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Few Christian denominations take the old testament literally.
Science is quiet on religious beliefs.
Science is never complete.
I am simply saying that we do not need to jump through the hoops of creationist beliefs to know that God created the universe and everything in it including Earth.
Thanks for the update on the state of the churches today
It screams out a belief by resting exclusively on the natural only. The wise are not fooled.
Who really cares? Science is just a system of expressing faith in only the natural.
No, all we have to do is believe Scripture and Jesus.
What you see is based the natural and nothing but the natural. If there was supernatural involved then you would just be projecting. Since you cannot prove there is or is not anything more involved, I am afraid your position is defeated.
It's based on the Earth itSelf...as Created by God.
If you say so. But I have a different perspective. When it comes to the Creation story, all I know is what the Earth itSelf is showing us. As I've said many times now, being a Creation of God, it can not lie. It's pretty hard to see something of God and not see the Divine within it.
I'm not trying to prove anything. We're having a discussion.
It is based on natural processes in the earth that you try and attribute the creation of all things to. I don't recall you addressing the OP. What about the dating of that 2 day old rock as billions of years old?
The natural processes in the earth going on now are not showing us anything about how God created it. You latch onto those natural after the creation fact processes for dear life and attribute the creation to them. The bible would call that worshipping the creation more than the creator.
Nor speak. Yet you think it tells you there is no God that created. If the world was created, you do realize, that there would be natural processes going on, right? How would one focus solely on those to determine how God created?
Scripture is of God. Jesus was God. We see the divine in these.
I've addressed it in a previous post.
The natural process that we see in the Earth is what God put into place. Over and over I've put God into the picture because I worship the Creator but I also recognize what His Creation is showing us about itSelf.
I never said that.
Which is exactly what I've been saying. And we can see those natural process put into place by God with in His own Creation.
By looking as His Creation and seeing the process with in it.
Many also see the Divine IN His Creation. I happen to be one of those. I just don't know how to limit God I guess. An infinite being is just that, infinite.
When a person sees God everywhere they look such that God is an absolute reality in their lives, they will even see the Divine reach in dirt.
Understanding breath, especially the breath of God is a very important spiritual state.
The question was not how old do you think the rock is. The question was how old would scientists date this rock if it was the day after creation. It would have come to exist days ago literally. Yet since the same materials more or less as are in the rock now would have also been in the rock then, they would misdate it.
Only after creation. At creation what we saw was what we got. Natural processes made rocks no older than they were.
You don't put God in the picture by opposing the Scripture that Jesus confirmed He gave.
On the day after a rock was made would we not have seen those same natural processes? That means the processes came after creation and were not what created.
That has no bearing on it being created. Man has processes in him too. He breathes, he metabolizes, etc. That does not mean that digesting a cookie created us. It means we, the creation have some processes. Like the rocks also have things going on in them
You insult Jesus because He held up the Scriptures as God's word. When you do that you are seeing the divine but shooing the divine away. You see the natural and imagine it is divine and saying that God is a liar.
Since He spoke and stars and the universe came into existence, yes. He is high above man's wisdom and knowledge. You try to limit creation to your knowledge of the natural.
When a person sees a god that says something other than what God said, and thinks what he says he is seeing led him to not believe Scripture, whatever is in their lives is neither reality nor God.
No one understand the details of how He breathed life into Adam. All we can do is believe He did. Or, like you, that He did not.
That doesn't answer my question. You've come here amd expressed your opinions on science, the Bible and the Christian religion. We have explained to you why we reject those opinions. What are you going to do next?
Enjoy total victory. What else is there? Have you any steam left? Have you some proof that all we need to know about the creation of God is this natural and processes now working? Am I missing something here? The rock that was there on day two and if inspected by science would have been declared billions of years old. That illustrates the falseness of dating as well as the naturalonlydunnit science claims about where we came from. You have no defence. I guess all that remains is to have people who happen to see and understand the arguments here to learn what has really been going on. One heart at a time.
God left evidence for men to study that tells a different story
Science goes where the evidence leads.
Living matter decays and is left to the mercy of the elements.
Thanks to God science has been a blessing for for all life. The average life expectancy in ancient civilizations around 500 BC was generally considered to be around 30 years old. Today the average age is in mid to late 70s.
He told His Own story and gave it to man. Beware of the spirit that tells a different story. Or that inspires man to interpret the natural deceptively to reach another story
Science goes where the natural is. It cannot go anywhere else ever. Such as to creation.
Only after matter comes to exist.
Well, I suppose the cockroaches would find it a blessing after a nuclear war. Maybe even some birds that eat carrion. The rest of us find that what science provides in this world can be a mixed blessing.
Yes, sad. If we go back to around 2000 BC the average life expectancy was about 175 years old. Go back another 1000 years before that and the average life expectancy was about 925 years. We can play with numbers all day if you like. It's fun. If we look into the possibly near (the time after Christ returns to the planet) future the life expectancy will reach 1000! Depending on the stats we use, I think that between medical errors and medically assisted suicides (thank you science) the life expectancy of many has decreased lately.
I agree, their misunderstanding caused by working with only part of the equation (natural only)
Only after it was created. This cannot tell us about the miracle of the creation itself. In fact, using only the processes of already created things, it leads to a gross misunderstanding of where it came from and how long ago. It also leads to diabolically anti God, anti creation, and anti Scriptural models
Yes. Apostasy is a prominent feature of society today.
That would fit! Other Christians might take it with a grain of salt, and in it's place and use it if it was a blessing etc. (as opposed to swallowing whole anything that had a little label 'scientific' on it.
When the theory is some half baked anti reality God opposing pipe dream formulated on the basis of religiously using only part of the equation (natural ONLY) one would hope there are still honest and believing people that would not be so deceived.
Yes, and He also died for us to let us know He was real too. Any true wisdom has both.
You mentioned that. Yes, sad. Thanks for the update
You must be smart. You have managed to overturn almost two thousand years of Christian Bible scholarship and refute the work of leading theologians from the first century onwards, influencial thinkers like Origen, Augustin of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas. Even the great reformers Luther and Calvin could not match that achievement.
Flattery cannot rescue a lost agrument
Truth be told they believed in creation long before that. Take Jesus for example. Pity any poor fools who thought they could reform creation or what Jesus said.
