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[Douggg]

Daniel 8:9-14
Daniel 9:27
Daniel 11:21-45
Daniel 12:11

ALL... those Scriptures are about the same event for the END of this world when the final Antichrist comes to Jerusalem and a third temple is built with old covenant worship started up again by the orthodox Jews.

That final Antichrist is the "little horn" of Dan.8, and the "vile person" of Dan.11. That description of the ending of sacrifices and setting up an idol abomination is the common theme in ALL of those Daniel examples. You CANNOT just isolate one of those examples like Dan.11 and scrap it like the false Jews have taught you to do!

Where in the bible are you reading the term "final Antichrist" ? When the person becomes the beast, and people turn away from Jesus to believe in and worship the beast, are they not antichrists?

Antichrist as referred to in 1John2:18 that them in John's day had heard is coming, is the another that the Jews will embrace, thinking that he is the Christ, i.e. the messiah the one God promised to lead the Jews and the world into the messianic age, as King of Israel descended from David.

Differently being the little horn and being the beast are different roles, albeit the same person, as the 7th and 8th Julio-Claudian King of the Roman Empire, the fourth kingdom in Daniel 2 and Daniel 7.
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Daniel 11:31, that prophecy is over, done. Hanukah was celebrated in the text of John, regarding the damage that was repaired from Antiochus's period.

 

[Davy]

Where in the bible are you reading the term "final Antichrist" ? When the person becomes the beast, and people turn away from Jesus to believe in and worship the beast, are they not antichrists?

So what, now are you going to play the singular antichrist ignorance card? Why don't you folks study your Bible as written instead of trying to trap me. If you'd get off of man's traditions and instead get into God's Word by The Holy Spirit, you wouldn't have so many silly ideas that are against Scripture.

1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
KJV

The above underlined phrase is about a SINGULAR antichrist they had already heard shall come. The "many antichrists" instead is plural. This aligns with what Apostle Paul also taught in 2 Thessalonians 2. Paul warned of a singular "man of sin" (the Antichrist) coming to sit in a temple in Jerusalem, and he also mentioned about the "mystery of iniquity" (many antichrists) already at work.

Jesus showed the same idea in Matthew 24. In Matt.24:5 He warned about 'many' that would come in His name, saying they are Christ. That's the "many antichrists" idea, and even in my generation there have been many claiming to be Christ. But Jesus didn't show any miracle working by those.

Yet in the Matt.24:23-26 Scripture, He warned of a pseudo-Messiah that shall come and work great signs and wonders that IF possible, would deceive even His very elect. That is about a SINGULAR Antichrist for the end. Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance even translated the KJV phrase "false Christs" as 'a spurious Messiah', because the context of those verses is singular, not plural.

And again, in Revelation 13:11 forward, Jesus shows through John about the singular Antichrist that is to work miracles, and wonders as that "another beast", a 2nd beast in Revelation.

Little late in the day to not have understood this from God's Word.

 

[Douggg]

1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
KJV

The above underlined phrase is about a SINGULAR antichrist they had already heard shall come. The "many antichrists" instead is plural. This aligns with what Apostle Paul also taught in 2 Thessalonians 2. Paul warned of a singular "man of sin" (the Antichrist) coming to sit in a temple in Jerusalem, and he also mentioned about the "mystery of iniquity" (many antichrists) already at work.

I asked you where you are finding the term your are using - "final" antichrist - in the bible, not whether there will be a singular antichrist.

Quit using the term "final" antichrist. It is erroneous to say "final" antichrist.

 

[Davy]

I asked you where you are finding the term your are using - "final" antichrist - in the bible, not whether there will be a singular antichrist.

Quit using the term "final" antichrist. It is erroneous to say "final" antichrist.

No, it is not erroneous to speak of a 'final' Antichrist figure.

Antiochus IV served as a 'blueprint' Antichrist, how's that?

The Antichrist, the pseudochristos (i.e., a spurious Messiah), the another Jesus, the little horn, the vile person, the man of sin, son of perdition, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit, the another beast, that old serpent, the dragon, the devil, Lucifer --- they are all... the same entity.

 

[DavidPT]

That means look for a future fulfillment of the not one stone atop another.

Ezekiel 38:19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.


None of the above has been fulfilled yet. What do you make of what I have underlined above?

 

[Davy]

Ezekiel 38:19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.


None of the above has been fulfilled yet. What do you make of what I have underlined above?

That is one of several places in God's Word that reveal the 'future' shaking of this earth that will happen on the "day of the Lord".

Joel 3:14-17
14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter His voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of His people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
17 So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, My holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.
KJV

Hag 2:6-7
6 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;
7 And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.
KJV

Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, 'Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.'
27 And this word, 'Yet once more', signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV

Rev 11:13-15
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

Rev 16:15-18
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
KJV

Rev 16:19-20
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
KJV

Zeph 3:8-9
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.
9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
KJV

 

[Douggg]

I improved my chart to annotate near term, long term, end times headings.

To use the chart, take Matthew for example, and read left to right, Matthew 24:4-13; then Matthew 24:14; then Matthew 24:15-51