start educating yourself, use something like Corel photoshop pro from Amazon, make basic line shapes, drag them around to make some squares, and then make some text, and drag the text around where you want it.

 

[Davy]

The chart shows where in the past 2000 years, the verses within the Olivet discourse apply. It is not a commentary on the timing of the seals in Revelation. Make your own chart on the Olivet Discourse in whatever form you want, and create a new thread for it, for everyone to evaluate your rationale.

On my chart, Matthew verses, packaged, left to right
Mark verses, packaged, left to right
Luke verses, packaged, left to right.

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Not going to discuss your chart, it doesn't even come close to revealing Christ's Olivet Discourse. It's only serving a doctrine of men, and you well know that's all it's for.

 

[Davy]

Copy and paste the exact words of Jesus which he referred to Daniel 11:31 vile person. Jesus did not speak about "a vile person" in Matthew 24 associated with the abomination of desolation.

The Jews in Jesus day were aware of what Antiochus did in Daniel 11:31. They were celebrating Hanukah in the gospel John 8:12, feast of dedication, re dedication of the temple after Antiochus's desecration. Daniel 11:31 is over. Done.

Matthew 24:15 is a reference to Daniel 12:11-12.

I won't discuss vain attempts to re-write God's Holy Writ that you're trying to do with your own justification requirements. God's Word interprets God's Word, something you've not learned yet obviously.

 

[Davy]

Are you looking at my chart? Make a similar chart of your own showing at what point in the past 2000 years, the verses in the Olivet Discourse go.

You don't have to give a complex multi post narrative about the end times, which forces everyone else to try and understand the rationale of the volume of material of what you wrote. A chart is like a picture. Like words can describe a car to some one who has never seen one, but a drawing of a car gives instantaneous understanding of what a car looks like.

If you don't have the technical skills to make a chart, why don't you just say so?

You could start educating yourself, use something like Corel photoshop pro from Amazon, make basic line shapes, drag them around to make some squares, and then make some text, and drag the text around where you want it.


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Your chart is an abomination against God's Word.

 

[Douggg]

Not going to discuss your chart, it doesn't even come close to revealing Christ's Olivet Discourse. It's only serving a doctrine of men, and you well know that's all it's for.

Well, just make your own for the Olivet Discourse. And begin a new thread so everyone can evaluate it.

 

[Douggg]

I won't discuss vain attempts to re-write God's Holy Writ that you're trying to do with your own justification requirements. God's Word interprets God's Word, something you've not learned yet obviously.

Daniel 11:31 is over, done. Daniel 12:11-12 is future, and is what Jesus was referring to in Matthew 24:15.

 

[Davy]

Well, just make your own for the Olivet Discourse. And begin a new thread so everyone can evaluate it.

I don't make things up, I follow God's Word as written, something you should do too.

I already gave a lesson on Christ's Olivet Discourse, and provided a link.

 

[Douggg]

I already gave a lesson on Christ's Olivet Discourse, and provided a link.

A lesson and a chart are two different things.

 

[Davy]

Daniel 11:31 is over, done. Daniel 12:11-12 is future, and is what Jesus was referring to in Matthew 24:15.

Daniel 8:9-14
Daniel 9:27
Daniel 11:21-45
Daniel 12:11

ALL... those Scriptures are about the same event for the END of this world when the final Antichrist comes to Jerusalem and a third temple is built with old covenant worship started up again by the orthodox Jews.

That final Antichrist is the "little horn" of Dan.8, and the "vile person" of Dan.11. That description of the ending of sacrifices and setting up an idol abomination is the common theme in ALL of those Daniel examples. You CANNOT just isolate one of those examples like Dan.11 and scrap it like the false Jews have taught you to do!

 

[Davy]

A lesson and a chart are two different things.

Did Jesus draw charts?