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Oldest rock in the world 2 days after creation (embedded age)

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Metamictisation can make rocks look very old. It's even one of the ways we ID Prenephelean(presolar) rocks.

Which is quite bogus since geologists and scientists know the difference between rocks that have undergone metamictisation and those that haven't.
 
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Of course they don't. But most of them aren't YECs, either. YECism is a phenomenon largely restricted to Protestantism, because of the eccentric notions that branch of Christianity has about the role of the Bible in faith.
A model of creation based only on the natural is a religion as much as any based on creation involving the supernatural because science does not know either way
Actually, it's metaphysical materialism, (as opposed to the methodological naturalism of science) which is not a religion per se
 
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Yours is nothing but post hoc logic.

Ya ... you can add trees and algae to His deception also; since trees and algae, as AI Overview puts it:

Trees and algae both significantly contribute to the environment by producing oxygen through photosynthesis, cleaning the air, regulating climate, providing habitats for wildlife, and helping to mitigate the effects of climate change; trees primarily benefit land ecosystems by providing shade, reducing erosion, and filtering water, while algae plays a crucial role in aquatic ecosystems by producing a large portion of the world's oxygen and serving as a food source for many marine organisms.
 
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And that has anything to do with your embedded age claim... how?
 
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You appear to to be stuck with an imaginary problem. Believing God (the trinity) initiated the creation of the universe through natural processes, as understood by science, is not inherently illogical or incompatible with religious faith, as it allows for a God who operates through established natural laws.

I have never head the term "Satanic family". I tried looking it and got blank results leading me to believe that it is strictly in YOUR imagination. If you have any doubts or questions about what I or what Catholics believe regarding creation I encourage you to refer to the Niacin Creed. In short: Catholics believe that God created the universe and everything in it including the Earth, but are not taught to take the Genesis creation story literally.
 
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Where you been?

I said God created the world 6000 years ago and put age into the rocks to help regulate the temperature of the earth.
I thought you've been saying that when God cleaned up the mess after the Noah flood that's when God put age into stuff.
 
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It's a LOT BETTER than you're suggestion that He did it to be deceptive.
You got it backwards. God did not embed old age into His Creation.
But those who are saying He did, they are the ones making God "look" like a decepter.
 
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You got it backwards. God did not embed old age into His Creation.
But those who are saying He did, they are the ones making God "look" like a decepter.

Those who say God didn't embed age into His creation had better come up with something better than "deception."

Especially since I've shown how and why embedded age is a better method than any other.

ETA: And before anyone says I have it backwards, they'd better convince me they understand it forwards first.
 
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You've not once shown why or how embedded age is a better method than any other!
 
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"Embedded age" is a weak argument against evolution because it does not provide any mechanism for how aging could be actively selected for by natural selection. Meaning, there's no clear evolutionary advantage to having a built-in aging process that would lead to its preservation in a species. The argument is senseless as it does not explain why it would be beneficial enough to evolve and persist over time.
 
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It makes sense for you not so much for others.

Isn't that just what I said?

Don't tell me something that "only makes sense to me" is "deceptive."

How do you know it's "deceptive," if it doesn't make sense to you?
 
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Thanks for the QED.

Stop it. Chapter and verse, or thread and post rather, for you showing or even saying that it's a better method. Except for the post above, since that's just you claiming that it's a better method not saying that is is a better method.
 
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You're the one, and also AV too, who is claiming that God created the world 6000 years ago but put age into the rocks to make it look significantly older than it is. So the deception is 1000% on your end and yours alone.
No He made rocks to be rocks. You just come along with a magic wand of natural only interpreting of all things and stick old ages on the poor rock. Presto! Then you blame God for tricking you no less. Weird
Just because you want to follow a claim put forward by American Fundamentalists in the 60s is no skin off the nose of the question of salvation.
Genesis and Isaiah and Psalms and the gospels and epistles were all written long before that actually. It is cognitive dissonance to blame belief in the creation by God on some people decades ago in the USA
We'll only really find out when we finally meet Him in the end. As long as the Mormon's aren't the ones who are right that's all that really matters.
I guess I am luck I don't know what they think
 
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Metamictisation can make rocks look very old. It's even one of the ways we ID Prenephelean(presolar) rocks.
Looking up the definition of your 64 dollar word I see this

"the process or condition of becoming amorphous due to the loss of crystalline structure, typically as a result of the radioactivity of uranium or thorium contained in a substance"

That would take great time. If you were in the garden of Eden with equipment and power a day after the world was created (that would still be before man was created) and told us that some rock looked old due to 'Metamictisation' that might be the first joke in the garden of Eden
 
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Isn't that just what I said?

Don't tell me something that "only makes sense to me" is "deceptive."

How do you know it's "deceptive," if it doesn't make sense to you?
I did not claim, or otherwise indicate that embedded age was "deceptive". I provided arguments that it is weak and senseless. Perhaps you are able to provide evidence otherwise. If so please do.

This is what I wrote: "Embedded age" is a weak argument against evolution because it does not provide any mechanism for how aging could be actively selected for by natural selection. Meaning, there's no clear evolutionary advantage to having a built-in aging process that would lead to its preservation in a species. The argument is senseless as it does not explain why it would be beneficial enough to evolve and persist over time.
 
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Of course they don't. But most of them aren't YECs, either. YECism is a phenomenon largely restricted to Protestantism, because of the eccentric notions that branch of Christianity has about the role of the Bible in faith
That is another issue. Most still accept that there is the supernatural. Science doesn't and for no reason! Science then is the odd man out here.
Actually, it's metaphysical materialism, (as opposed to the methodological naturalism of science) which is not a religion per se
As long as they realize that the natural only range and scope and jurisdiction of science cannot cover where we came from because obviously there is more, I win.
 
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