Oldest rock in the world 2 days after creation (embedded age)

[truthpls]

Buddy,

We know you are mad when we see that 'buddy'

I can keep asking the same question until you knuckle down and actually answer it properly.

God made and formed and established the world, affecting how rocks were. Then the curse affected things. All in ways above the level of science to comprehend.

Here is some radioactive isotope decay math for you.

C(creation) = spiritual. And R(the way a rock is now) = spiritual plus natural

R = C+F(God forming the world such as separating land from water) + S(fall of man after sin)

R = C+F+S

Your formula is this R = N(natural only)

It being Christmas (it's actually not since I'm in the UK and it's still Christmas Eve) will not stop me from asking the same question. Your attempts to pigeon hole me in your weird, perverted view of 'natureonlydunnit'

Meditate on that word and it's implications

and your probably very small circle of who you consider Christians, is nothing more than an obvious desire to not actually engage critically and seriously with people who question you on this topic,

Your idea that allowing both the supernatural and natural is not serious shows us your chosen belief

since it's a very serious topic theologically since you claim, in no small terms, that God is a deceiver god, akin to the likes of the gods of the Norse pantheon or the Greek pantheon.

As much as you would like to pigeon hole believers into being the deceived ones for accepting what the bible says cover to cover, it will not be allowed. Rather than give up the thing that causes the deception, which is using only the natural rather than supernatural and natural, you want to insult the creator by calling Him demon names. (gods)

So I ask again: Why would God create a rock 5999 years and 363 days ago, but specifically make it look to be billions of years old for all intents and purposes?

R = C+F+S

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

We know you are mad when we see that 'buddy'

Actually I'm being condescending.

God made and formed and established the world, affecting how rocks were. Then the curse affected things. All in ways above the level of science to comprehend.

Here is some radioactive isotope decay math for you.

C(creation) = spiritual. And R(the way a rock is now) = spiritual plus natural

R = C+F(God forming the world such as separating land from water) + S(fall of man after sin)

R = C+F+S

Your formula is this R = N(natural only)

Why would God create a rock 5999 years and 363 days ago, but specifically make it look to be billions of years old for all intents and purposes?

 

[truthpls]

Actually I'm being condescending.

Better to be humble and admit that you failed to support your argument.

Why would God create a rock 5999 years and 363 days ago, but specifically make it look to be billions of years old for all intents and purposes?

R = C+F+S Reflect on the depth of the formula

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Better to be humble and admit that you failed to support your argument.

My argument that embedded age makes God deceptive? You support it every time you post.

R = C+F+S Reflect on the depth of the formula

I've reflected on it. What you put forward is a meaningless bunch of letters with no real worth or value in any sense of the word.

So... Why would God create a rock 5999 years and 363 days ago, but specifically make it look to be billions of years old for all intents and purposes?

 

[truthpls]

My argument that embedded age makes God deceptive? You support it every time you post.

It is only embedded in the heads of those who worship at the altar of the natural only.

I've reflected on it. What you put forward is a meaningless bunch of letters with no real worth or value in any sense of the word.

Creation has meaning. God forming the land and waters has meaning. And the fall of man has meaning. Nice try at waving them away. I'll tell you what, it's Christmas, I will modify the formula for you a bit


R = C+F+S =N(natural only processes)

Happy now?

So... Why would God create a rock 5999 years and 363 days ago, but specifically make it look to be billions of years old for all intents and purposes?

R = C+F+S =N(natural only processes)

There is a place for the natural, be of good cheer.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It is only embedded in the heads of those who worship at the altar of the natural only.

Creation has meaning. God forming the land and waters has meaning. And the fall of man has meaning. Nice try at waving them away. I'll tell you what, it's Christmas, I will modify the formula for you a bit


R = C+F+S =N(natural only processes)

Happy now?

R = C+F+S =N(natural only processes)

There is a place for the natural, be of good cheer.

Creation has meaning, yes. Your... 'attempt', and I use that word so lightly it might as well not even exist as a word, is meaningless, useless and valueless.

So I ask again, and be the honest Christian you claim to be and I hope that you are and actually read it, think about it and answer it: Why would God create a rock 5999 years and 363 days ago, but specifically make it look to be billions of years old for all intents and purposes?

 

[AV1611VET]

In other words, yet more levels of deception.

How would you know, since you weren't there?

 

[AV1611VET]

An appeal to rhetoric is not an answer.

Why would God create a rock 5999 years and 363 days ago, but specifically make it look to be billions of years old for all intents and purposes?

Except that you're not appealing to God's word at all. You're just making a claim all by yourself.

Why would God create a rock 5999 years and 363 days ago, but specifically make it look to be billions of years old for all intents and purposes?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Here is some radioactive isotope decay math for you.

C(creation) = spiritual. And R(the way a rock is now) = spiritual plus natural

R = C+F(God forming the world such as separating land from water) + S(fall of man after sin)

R = C+F+S

Your formula is this R = N(natural only)

Nope. None of this has anything to do with how radioisotopes decay.

The basic property of isotopic decays is that the number of decays in any moment are directly proportional to the amount of the material and the constant "C" of that decay.

dN/dt = - C N

where "N" is the number present at any time, the decay constant "C" is already defined, and the derivatives have the usual meaning. This is one of the most basic differential equations and the solution is:

N(t) = N(t=0) * exp (-t/C)

That is radioactive decay math and all there is to it.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It may sound like a broken record to you, but it is a pertinent question to ask, and I will certainly keep asking it until I get an actual answer to it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your formula is this R = N(natural only)

Truthpls, just FYI, Warden is a deist.

He believes God created [whatever], along with the laws of physics, then stepped back and let them do their thing for billions of years.

The idea of God coming to earth to perform miracles isn't an option.

Thus over eons of time, and under God's watchful eye, this [whatever] that He created, eventually configured itself into the universe we see now.

Warden, correct me if I'm wrong please.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Truthpls, just FYI, Warden is a deist.

He believes God created [whatever], along with the laws of physics, then stepped back and let them do their thing for billions of years.

The idea of God coming to earth to perform miracles isn't an option.

Thus over eons of time, this [whatever] that God created, eventually configured itself into the universe we see now.

Warden, correct me if I'm wrong please.

You could have said universe. Or creation in lower case if that's easier for you to get your point across.

 

[AV1611VET]

You could have said universe. Or creation in lower case if that's easier for you to get your point across.

Okay, thanks.

I wanted to call it the "primeval atom," but decided not to.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Okay, thanks.

I wanted to call it the "primeval atom," but decided not to.

I think the term is 'primordial atom', not primeval. Primordial does sound cooler honestly.

 

[dlamberth]

How would you know, since you weren't there?

It's not a matter of being there. It's what we see now.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's not a matter of being there. It's what we see now.

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

That's what the Serpent tricked Eve with ... empirical science.

Later he tried that on Jesus, and it didn't work.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

 

[truthpls]

Nope. None of this has anything to do with how radioisotopes decay.

Yes, who could question the math?
There was no anything before creation. That includes radioactive decay. As for how they decay we know that too. But let's face it any decay since creation 6000 years ago doesn't matter if the rock was created that way

The basic property of isotopic decays is that the number of decays in any moment are directly proportional to the amount of the material and the constant "C" of that decay.

Irrelevant to a rock the day after creation. You can't wave the supernatural away by sticking your head in the sand and saying there was no creation! Prove it. I think we already established that science doesn't know. That means they have no power to wave creation away with their natural only science

dN/dt = - C N

where "N" is the number present at any time, the decay constant "C" is already defined, and the derivatives have the usual meaning. This is one of the most basic differential equations and the solution is:

If the number present at the given time in the OP (a day after creation) it matters big time! There was no 'c' before creation either of course. Your whole math equation is faith based. Is that the best your naturonlydunnit mind can come up with?
Your math was shot down entirely is a moment. The math formula I provided cannot be shot down! Natural science cannot say there is or is no supernatural. That means it is neutered in the creation issue.

 

[truthpls]

Truthpls, just FYI, Warden is a deist.

He believes God created [whatever], along with the laws of physics, then stepped back and let them do their thing for billions of years.

The idea of God coming to earth to perform miracles isn't an option.

Thus over eons of time, and under God's watchful eye, this [whatever] that He created, eventually configured itself into the universe we see now.

Warden, correct me if I'm wrong please.

Well, I guess that particular deity didn't write the bible. Also, if that god is a spirit, then natural only science can't tell us when or how He did anything. So basically the poor 'deity' is a nothing burger

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, I guess that particular deity didn't write the bible. Also, if that god is a spirit, then natural only science can't tell us when or how He did anything. So basically the poor 'deity' is a nothing burger

By the way, Merry Christmas, brother!

 

[truthpls]

By the way, Merry Christmas, brother!

Thank you. To your family as well.