Oldest rock in the world 2 days after creation (embedded age)

[dlamberth]

Creation shows us He created. Not how.

And that's where science is filling in the blank.

 

[AV1611VET]

And that's where science is filling in the blank.

No.

 

[BCP1928]

AIs aren't friendly, either.

 

[truthpls]

You didn't answer the question.

It is what He says it is. And if the creation involved many things then it would not be billions of years between each thing created.

The phrase in the beginning refers to a specific time.

John 1:1 -- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:2 -- He was in the beginning with God.

John 1:3 -- All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

When Jesus referred to that time and used the phrase, He was talking about creation week and Adam and Eve

Not some mystery imaginary time that He was monitoring the progress of evolution till man finally came from an animal.

 

[truthpls]

Why would God need to make them all at the same time?

You tell us? In creation week we are told He did.

Not at the same moment though of course, it took six days. Science does not agree that man existed first and the woman came from the man!

1 Timothy 2:13 -- For Adam was formed first, then Eve.

Whether one accepts the science or not, the fossil record, while not perfect, provides physical evidence of past life forms across different geological time periods.

Yes, all the way back to the beginning it seems. But what we see in that group of fossilized creatures is not a good record of life if God created it all. For whatever reasons, many of the forms of life that existed were not in that particular record. I think it is safe to say that if God exists and Jesus was correct in affirming Genesis, that the fossil record we have in quite incomplete.

Denying the science creates countless hoops that creationists need to jump through to convince themselves.

There is no denying anything here and there is no 'the science' for God or creation. Your interpretation using science leads you to deny the truth of God as read in Scripture.

 

[truthpls]

1. "How did the carpenter drive that nail?"
2. "He used a hammer."
3. "You're saying that the hammer drove the nail all by itself???"

God is not a hammer, He formed and fashioned and created man. He did not fall out of heaven and bang a rock like a hammer.

4.. "No, I'm saying the carpenter used a hammer to drive the nail."
5. "You're lyiing, You just want to deny the existence of carpenters."
6. Go to 1.

God did not drive the universe into existence He spoke, and it was there. No hammering needed. Adam was formed by God not anything else and no nail was needed.

 

[Tinker Grey]

It is what He says it is. And if the creation involved many things then it would not be billions of years between each thing created.

The phrase in the beginning refers to a specific time.

John 1:1 -- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:2 -- He was in the beginning with God.

John 1:3 -- All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

When Jesus referred to that time and used the phrase, He was talking about creation week and Adam and Eve

Not some mystery imaginary time that He was monitoring the progress of evolution till man finally came from an animal.

What is time to a timeless being?

Your interpretation of scripture is irrelevant. My question has nothing to do with what scripture says. I want to know WHY time is relevant to a timeless being.

 

[truthpls]

So now that you have reached that conclusion, what are you going to do about it?

What is it you think man has to 'do about' creation?

The wisest man that lived (aside from Jesus, who came later) said this

Ecc 12: 6 Yes, remember your Creator now while you are young, before the silver cord of life snaps and the golden bowl is broken. Don't wait until the water jar is smashed at the spring and the pulley is broken at the well. 7 For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

That does not refer to God making man by evolving lower life forms! It refers to Genesis and how God said we would return to dust, and that we were formed by Him from the dust of the earth.

What did the smartest man in the world say to do about it?

13 "Fear God and obey his commands, for this is everyone's duty."

 

[truthpls]

And that's where science is filling in the blank.

Filling in the blank is not the same as rewriting the story entirely and in a completely contrary way.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Filling in the blank is not the same as rewriting the story entirely and in a completely contrary way.

Creation itself is the story; the Bible re-wrote it it in a completely contrary way.

 

[truthpls]

What is time to a timeless being?

Your interpretation of scripture is irrelevant.

The confirmation of the Genesis account of creation is cover to cover in the bible. Any doubting of it is irrelevant.

My question has nothing to do with what scripture says. I want to know WHY time is relevant to a timeless being.

If He wanted us to know everything maybe He would have told us.

 

[Tinker Grey]

The confirmation of the Genesis account of creation is cover to cover in the bible. Any doubting of it is irrelevant.

Creation is the story. Your doubting of it is irrelevant. Your interpretation of scripture is irrelevant.

If He wanted us to know everything maybe He would have told us.

He did ... it's right there in creation.

 

[truthpls]

Creation itself is the story;

No. Scripture gives us the story of God creating. Looking at that creation after the fact and leaving Him out entirely and using only natural processes to tell us where it all came from is lunacy.

the Bible re-wrote it it in a completely contrary way.

Your opinion is noted. You call God wrong and lean to your own natural wisdom.

 

[Tinker Grey]

No. Scripture gives us the story of God creating. Looking at that creation after the fact and leaving Him out entirely and using only natural processes to tell us where it all came from is lunacy.

Your opinion is noted. You call God wrong and lean to your own natural wisdom.

I call you wrong.

 

[truthpls]

He did ... it's right there in creation.

Not in any way people using ONLY the natural could comprehend. Especially when they reject His word.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Not in any way people using ONLY the natural could comprehend. Especially when they reject His word.

Of course, we can comprehend it. That's what science is ... the comprehension (and continual refinement thereof) of reality.

An ancient text can hold no candle to science.

(And, BTW continual refinement is called learning ... it's a good thing.)

 

[truthpls]

I call you wrong.

You can call whatever you like. God is not a man that He should lie.

Here is wisdom talking!

1 Listen as Wisdom calls out!
Hear as understanding raises her voice!
2 On the hilltop along the road,
she takes her stand at the crossroads.
3 By the gates at the entrance to the town,
on the road leading in, she cries aloud,
4 "I call to you, to all of you!
I raise my voice to all people.
5 You simple people, use good judgment.
You foolish people, show some understanding.
6 Listen to me! For I have important things to tell you.
Everything I say is right,
7 for I speak the truth
and detest every kind of deception.
8 My advice is wholesome.
There is nothing devious or crooked in it.
9 My words are plain to anyone with understanding,
clear to those with knowledge.

Wisdom the predates the very universe, no less!

22 "The Lord formed me from the beginning,
before he created anything else.


So, from one that predates the universe, and saw this world and heavens being created, we read that humans were part of all that!

24 I was born before the oceans were created,
before the springs bubbled forth their waters.
25 Before the mountains were formed,
before the hills, I was born—
26 before he had made the earth and fields
and the first handfuls of soil.
27 I was there when he established the heavens,
when he drew the horizon on the oceans.
28 I was there when he set the clouds above,
when he established springs deep in the earth.
29 I was there when he set the limits of the seas,
so they would not spread beyond their boundaries.
And when he marked off the earth's foundations,
30 I was the architect at his side.
I was his constant delight,
rejoicing always in his presence.
31 And how happy I was with the world he created;
how I rejoiced with the human family!

 

[Tinker Grey]

When I was still a believer, I came to understand that to study nature as it is and for what it is is to appreciate that God is beyond a magic man who poofs things into existence.

To understand the vastness of the universe and to understand the things therein is to begin to understand just how magnificent such a god could be.

Adhering to doctrine, to eschew reality, is make your god paltry and pathetic. Aspire to something more.

(My deconversion is off topic.)

 

[Aaron112]

Science reveals how the god of this world, the prince of darkness, operates.

The one true Creator remains unaffected by science.... He knows the evil of it.

 

[truthpls]

No.

Maybe in the sense that it whites out the bible, and then fills the blacks with whatever it wants