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Oldest Christian Denomination

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So an expert in American Protestant history, someone who mixes scholarly and fiction works, another expert in American Protestant history, a German Lutheran and a feminist Catholic. I'll believe the works of those who were there.
LOL. I knew you'd come up with something...even if you haven't read a single book by any of these people. And BTW, what YOU would use instead wasn't the question.
 
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Why would I read a book by someone I wouldn't trust? I am a discerning reader. Besides, while I do read history books, I spend more time reading about my faith, and where it comes from.
The question is what is the oldest denomination. Of course that leaves Catholicism out, because Catholicism isn't a denomination at all. In fact, denominationalism is anti-biblical.
 
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Nice non-answer.

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Apparently that went over your “head”.
 
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This sect, also called the Mandeans, believed that John the Baptist was the Messiah.

First of all, there is no way that Imperial Rome was trying to suppress just this sect. This is because Imperial Rome was trying to get rid of all the Christians until 325 AD or so.

Second, these people were not Christians! They believed that John the Baptist was the Messiah, so they could not possibly be perceived as Christians ever!
 
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No, that was not the Nazoreans. Even Eusubius writing circa 350 ad noted the Nazoreans were doctrinally orthodox.
 
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That is correct - The Body of Christ is The Church!

An extract of some of the oldest Church in our Lord Jesus Christ Holy Spirit, God The Most High and our Most Holy Blessed Virgin Mother Mary is below to show my Brothers and Sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ that Jesus has been appearing to His Catholic Saints for Centuries prior to the 11th Century.

Catholic first, Christian and God The Most Highs Universal Church and I can elaborate as to one reason - our Lord Jesus, God The Most High and Holy Spirits Holy Divine Heavenly Blessed Sacraments in our Lords "Real Physical and Spiritual Holy Divine Presence" are received by our Lord Jesus Himself at His Altars where as Jesus has said to His thousands of Holy Saints now in Heaven, He stands near His Priests on the Altars in His Catholic Church and changes the bread into His Holy Divine Eucharist of which contain His Holy Divine Blessings, Holy Gifts and Holy Graces. Including Jesus has said, being Present Physically and Spiritually in the Confessionals hearing all Holy Confessions with souls approaching His Fount of Mercy for sins to be forgiven/absolved and Penance given. Holy Saint Faustina, Holy Saint Marie Chambon, Holy Saint Mechtilde, Holy Saint Gertrude, Holy Saint Catherine of Sienna, Holy Saint Gemma Galgani, Holy Saint Little Flower of Jesus Therese, Holy Saint Dominic - 1214 and 1216, Blessed Allan De La Roche, Saint Louis De Montfort, The Secret of The Rosary, Saint Simon Stock, and thousands of other Catholic Saints of whom have received Jesus and Holy Spirit appear dating back prior to the 11th Century -

There are many websites of which are Catholic on the Saints - and I am able to list a few if I search for anyone interested.

ecatholic2000.com


Jesus has been appearing to thousands of His Saints (the Holy Saints now in Heaven that God The Most High mentioned in His Holy Word) many of them Nuns/Novices/Sisters back before 1214 when Jesus appeared to Holy Saint Dominic - Jesus has always appeared to His Catholic Nuns/Priests and lay Catholics to date speaking to hearts around the world.

Jesus appeared to Holy Saint Faustina now in Heaven with our Blessed Holy Trinity in the 1930s delivering His Holy Divine Mercy Chaplet/Novena and appearing to Saint Marie Chambon in the 1900s delivering our Lords/God The Most Highs Holy Spirits Holy Wound Chaplet with over 600 Holy Messages attached and books full of Holy Messages to Holy Saint Marie Chambon encouraging all of mankind to flock to His Catholic Church dating back prior to the 11th Century and receiving Him in His Blessed Holy Heavenly Divine Sacraments in His Holy Divine Presence. All in accordance directly to Gods Holy Word.
Every Holy Prayer delivered by our Lord Jesus and every Holy Message delivered by our Lord Jesus. "Whoever eats this Flesh and Drinks My Blood has Life in them" and "Whosoever does not eat My Flesh and Drink My Blood has no Life in them".

The problem today is that it has taken centuries for our Lord Jesus Holy Prayers and Holy Words within His Holy Word to reach people - now available yet people are too busy and or non interested to read Gods Holy Words all directly reflecting Gods Holy Word/His Holy Bible whereas in the earliest centuries people knew in their hearts and knew many of the Saints and their lives dedicated to our Blessed Holy Trinity and to our Most Holy Blessed Virgin Mother Mary. Lineages are continued to date by Jesus God The Most High and Holy Spirit Jesus has explained to His Holy Saints including through His Catholic Holy Church from the Hebrew days. Certain Holy destinies for many souls of which are now Holy Saints in Heaven. Certain souls here on earth destined to sacrifice for Jesus God Holy Spirit and certain Churches chosen by God The Most High in our Lord Jesus Christ and in our Most Holy Blessed Virgin Mother Mary - our Lord's Holy Catholic Church - and the gates of hades will not prevail upon Her as our Lord Jesus has stated neither over past centuries nor this century or any other.

Our Lord Jesus is Holy Sacred Divine Present in His Holy Divine Church.

The lives of St. Mechtilde and St. Gertrude the Great seem to have been one long series of visions and conversations with Our Lord and His Mother, Whom they loved and served in the Cistercian convent of Helfta, in central Germany, during the second half of the thirteenth century. At the express command of Christ Himself, despite all the humble objections of the two Saints, their beautiful revelations were carefully recorded in two precious books, The Book of Special Grace of St. Mechtilde, and The Herald of Divine Love of St. Gertrude, in order that "in the far future," as Jesus said to the latter, "these writings may be a pledge of My Divine bounty... through them I will benefit innumerable souls." In last year's issue we published the short account on the life of St. Gertrude the Great; this issue is dedicated to St. Mechtilde.

St. Mechtilde of Helfta
(c. 1240 - 1298)



St. Mechtilde instructing the novice, St. Gertrude.
St. Mechtilde was born about the year 1240, a countess and a cousin of the German Emperor. But at the age of seven she entered a convent school and henceforth lived only for the King of Kings. She soon became an unusually learned nun, capable of writing elegantly in Latin, and she had such a lovely voice that she was made choir mistress of her convent and became known as the "Nightingale of Christ." But above all, she excelled in pure, ardent, soaring devotion to her beloved Saviour and His glorious Mother.

One day she begged Our Lord to teach her how to greet the Blessed Virgin, and He then gave her this touching tribute to the Immaculate Heart of Mary:

"If you wish to please My Mother; hail her Virginal Heart in the abundance of all the good things of which it is an abyss for mortals. Hail that heart in its purity, which inspired Mary to take the hitherto unprecedented vow of perpetual virginity. Hail it in its humility, which most of all made her find grace before God and made her worthy of conceiving by the Holy Ghost. Hail it in its ardent longing, by which she had the power of drawing Me into her womb. Hail it in its great charity for God and men. Hail it in its extreme fidelity in keeping grace and in remembering all that I did and said during My childhood and all My life. Hail it in the compassion with which she shared in all My sufferings, which cruelly pierced and tore her soul. Hail it in her submission to the will of God,that submission by which she consented to sacrifice Me, her only beloved Son, for the salvation of the world. Hail it in the very motherly solicitude with which she unceasingly prayed for the infant Church. And finally, hail it in her continuous prayers by which, through her merits, she obtains for human beings all the graces which are given to them."

On another occasion, when the Mother of God herself appeared to St. Mechtilde, the Saint asked her how she could honor her, and Mary replied:

"Remind me of the joy which I experienced when the Son of God left the bosom of His Father in order to come into my womb. Rejoice with me again in the ineffable bliss with which I was filled when that same Son was born of me, and when I saw Him and pressed Him in my arms as a Mother."

One Saturday, during a Mass in Our Lady's honor, Mechtilde exclaimed: "O most gracious Queen of Heaven, I would love to greet thee with the most pleasing salutation which has ever been addressed to thee!"

At once Mary appeared to her with these words written on her Immaculate Heart in letters of gold: "HAIL MARY, FULL OF GRACE! THE LORD IS WITH THEE!" And she said to the Saint: "No creature has ever said anything that was more pleasing to me, nor will anyone ever be able to find or say to me anything that pleases me more."

One day when Saint Mechtilde was reproaching herself for not having loved the Blessed Virgin Mary enough, Jesus appeared to her and said:

"For this fault, and in order to make reparation for it, first praise and honor My Mother for the faithfulness with which, in all her actions and throughout her life, she submitted her will to Mine; secondly, praise and honor the readiness with which she attended to all My physical needs and with which she had compassion in her heart for all that I had to endure in My Body; and thirdly, exalt her for her devotion to Me in Heaven, by means of which she draws sinners to Me, converts them to Me, and frees from the sufferings and flames of Purgatory a multitude of souls, for whom her intercession and her powerful intervention more quickly open the realms where they will glorify Me for all eternity."

Once when St. Mechtilde had committed some slight fault, Our Lady showed herself to the Saint with a stern face and threatened her with a "golden whip", lest the nun repeat her fault. However, the Saint was given to understand that the gold of the whip symbolized Mary's kindness and love. In this connection also, Mechtilde once heard Jesus say to Mary: "Remember; My beloved Mother; that for thy sake I am indulgent to sinners, and I regard my elect (Mechtilde) as if she had served thee all her life with devotion." Whereupon Mary lovingly gave herself entirely to the Saint, for Jesus' sake.

During Mass on the Feast of the Assumption, Saint Mechtilde had the following vision: she beheld the Blessed Virgin Mary extending her mantle as if to receive beneath its shelter all those who fled to her patronage. Then the holy Angels brought and presented to her, as fair young virgins to their mother, all who had prepared themselves very fervently for this Feast, meanwhile protecting them from evil spirits and inciting them to good deeds. Then there appeared a number of little animals, representing sinners who devoutly pray to Mary; and she received them with great charity and covered them too with her mantle. At the Elevation, Our Divine Lord Himself blessed all who assisted at Holy Mass with special devotion toward His Mother in her glorious Assumption, so that they were strengthened in their good desires.

When St. Mechtilde was dying, she prayed very earnestly to Mary for the nuns of her Community, and the Blessed Virgin took the Saint's hand in hers, indicating that she accepted from her the charge of the convent. Then Our Lord placed on Mechtilde a necklace of marvelous beauty, sparkling like gems, representing the glory of eternity in His Heavenly Kingdom.

These are only a few of our Blessed Holy Trinitys Holy Divine Saints now in Heaven

CANCER PATIENTS, PATRONS OF
CELTIC SAINTS
ENGLISH MARTYRS
MEXICAN MARTYRS
SAINTS WITH THEIR OWN DIRECTORY
SAINTS WITH SINGLE PAGES NOT LISTED ELSEWHERE
SAINTS' FEAST DAYS
SAINTLY QUOTES
PAPAL QUOTES
THE TWELVE CATHOLIC VIRTUES: ONE FOR EACH MONTH OF THE YEAR
MILTARY PATRONS
THE PATRONAGE OF SAINTS
SOME SAINTS OF THE EUCHARIST
SAINTS OF THE PASSION
SIGNIFICANCE OF HALOS IN ART------------SIGNS AND SYMBOLS OF GOD AND THE SAINTS
THE SIGNIFICANCE OF NUMBERS
MEANING OF GEMS----------SANCTIFY THE DAY, WEEK AND MONTH
CATHOLIC FORMS OF ECCLESIASTICAL ADDRESS
THE TEACHINGS OF THE SAINTS IN THEIR OWN WORDS
TWO SAINTS TO INVOKE AGAINST FLOODS AND EARTHQUAKES
SPECIAL PAGES

SAINT MICHAEL OF THE SAINTS, PATRON OF CANCER PATIENTS
SAINT PEREGRINE, PATRON OF CANCER PATIENTS

ST. BRENDAN
ST. COLUMBA
ST. COLUMBAN
ST. CUTHBERT
ST. DYMPHNA
ST. FRIDOLIN
ST. MARGARET OF SCOTLAND
ST. PATRICK

ST. JOHN FISHER
ST. EDMUND CAMPION
ST. MARGARET CLITHEROW
ST. THOMAS MORE
THE FORTY ENGLISH MARTYRS

ST. ANDREW AVELLINO
ST. BARBARA
ST. CHARBEL
ST. CLARE
ST. JAMES OF THE MARCHES
ST. JANUARIUS, BISHOP AND MARTYR
ST. JULIANA FALCONIERI
ST. JULIANA CITED ON THE EUCHARIST HERE ALSO
BLESSED KATERI TEKAKWITHA
ST. LEONARD OF PORT-MAURICE
ST. MARY MAGDALEN DE PAZZI
ST. PASCHAL BAYLON
ST. PETER JULIAN EYMARD: SEE THE REAL PRESENCE
ST. PIUS X
ST. STANISLAUS KOSTKA

THE FOURTEEN HOLY HELPERS

ST. ACHATIUS, MARTYR
ST. BARBARA [She is also listed under Saints of the Eucharist, above]
ST. BLAISE, MARTYR
ST. CATHERINE OF ALEXANDRIA, MARTYR
ST. CHRISTOPHER, MARTYR
ST. CYRIACUS, MARTYR
ST. DIONYSIUS, MARTYR
SAINT ERASMUS, MARTYR
ST. EUSTACE, A FOURTEEN HOLY HELPER AND COMPANIONS, MARTYRS
ST. GEORGE, MARTYR
ST. GILES, ABBOT
ST. MARGARET OF ANTIOCH, MARTYR
ST. PANTALEON, MARTYR
SAINT VITUS, MARTYR


Fr. Miguel Pro
Bl. José Luis Sánchez del Río
Bl. Anacleto Gonzáles Flores

ST. BRENDAN, PATRON OF SAILORS
ST. JOSEPH CUPERTINO, CONFESSOR, PATRON OF PILOTS AND ASTRONAUTS
ST. JOHN CAPISTRANO, PATRON OF MILITARY CHAPLAINS
ST. ERASMUS [ELMO], MARTYR, ONE OF THE 14 HOLY HELPERS, PATRON OF SAILORS
ST. GEORGE, ONE OF THE 14 HOLY HELPERS, MARTYR AND PATRON OF SOLDIERS
ST. IGNATIUS OF LOYOLA, PATRON OF SOLDIERS
ST. JOAN OF ARC, MARTYR, PATRON OF MILITARY LEADERS
ST. SEBASTIAN, MARTYR, PATRON OF SOLDIERS
ST. MICHAEL, PATRON OF THE MARINES

Saints of the Passion Below

SAINT ANNE ----Link fixed
SAINT ANTHONY OF PADUA
SAINT GERARD MAJELLA, PATRON OF AWAITING MOTHERS
SAINT GERTRUDE THE GREAT
SAINT JOAN OF ARC
SAINT JOSEPH
SAINT JUDE

SAINT PADRE PIO

SAINT PETER: THE PRIMACY OF
SAINT PAUL

SAINT PHILOMENA

POPE SAINT PIUS X

SAINT RITA OF CASCIA
SAINT THERESE OF LISEUX


A----B C----D E----F G----H----I J----K L----M N----O P----Q----R S----T U----V----W X---Z

SAINT AGATHA ST. BARNABAS, MARTYR

ST. BARTHLOMEW, APOSTLE AND MARTYR
SAINT AGABUS ST. BASIL THE GREAT
SAINT AGNES, MARTYR ST. BENNO OF MEISSEN
SAINT AGNES OF MONTEPULCIANO ST. BENEDICT JOSEPH LABRE
ST. ALBERT THE GREAT, CHURCH DOCTOR

SAINT ALPHONSUS LIGUORI ST. BERNARD OF CLAIRVAUX
SAINT ALOYSIUS GONZAGA ST. BERNARD OF CORLEONE
SAINT AMBROSE ST. BERNADETTE
SAINT ANDRE BESSETTE ST. BIBIANA, MARTYR
SAINT ANDREW, APOSTLE AND MARTYR
SAINT ANDREW CORSINI ST. BONIFACE, MARTYR
SAINT ANGELA MERICI
ST. BRIDGET OF SWEDEN
SAINT ANTHONY ABBOT
SAINT ANTHONY MARY CLARET
SAINT ANTONINUS

SAINT APOLLONIA

THE APOSTLE ST. THOMAS
ST. ATHANASIUS

ST. AUDREY [ETHELREDA]

ST. AUGUSTINE

ST. CAJETAN
ST. DAMIEN DE VEUSTER, THE LEPER PRIEST OF MOLOKAI
ST. CAMILLUS DE LELLIS
ST. CASIMIR ST. DISMAS
ST. DOMINIC

ST. DOMINIC SAVIO
ST. CHAD OF LICHFIELD

ST. DOMINIC DE SILOS

STS. DOMITILLA AND COMPANIONS
ST. CLAUDE DE LA COLOMBIERE: PERFECT FRIEND OF THE SACRED HEART
ST. CLOUD [CLODOALD]
SAINT DOROTHY
STS. COSMOS AND DAMIAN, MARTYRS

ST. CYPRIAN, BISHOP AND MARTYR
ST. CYRIL OF CONSTANTINOPLE

ST. EDWARD THE CONFESSOR SAINT FAUSTINA

ST. FIDELIS OF SIGMARINGEN
ST. ELIZABETH ANN SETON
ST. ELIZABETH OF HUNGARY ST. FLORIAN, MARTYR
ST. ELIZABETH OF PORTUGAL ST. FRANCES CABRINI
ST. ELPIDIUS, ABBOT
ST. FRANCES OF ROME

ST. FRANCIS OF ASSISI, THE STIGMATA OF

ST. FRANCIS BORGIA


BL. EUGENE DE MAZOD ST. FRANCIS OF PAOLA

ST. FRANCIS DE SALES

ST. FRANCIS SOLANUS
EXALTATION OF THE TRUE CROSS
ST. FRANCIS XAVIER

ST. FREDIANO OF LUCCA

SAINT HEDWIG

SAINT GALL
SAINT HERMENGILD
SAINT GENEVIEVE ST. HILARY OF POITIERS
ST. GERMAINE FEAST OF THE HOLY FAMILY
ST. GERMANUS ST. HONORE OF AMIENS
ST. GERTRUDE OF NIVELLES
ST. GIANNA MOLLA
SAINT HUGH OF GRENOBLE
POPE ST. GREGORY THE GREAT HOLY INNOCENTS

ST. HYACINTH

ST. IRENAEUS
SAINT GREGORY NAZIANZEN ST. IRENE
SAINT GREGORY THAUMATURGO
ST. ISIDORE THE FARMER
SAINT GILES, ABBOT, A FDOURTEEN HOLY HELPER
ST. ISIDORO OF SEVILLE, BISHOP
ST. GUDULA


ST. IVO [IVES] OF KIERMARTIN

ST. JAMES THE GREATER
ST. JAMES THE LESS, APOSTLE AND MARTYR
ST. JANE CHANTAL

ST. JANUARIUS AND COMPANIONS, MARTYRS

ST. JEROME, DOCTOR OF THE CHURCH
SAINT KATHERINE DREXEL
ST. JOACHIM
ST. JOSEPH PIGNATELLI

ST. JOSEPH THE WORKER, FEAST OF
SAINT JOSEPHINE BAKHITA
SAINT JOHN BAPTISTE DE LA SALLE
SAINT JOHN OF CAPISTRANO

SAINT JOHN CHRYSOSTOM

ST. JOHN OF THE CROSS
ST. JOHN THE EVANGELIST
ST. JOHN GUALBERT
ST. JOHN OF GOD
ST. JOHN THE GOOD
ST. JOHN DE MATHA
ST. JOHN NEUMANN
SAINT JOHN VIANNEY, PATRON OF PRIESTS
BL. JOSEPH GERARD, OMI
ST. JOSEPH CAFASSO TRADITION DIRECTORY
ST. JOSEPH CAFASSO PRIEST DIRECTORY

ST. JUAN DIEGO
ST. JULIAN OF TOLEDO, BISHOP
BL. JUNIPER SERRA
STS. JUSTA AND RUFINA, MARTYRS

ST. LEO THE GREAT, POPE AND DOCTOR OF THE CHURCH

ST. LAURENCE JUSTINIAN ST. MARGUERITE BOURGEOYS
ST. LAWRENCE, DEACON AND MARTYR

ST. MARK
ST. LAWRENCE BRINDISI ST. MARTHA
ST. LOUIS IX, KING OF FRANCE
ST. MARTIN I, POPE AND MARTYR

ST. MARTIN DE PORRES
ST. LOUIS DE MONTFORT ST. MARY OF EYGPT
ST. LOUISE DE MARILLAC SAINT MATILDIS
ST. LOUIS OF TOULOUSE
SAINT MATTHEW, APOSTLE AND MARTYR
ST. LUCY, MARTYR AND PATRON OF THE EYES SAINT MATTHIUS
ST. LUKE, EVANGELIST
ST. MAURUS, PAGE 1 ---- PAGE 2
ST. LYDWINA ST. MAXIMILIAN KOLBE

ST. MECHTILDE

ST. MEDARD

ST. MIGUEL CORDERO

FR. MICHAEL MCGIVNEY DECLARED VENERABLE

ST. MONICA

SAINT MUTIEN-MARIE WIAUX

ST. NICHOLAS OF BARI

ST. NICHOLAS OF FLUE
ST. ODILIA, PATRON OF THE EYES
ST. NICHOLAS OF TOLENTINO

BLESSED ODO OF NOVARA
THE NORTH AMERICAN MARTYRS


ST. ORSO OF AOSTA


ST. PAPIANUS
ST. PAUL THE HERMIT QUEENSHIP OF MARY

ST. RAYMUND OF PENAFORT
ST. PAULA ROMANA ST. REMIGIUS
ST. PETER CHANEL ST. ROBERT THE MONK
ST. PETER CLAVER
ST. ROBERT BELLERMINE
ST. PETER MARTYR ST. ROCH

ST. RODRIGO, MARTYR
STS. PETER AND PAUL, FEAST OF ST. ROMAULD
ST. PETER'S CHAINS. FEAST OF
ST. ROSALIA
ST. PHILIP, APOSTLE AND MARTYR ST. ROSE OF LIMA
ST. PHILIP BENIZI
ST. ROSE PHILIPPINE DUCHESNE
ST. PHLIP NERI ST. RUPERT OF SALZBURG
ST. PIUS V, POPE

ST. TERESA OF AVILA
STS. SIMON AND JUDE, APOSTLES AND MARTYRS

ST. SIMON STOCK ST. THECLA
POPE ST. SIXTUS II, MARTYR

ALL SOULS DAY ST. THOMAS THE APOSTLE AND MARTYR
ST. STANISLAUS, MARTYR
ST. STEPHEN HARDING ST. THOMAS AQUINAS
ST. STEPHEN, PROTOMARTYR ST. THOMAS OF VILLANUEVA
POPE ST. SYLVESTER I ST. TITIAN
ST. SYRUS OF PAVIA, MARTYR
ST. SULPICE

ST. URSULA AND MAIDENS, MARYTRS
SAINT WALBURGER
SAINT VALENTINE
SAINT VICTOR
SAINT WENCESLAS, CHILDREN'S PAGE
SAINT VINCENT DE PAUL SAINT WENCESLAS, THIS DIRECTORY
SAINT VINCENT FERRER SAINT WILLIBRORD

ST. ZITA


ST. ANDREW AVELLINO
ST. BARBARA
ST. CHARBEL
ST. CLARE
ST. JAMES OF THE MARCHES
ST. JANUARIUS, BISHOP AND MARTYR
ST. JULIANA FALCONIERI
ST. JULIANA CITED ON THE EUCHARIST HERE ALSO
BLESSED KATERI TEKAKWITHA
ST. LEONARD OF PORT-MAURICE
ST. MARY MAGDALEN DE PAZZI
ST. PASCHAL BAYLON
ST. PETER JULIAN EYMARD: SEE THE REAL PRESENCE
ST. PIUS X
ST. STANISLAUS KOSTKA

SAINT PAUL OF THE CROSS

THE MARTYRS OF DAIMIEL

ST. GABRIEL OF OUR LADY OF SORROWS
ST. GEMMA GALGANI
ST. MARIA GORETTI
BL. DOMINIC BARBERI
BL. LORENZO SALVI
BL. CHARLES OF MOUNT ARGUS
BLESSED BERNARD MARY OF JESUS
BLESSED PIUS CAMPIDELLI
BL. ISIDORE DE LOOR
GRIMOALDO OF THE PURIFICATION
ST. VINCENT MARY STRAMBI


Other Saints of the Passion


ST. CATHERINE OF SIENA, OWN DIRECTORY------------SPECIAL PAGE
ST. CATHERINE DEI RICCI
ST. VERONICA GIULIANI
ST. COLETTE
ST. FRANCIS OF ASSISI
ST. BRIDGET OF SWEDEN
ST. HELENA OF THE TRUE CROSS
ST. MARY MAGDALEN
ST. VERONICA

ST. ANTHONY MARY ZACCARIA
BLESSED PETER SANZ AND COMPANIONS
THE FEAST OF ALL SAINTS [ALL SAINTS DAY]
THE FEAST OF OUR LADY OF FATIMA
FEAST OF THE PRECIOUS BLOOD
THE FEAST OF THE PRESENTAT1ON OF THE VIRGIN
THE FEAST OF THE VISITATION
ST. CECILIA GALLERY
ST. JOHN GABRIEL PERBOYRE, MARTYR, CHINA'S FIRST CANONIZED SAINT
JUNE, MONTH OF THE HOLY EUCHARIST
VEN. MARIA TERESA GONZALEZ-QUEVEDO
SAINTS SCHOLASTICA AND BENEDICT
SAINTS MARTIN OF TOURS AND THOMAS A BECKETT

THE PAINTING, THE TAKING OF THE VEIL

 
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THE
DOLOROUS
(SORROWFUL)
PASSION OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST






FROM THE MEDITATIONS OF

ANNE CATHERINE EMMERICH




Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824)
Mystic, Stigmatist, Visionary, and Prophet

THE DOLOROUS PASSION OF
OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST


NIHIL OBSTAT: GEORGIVS D. SMITH. D.D.

CENSOR DEPVTATVS

IMPRIMATUR: EDM. CAN. SVRMONT

VICARIVS GENERALIS

WESTMONASTERII, DIE XXI MAII MCMXXVIII

ONE VOLUME

AND
THE FOUR VOLUME WORK:

THE LOWLY LIFE AND BITTER PASSION
OF
OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
AND
HIS BLESSED MOTHER
TOGETHER WITH
THE MYSTERIES OF THE OLD TESTAMENT

FROM THE
VISIONS OF BLESSED ANNE CATHERINE EMMERICH
As Recorded in the Journal of Clement Brentano
AND EDITED BY
VERY REV. C.E. SCHMOGER, C. SS. R.
1914
NIHIL OBSTAT
Brugis, 25 Martii, 1914.
Em. De Jaegher,
Can., lib.cens.

IMPRIMATUR.
Brugis, 27 Martii, 1914.
A.C. DE SCHREVEL
vic. gen.







BRIEF SUMMATION OF THIS BOOK

Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich was an Augustinian nun at the Convent of Agnetenberg, Dulmen, Westphalia, Germany. She lived between 1774 to 1824. During her life, God gave her extensive visions of the past, the present and the future. Many theologians believe that she received from God more visions than any other saint. The Sorrowful (Dolorous) Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ are the visions of Anne Catherine Emmerich concerning the horrific sufferings our Dear Lord Jesus Christ suffered in his work to save mankind. This includes the Last Supper, the Agony in the Garden, the Arrest, the Scourging the Crowning of Thorns, the Trial by Pontius Pilate, the Carrying of the Cross, the Crucifixion and the Dying on the Cross and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. They are incredibly, highly detailed and descriptive, revealing to us more information about the Life of Jesus Christ besides what we read of Him in the Bible. These excerpts are from the book: THE DOLOROUS PASSION OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

The addendum on the Resurrection, Ascension, Day of Pentecost and the Life of Mary after the Ascension of Christ are from the book: The Lowly Life and Bitter Passion of OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND HIS BLESSED MOTHER. Recorded in the Journals of Clemens Brentano, arranged and edited by the Very Reverend Carl E. Schmöger, C.SS.R.

(These can be deleted by CF of course given high volume at any time after people have had a quick look if they so choose. Jesus has appeared to so many of His Catholic Saints chosen by God The Most High from the very beginning our Lord Jesus has stated to many of His Holy Saints now in Heaven. To spread fervour to mankind to approach His Fount of Mercy, to receive Him in His Blessed Holy Sacraments in His Catholic Church and to repent sins to Him from contrite humble hearts in Holy Confession where Jesus has said He is Present hearing Holy Confessions and forgiving hearts/souls trusting in Him. All of the Holy Works our Lord Jesus has done in His Holy Divine Mercy with our Most Holy Blessed Virgin Mother Mary teaching people to approach Him and His Fount of Mercy repenting sins to Him in Holy Confession.

THE DOLOROUS PASSION OF
OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST

FROM THE MEDITATIONS OF ANNE CATHERINE EMMERICH

TABLE OF CONTENTS

PREFACE Preface to the French Translation Pages v-x
INTRODUCTION Introduction to the Book. Pages xi
LIFE OF ANNE CATHERINE EMMERICH Religious of the Order of St. Augustine, at the Convent of Agnetenberg, Dulmen, Westphalia. Pages 15-59
TO THE READER Introduction Page 65
MEDITATION I Preparatons for the Pasch Pages 67-67
MEDITATION II The Supper-Room Pages 68-69
MEDITATION III Arrangements for eating the Paschal Lamb Pages 70-71
MEDITATION IV The Chalice used at the Last Supper Pages 72-73
MEDITATION V Jesus goes up to Jerusalem Pages 74-75
MEDITATION VI The Last Pasch Pages 76-80
MEDITATION VII The Washing of the Feet Pages 81-83
MEDITATION VIII Institution of the Holy Eucharist Pages 84-88
MEDITATION IX Private Instructions and Consecrations Pages 89-93
THE PASSION



Introduction


Pages 95-97
CHAPTER 1 Jesus in the Garden of Olives Pages 97-121
CHAPTER 2 Judas and his Band Pages 121-127
CHAPTER 3 Jesus is Arrested Pages 127-137
CHAPTER 4 Means Employed by the Enemies of Jesus for Carrying out Their Designs Against Him Pages 138-139
CHAPTER 5 A Glance at Jerusalem Pages 140-144
CHAPTER 6 Jesus before Annas Pages 145-148
CHAPTER 7 The Tribunal of Caiphas Pages 149-150
CHAPTER 8 Jesus before Caiphas Pages 151-158
CHAPTER 9 The Insults received by Jesus in the court of Caiphas Pages 158-160
CHAPTER 10 The Denial of St. Peter Pages 161-164
CHAPTER 11 Mary in the House of Caiphas Pages 164-167
CHAPTER 12 Jesus Confined in the Subterranean Prison Pages 167-170
CHAPTER 13 The Morning Trial Pages 171-173
CHAPTER 14 The Despair of Judas Pages 173-176
CHAPTER 15 Jesus is taken before Pilate Pages 176-179
CHAPTER 16 Description of Pilate's Palace and the Adjacent Buildings Pages 179-183
CHAPTER 17 Jesus before Pilate Pages 183-189
CHAPTER 18 The Origin of the Way of the Cross Pages 189-191
CHAPTER 19 Pilate and his Wife Pages 191-194
CHAPTER 20 Jesus before Herod Pages 194-199
CHAPTER 21 Jesus led back from the Court of Herod to that of Pilate Pages 200-205
CHAPTER 22 The Scourging of Jesus Pages 205-210
CHAPTER 23 Mary during the Flagellation of our Lord Pages 210-212
CHAPTER 24 Interruption of the Visions of the Passion by the Appearance of St. Joseph under the form of a Child Pages 212-218
CHAPTER 25 Description of the Personal Appearance of the Blessed Virgin Pages 218-219
CHAPTER 26 The Crowning with Thorns Pages 220-221
CHAPTER 27 Ecce Homo Pages 222-224
CHAPTER 28 Reflections on the Visions Pages 225-226
CHAPTER 29 Jesus Condemned to be Crucified Pages 227-232
CHAPTER 30 The Carriage of the Cross Pages 233-236
CHAPTER 31 The First Fall of Jesus Pages 236
CHAPTER 32 The Second Fall of Jesus Pages 237-238
CHAPTER 33 Simon of Cyrene.---Third Fall of Jesus Pages 239
CHAPTER 34 The Veil of Veronica Pages 241-242
CHAPTER 35 The Fourth and Fifth Falls of Jesus.---The Daughters of Jerusalem Pages 243-244
CHAPTER 36 Jesus on Mount Golgotha.---Sixth and Seventh Falls of Jesus Pages 245-246
CHAPTER 37 The Departure of Mary and the Holy Women of Calvary. Pages 247-248
CHAPTER 38 The Nailing of Jesus to the Cross Pages 249-252
CHAPTER 39 Erection of the Cross Pages 253
CHAPTER 40 Crucifixion of the Thieves Pages 254-255
CHAPTER 41 Jesus Hanging on the Cross Between Two Thieves Pages 256-257
CHAPTER 42 First Word of Jesus on the Cross Pages 258
CHAPTER 43 Eclipse of the Sun.---Second and Third Word of Jesus on the Cross Pages 259-260
CHAPTER 44 The Fear felt by the Inhabitants of Jerusalem.---Fourth Word of Jesus on the Cross Pages 261-265
CHAPTER 45 Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh Words of Jesus on the Cross.---His Death Pages 266-269
CHAPTER 46 The Earthquake.---Apparitions of the Dead in Jerusalem Pages 270-273
CHAPTER 47 The Request of Joseph of Arimathea to be allowed to have the Body of Jesus Pages 274
CHAPTER 48 The Opening of the Side of Jesus.---Death of the Two Thieves Pages 275-277
CHAPTER 49 A Description of Some Parts of Ancient Jerusalem Pages 278-280
CHAPTER 50 The Descent from the Cross Pages 281-285
CHAPTER 51 The Embalming of the Body of Jesus Pages 286-291
CHAPTER 52 The Body of Our Lord Placed in the Sepulchre Pages 292
CHAPTER 53 The Return from the Sepulchre.---Joseph of Arimathea is put in Prison Pages 293-294
CHAPTER 54 On the Name of Calvary Pages 295-296
CHAPTER 55 The Cross and the Wine-press Pages 297
CHAPTER 56 Apparitions on Occasion of the Death of Jesus Pages 298-299
CHAPTER 57 Guards are Placed Around the Tomb of Jesus Pages 300
CHAPTER 58 A Glance at the Disciples of Jesus on Holy Saturday Pages 301-304
CHAPTER 59 A Detached Account of the Descent into Hell Pages 305-310
CHAPTER 60 The Eve of the Resurrection Pages 311
CHAPTER 61 Joseph of Arimathea Miraculously Set at Large Pages 312
CHAPTER 62 The Night of Resurrection Pages 313-316
CHAPTER 63 The Resurrection of Our Lord Pages 317
CHAPTER 64 The Holy Women at the Sepulchre Pages 318-323
CHAPTER 65 The Relation which was given by the Sentinels who were placed around the Sepulchre Pages 324-325
CHAPTER 66 The End of the Lenten Meditations Pages 326
APPENDIX Detached Account of Longinus Pages 327-330

THE END OF THE DOLOROUS PASSION OF JESUS CHRIST




CONTINUATION OF THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST: INCLUDES THE RESURRECTION, THE ASCENSION OF CHRIST INTO HEAVEN AND THE DAY OF PENTECOST AND THE LIFE OF THE VIRGIN MARY AFTER THE ASCENSION OF JESUS INTO HEAVEN:
FROM THE BOOK: THE LIFE OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST Combined with THE BITTER PASSION and THE LIFE OF MARY, VOLUME IV. from the visions of Blessed Anna Catharina Emmerick.
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CONTINUATION OF RESURRECTION & ASCENSION
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PENTECOST AND BEGINNINGS OF THE CHURCH
430-449


LIFE OF MARY AFTER CHRIST ASCENDS INTO HEAVEN
449-476


THE BOOK OF BLESSED ANNE CATHERINE EMMERICH'S VISION OF THE LIFE OF CHRIST:
THE LOWLY LIFE AND BITTER PASSION OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND HIS BLESSED MOTHER TOGETHER WITH THE MYSTERIES OF THE OLD TESTAMENT (VISIONS OF BLESSED ANNE CATHERINE EMMERICH) (.PDF FILES)

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IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE:

http://www.catholicplanet.com/ebooks/Dolorous-Passion.pdf

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IN THE FRENCH LANGUAGE:

LA DOULOUREUSE PASSION DE N. S. JESUS-CHRIST et VIE de N. S. JESUS CHRIST: D'APRÈS LES VISIONS D'ANNE CATHERINE EMMERICH



IN THE SPANISH LANGUAGE:

LA DOLOROSA PASION DE CRISTO


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PREFACE TO THE FRENCH TRANSLATION

BY THE ABBÉ DE CAZALES




THE writer of this Preface was travelling in Germany, when he chanced to meet with a book, entitled, The History of the Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ, from the Meditations of Anne Catherine Emmerich, which appeared to him both interesting and edifying. Its style was unpretending, its ideas simple, its tone unassuming, its sentiments unexaggerated, and its every sentence expressive of the most complete and entire submission to the Church. Yet, at the same time, it would have been difficult anywhere to meet with a more touching and life-like paraphrase of the Gospel narrative. He thought that a book possessing such qualities deserved to be known on this side of the Rhine, and that there could be no reason why it should not be valued for its own sake, independent of the somewhat singular source whence it emanated.

Still, the translator has by no means disguised to himself that this work is written, in the first place, for Christians; that is to say, for men who have the right to be very diffident in giving credence to particulars concerning facts which are articles of faith; and although he is aware that St. Bonaventure and many others, in their paraphrases of the Gospel history, have mixed up traditional details with those given in the sacred text, even these examples have not wholly reassured him. St. Bonaventure professed only to give a paraphrase, whereas these revelations appear to be something more. It is certain that the holy maiden herself gave them no higher title than that of dreams, and that the transcriber of her narratives treats as blasphemous the idea of regarding them in any degree as equivalent to a fifth Gospel; still it is evident that the confessors who exhorted Sister Emmerich to relate what she saw, the celebrated poet who passed four years near her couch, eagerly transcribing all he heard her say, and the German Bishops, who encouraged the publication of his book, considered it as something more than a paraphrase. Some explanations are needful on this head.



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The writings of many Saints introduce us into a new, and, if I may be allowed the expression, a miraculous world. In all ages there have been revelations about the past, the present, the future, and even concerning things absolutely inaccessible to the human intellect. In the present day men are inclined to regard these revelations as simple hallucinations, or as caused by a sickly condition of body.

The Church, according to the testimony of her most approved writers, recognises three descriptions of ecstasy; of which the first is simply natural, and entirely brought about by certain physical tendencies and a highly imaginative mind; the second divine or angelic, arising from intercourse held with the supernatural world; and the third produced by infernal agency.* Lest we should here write a book in.stead of a preface, we will not enter into any development of this doctrine, which appears to us highly philosophical, and without which no satisfactory explanation can be given on the subject of the soul of man and its various states.

The Church directs certain means to be employed to ascertain by what spirit these ecstasies are produced, according to the maxim of St. John: ‘Try the spirits, if they be of God.’ When circumstances or events claiming to be supernatural have been properly examined according to certain rules, the Church has in all ages made a selection from them.



* See, on this head, the work of Cardinal Bona, De Discretionc Spiritaum.



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Many persons who have been habitually in a state of ecstasy have been canonised, and their books approved. But this approbation has seldom amounted to more than a declaration that these books contained nothing contrary to faith, and that they were likely to promote a spirit of piety among the faithful. For the Church is only founded on the word of Christ and on the revelations made to the Apostles. Whatever may since have been revealed to certain saints possesses purely a relative value, the reality of which may even be disputed—it being one of the admirable characteristics of the Church, that, though inflexibly one in dogma, she allows entire liberty to the human mind in all besides. Thus, we may believe private revelations, above all, when those persons to whom they were made have been raised by the Church to the rank of Saints publicly honoured, invoked, and venerated; but, even in these cases, we may, without ceasing to be perfectly orthodox, dispute their authenticity and divine origin. It is the place of reason to dispute and to select as it sees best.

With regard to the rule for discerning between the good and the evil spirit, it is no other, according to all theologians, than that of the Gospel. A fructibus eorum cognoscetis eos. By their fruits you shall know them. It must be examined in the first place whether the person who professes to have revelations mistrusts what passes within himself; whether he would prefer a more common path ; whether far from boasting of the extraordinary graces which he receives, he seeks to hide them, and only makes them known through obedience; and, finally, whether he is continually advancing in humility, mortification, and charity. Next, the revelations themselves must be very closely examined into; it must be seen whether there is anything in them contrary to faith whether they are conformable to Scripture and Apostolical tradition; and whether they are related in a headstrong spirit, or in a spirit of entire submission to the Church.



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Whoever reads the life of Anne Catherine Emmerich, and her book, will be satisfied that no fault can be found in any of these respects either with herself or with her revelations. Her book resembles in many points the writings of a great number of saints, and her life also bears the most striking similitudeto theirs. To be convinced of this fact, we need but study the writings or what is related of Saints Francis of Assissium, Bernard, Bridget, Emmerich to have been inspired by God’s Holy Spirit, we Ignatius, John of the Cross, Teresa, and an immense number of other holy persons who are less known. So much being conceded, it is clear that in considering Sister Emmerich to have been inspired by God’s Holy Spirit, we are not ascribing more merit to her book than is allowed by the Church to all those of the same class. They are all edifying, and may serve to promote piety, which is their sole object. We must not exaggerate their importance by holding as an absolute fact that they proceed from divine inspiration, a favour so great that its existence in any particular case should not be credited save with the utmost circumspection.

With regard, however, to our present publication, it may be urged that, considering the superior talents of the transcriber of Sister Emmerich’s narrations, the language and expressions which he has made use of may not always have been identical with those which she employed. We have no hesitation whatever in allowing the force of this argument. Most fully do we believe in the entire sincerity of M. Clement Brentano, because we both know and love him, and, besides, his exemplary piety and the retired life which he leads, secluded from a world in which it would depend but on himself to hold the highest place, are guarantees amply sufficient to satisfy any impartial mind of his sincerity. A poem such as he might publish, if he only pleased, would cause him to be ranked at once among the most eminent of the German poets, whereas the office which he has taken upon himself of secretary to a poor visionary has brought him nothing but contemptuous raillery. Nevertheless, we have no intention to assert that in giving the conversations and discourses of Sister Emmerich that order and coherency in which they were greatly wanting, and writing them down in his own way, he may not unwittingly have arranged, explained, and embellished them. But this would not have the effect of destroying the originality of the recital, or impugning either the sincerity of the nun, or that of the writer.



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The translator professes to be unable to understand how any man can write for mere writing’s sake, and without considering the probable effects which his work will produce. This book, such as it is, appears to him to be at once unusually edifying, and highly poetical. It is perfectly clear that it has, properly speaking, no literary pretensions whatever. Neither the uneducated maiden whose visions are here related, nor the excellent Christian writer who has published them in so entire a spirit of literary disinterestedness, ever had the remotest idea of such a thing. And yet there are not, in our opinion, many highly worked-up compositions calculated to produce an effect in any degree comparable to that which will be brought about by the perusal of this unpretending little work. It is our hope that it will make a strong impression even upon worldlings, and that in many hearts it will prepare the way for better ideas—perhaps even for a lasting change of life.

In the next place, we are not sorry to call public attention in some degree to all that class of phenomena which preceded the foundation of the Church, which has since been perpetuated uninterruptedly, and which too many Christians are disposed to reject altogether, either through Ignorance and want of reflection, or purely through human respect. This is a field which has hitherto been but little explored historically, psychologically, and physiologically; and it would be well if reflecting minds were to bestow upon it a careful and attentive investigation. To our Christian readers we must remark that this work has received the approval of ecclesiastical authorities. It has been prepared for the press under the superintendence of the two late Bishops of Ratisbonne, Sailer and Wittman. These names are but little known in France; but in Germany they are identical with learning, piety, ardent charity, and a life wholly devoted to the maintenance and propagation of the Catholic faith. Many French priests have given their opinion that the translation of a book of this character could not but tend to nourish piety, without, however, countenancing that weakness of spirit which is disposed to lend more importance in some respects to private than to general revelations, and consequently to substitute matters which we are simply permitted to believe, in the place of those which are of faith.



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We feel convinced that no one will take offence at certain details given on the subject of the outrages which were suffered by our divine Lord during the course of his passion. Our readers will remember the words of the psalmist: ‘I am a worm and no man; the reproach of men, and the outcast of the people;’ and those of the apostle: ‘Tempted in all things like as we are, without sin.’ Did we stand in need of a precedent, we should request our readers to remember how plainly and crudely Bossuet describes the same scenes in the most eloquent of his four sermons on the Passion of our Lord. On the other hand, there have been so many grand platonic or rhetorical sentences in the books published of late years, concerning that abstract entity, on which the writers have been pleased to bestow the Christian title of the Word, or Logos, that it may be eminently useful to show the Man-God, the Word made flesh, in all the reality of his life on earth, of his humiliation, and of his sufferings. It must be evident that the cause of truth, and still more that of edification, will not be the losers.

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INTRODUCTION
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THE following meditations will probably rank high among many similar works which the contemplative love of Jesus has produced; but it is our duty here plainly to affirm that they have no pretensions whatever to be regarded as history. They are but intended to take one of the lowest places among those numerous representations of the Passion which have been given us by pious writers and artists, and to be considered at the very utmost as the Lenten meditations of a devout nun, related in all simplicity, and written down in the plainest and most literal language, from her own dictation. To these meditations, she herself never attached more than a mere human value, and never related them except through obedience, and upon the repeated commands of the directors of her conscience.

The writer of the following pages was introduced to this holy religious by Count Leopold de Stolberg.* Dean Bernard Overberg, her director extraordinary, and Bishop Michael Sailer,* who had often been her counsellor and consoler, urged her to relate to us in detail all that she experienced; and the latter, who survived her, took the deepest interest in the arrangement and publication of the notes taken down from her dictation. These illustrious and holy men, now dead, and whose memory is blessed, were in continual communion of prayer with Anne Catherine, whom they loved and respected, on account of the singular graces with which God had favoured her. The editor of this book received equal encouragement, and met with no less sympathy in his labours, from the late Bishop of Ratisbonne, Mgr. Wittman.* This holy Bishop, who was so deeply versed in the ways of Divine grace, and so well acquainted with its effects on certain souls, both from his private investigations of the subject, and his own experience, took the most lively interest in all that concerned Anne Catherine, and on hearing of the work in which the editor of this book was engaged, he strongly exhorted him to publish it. ‘These things have not been communicated to you for nothing,’ would he often say; ‘God has his views in all. Publish something at least of what you know, for you will thereby benefit many souls.’ He at the same time brought forward various instances from his own experience and that of others, showing the benefit which had been derived from the study of works of a similar character. He delighted in calling such privileged souls as Anne Catherine the marrow of the bones of the Church, according to the expression of St. John Chrysostorn, medulla enim hujus mundi sunt, and he encouraged the publication of their lives and writings as far as lay in his power.

The editor of this book being taken by a kind friend to the dying bed of the holy Bishop, had no reason whatever to expect to be recognised, as he had only once in his life conversed with him for a few minutes; nevertheless the dying saint knew him again, and after a few most kind words blessed and exhorted him to continue his work for the glory of God.

Encouraged by the approbation of such men, we therefore yield to the wishes of many virtuous friends in publishing the Meditations on the Passion, of this humble religious, to whom God granted the favour of being at times simple, ingenuous, and ignorant as a child, while at others she was clear-sighted, sensible, possessed of a deep insight into the most mysterious and hidden things, and consumed with burning and heroic zeal, but ever forgetful of self, deriving her whole strength from Jesus alone, and steadfast in the most perfect humility and entire sclf-abnegation.

We give our readers a slight sketch of her life, intending at some future day to publish her biography more in full.


* The Count de Stolberg is one of the most eminent converts whom the Catholic Church has made from Protestarnism. He died in 1819.

* The Bishop of Ratisbonne, one of the most celebrated defenders of the faith in Germany.

* Mgr. Wittman was the worthy successor of Sailer, and a man of eminent sanctity, whose memory is held in veneration by all the Catholics of the south of Germany.
 
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Our Lord Jesus Holy Miracles through Holy Saint Padre Pio
Below is an extract of our Lord Jesus' Holy Saint Padre Pio whom was Gifted by God the Stigmata - of our Lord Jesus Christ's Holy Sacred Wounds and sufferings while hearing Holy Confessions in Rome for many years despite his sufferings and holding Holy Masses for our Lord Jesus including Bi-Locations - being able to be in two places at once to assist others and reading souls hearts in our Lord Jesus Christ with hundreds of testimonies - these are only some of them within these links - there are many other websites on Saint Padre Pio of which should interest and show Christians that our Lord Jesus has appeared to thousands of His Holy Saints mentioned in Gods Holy Word - revered in Holy Heaven in our Lord Jesus Christ Holy Spirit and in our Most Holy Blessed Virgin Mother.



It is very difficult to define the word "miracle". Miracles could be considered expressions of the supernatural. Also, we can say that a miracle is a phenomenon in which the heart obeys an interior force: the will of God!

Padre Pio's life was full of miracles, but the nature of the miracles was always divine. For this reason, Padre Pio invited people to thank God, the only source of miracles.

One miracle that has been identified as Padre Pio's first miracle occurred in 1908. At that time he lived in the monastery of Montefusco. One day he gathered chestnuts growing in a nearby forest into a bag and sent the bag to Pietrelcina to his aunt Daria. She always had a great affection for him. The woman received and ate the chestnuts. She saved the bag as a souvenir. A few days later she was looking for something in a drawer where her husband usually kept the gun powder. It was in the evening so she used a candle to light up the room when suddenly the drawer caught on fire, and aunt Daria’s face got burned. After a moment, she took the bag father Pio sent and put it on her face. Immediately, her pain disappeared and no wound or burn mark remained on her face

During the Second World War, in Italy, bread was being rationed. Padre Pio’s monastery always had a lot of guests and the poor who begged there for food. One day the Friars went to the refectory and realized that the basket only had about two pounds of bread. They prayed and sat down before starting to eat. Padre Pio went into the church, and a while later when he came back he was holding a pile of bread in his hands. The Superior asked Padre Pio: "Where did you get all these loaves of bread?" Padre Pio answered: "A pilgrim at the door gave them to me". Nobody commented, but everybody thought that only Padre Pio could meet such a pilgrim.

Once in the monastery of Padre Pio, a friar forgot to consecrate the Hosts for Holy Communion. There were only a few Hosts available. But after confessions when Padre Pio started to distribute Hosts to the people, many Hosts remained at the end of the service, more than had been consecrated before.

A spiritual daughter of Padre Pio was reading a letter from him on the side of a road. The wind blew the letter away, blowing it downhill to a meadow. The letter flew far, far away from the woman, and then suddenly it stopped flying and settled on a stone. In this way the woman got her letter back. The day after, she met Padre Pio who told her: "You have to pay attention to the wind next time. If I hadn't put my foot on the letter it would have flown far away into the valley".

Mrs. Cleonice, who was a spiritual daughter of Padre Pio, said: “During the Second World War my nephew was a prisoner. We had not received news for a year, and everybody believed he was dead. His parents were very worried about his life. His mother went one day to Padre Pio and knelt down in front of the friar who was in the confessional: “Please, tell me if my son is alive. I won’t go away if you don’t tell me!” Padre Pio sympathized with her, and
some tears were on his face when he said: “Stand up and go in peace.” Some days later, I couldn’t resist the thought of pain that the parents were enduring, so I decided to ask Padre Pio for a miracle. I faithfully said: “Father I’m going to write a letter to my nephew Giovannino. I will write his name only on the envelope because we do not know where he is. You and your Guardian Angel will take the letter to him where he is.” - Padre Pio didn’t answer, so I wrote the letter. In the evening I put it on my bedside table before getting into bed. The morning after, to my great surprise, astonishment and fear, I found that the letter was not there anymore. I went in thanksgiving to Padre Pio and he told me: “Give your thanks to Our Lady.” Almost fifteen days later our nephew sent us a response to the letter. Then everybody in our family was happy and giving thanks both to God and Padre Pio.”
During the Second World War, Mrs. Luisa’s son was an officer in the Royal British Navy. At that time she prayed every day for her son’s conversion and salvation. One day an English pilgrim arrived to San Giovanni Rotondo, carrying some English newspapers. Luisa wanted to read them. She found a piece of news concerning the sinking of the warship on which her son was stationed. She immediately went crying to Padre Pio, who consoled her: “Who has told you that your son is dead?” In fact, Padre Pio was able to explain to her exactly the name and the address of the hotel where the young officer was staying after he escaped from the shipwreck in the Atlantic. He was there waiting for a new assignment again. Immediately Luisa sent him a letter, and after a couple of week she received an answer from her son.

A woman at San Giovanni Rotondo was such a good person that Padre Pio said it was impossible to find any fault in her soul to forgive. In other words, she lived to go to heaven. At the end of Lent, Paolina felt seriously ill. The doctors said there were no hopes for her. Her husband and her five children went to the convent to pray with Father Pio and ask him to help her. Two of the five children pulled Father Pio’s habit and cried. Father Pio got upset, but he tried to console them and promised to pray for them, nothing else! Some days later, at the beginning of the Seventh hour, the sainted Padre’s behavior changed. In fact, he asked for
Paolina’s healing and told everybody: “She will resuscitate on Easter Day.” But on Good Friday Paolina lost consciousness as she fell into a coma. On Saturday, after some hours, Paolina finally died. Some of her relatives took her wedding dress in order to put it on her according to an old tradition of the country. Other relatives ran to the convent to ask Padre Pio for a miracle. He answered them: “She will be resuscitated” and he went to the altar for the Holy Mass. When Padre Pio started to sing the Gloria and the sound of the bells announced Christ’s resurrection, Padre Pio’s voice broke off with a sob and his eyes were full of tears. In the same moment, Paolina resuscitated. Without any help she got up from the bed, she knelt down and she prayed for the Creed three times. Then she stood up and smiled. She has recovered...or it should be better to say: “She has resuscitated.“ In fact padre Pio had not said, “she will recover” but “she will resuscitate.” When she was asked what happened during the period when she was dead, she answered: “I went up, went up, went up; when I entered into a great light, I came back.”

A woman said: “My first daughter, who was born in 1953, was rescued by Father Pio when she was eighteen months old. On the morning of January 6, 1955 my husband and I were in church attending the Holy Mass and our daughter was at home with her grandfather. There was an accident: she fell into a tub of boiling hot water. She was burned on her stomach and back. The doctor came in an hour and he said, “take your daughter to a hospital immediately because she could die from her wounds”. For this reason he did not give us any medicine. After the doctor left I started to pray for Father Pio’s help. It was nearly noon. As I was getting myself ready to go to the Hospital, my daughter who was alone in the bedroom called me: “Mommy, I don’t have a wound anymore!” “Who has taken your wound?” I asked her out of curiosity. She answered: “Father Pio has come. He took my wounds by putting his whole hand on my burn”. Actually there was no sign of burns on my daughter’s body even though the doctor had told me my daughter was going to die.

The peasants of San Giovanni Rotondo fondly remember the following event. In spring, the almond trees were blossoming and they were promising a good harvest. But unfortunately millions of voracious caterpillars arrived and devoured the leaves and flowers. They did not spare even the shell. After two days of trying to stop that infestation, the peasants, for whom the almonds were the only economic resource - decided to speak to Father Pio about the problem. Father Pio looked at the trees from the window of the convent and decided to bless them. He put on the sacred vestments and started to pray. When he finished praying he took the holy water and made the sign of the Cross in the air, in the direction of the trees. The next day, the caterpillars had disappeared but the almond trees looked like sticks. It was a disaster: the harvest had been lost. What happened next is incredible! We had the most abundant harvest; a harvest like we had never seen before, but how is it possible that trees without flowers could produce fruits? How was it possible to have fruit from trees that looked like sticks? Scientists have never been able to give any reason for this phenomenon.

In the garden of the convent there were trees; cypresses, some fruit and some pine. Especially on summer afternoons, Father Pio used to stay in the shade together with his friends and guests in order to have a little relief from the hot weather. Once when Father Pio was speaking with some people a large number of birds suddenly started to chirp and make noise from the shade of the trees. The birds had composed a symphony. Father Pio became annoyed with the symphony so, looking at the birds he said: “Keep silent!” At which point, the birds, the crickets and the cicadas fell silent. The people who were in the garden were greatly astonished! In fact Father Pio had spoken to the birds like Saint Francis.

A gentleman said: “My mother came from Foggia and was one of the Father Pio’s first spiritual daughters. She had asked Father Pio “to convert and protect my father”. In April 1945 my father was condemned to be executed by firing squad. He was in front of the platoon when he suddenly saw father Pio appear in front of him to protect him. The commander of the platoon gave the order to fire but no shots were fired from the rifles that were pointed at him. The seven members of the platoon and their commander, astonished, checked their rifles but they didn’t find any problem. So the platoon again pointed their rifles at my father and the commander ordered his soldiers to shoot again, but for a second time the rifles did not work. This mysterious and inexplicable occurrence stopped his execution. Afterward my father was pardoned due to having been awarded a medal during the war; moreover he was disabled in action during the war. After my father returned home, he converted to Catholicism, receiving the sacraments at San Giovanni Rotondo, where he had gone to thank Father Pio. In this way my mother obtained the miracles she had always asked from Father Pio: “her husband’s conversion!”

Father Onorato said: “I went to San Giovanni Rotondo with a friend of mine by motorcycle. I arrived at the convent some minutes before noon. After paying my respects to the superior, I went to the refectory to meet Padre Pio in order to kiss his hand. It should be taken into account that my motorbike model was called “wasp” so Father Pio told me: “Son, did the ‘wasp’ sting you?” I was quite surprised because Padre Pio had not seen me when I arrived at the convent, but he knew what kind of transportation I had used to get there. The next morning, we left San Giovanni Rotondo on my “wasp” motorbike and set out for Saint Michel, a little town not far from Saint Giovanni Rotondo. The gasoline tank was going empty, so we decided to fill up at Monte Saint Angelo. But as soon as we reached that little town, we had a bad surprise: all the gas stations were closed. At that point we decided to go back to San Giovanni Rotondo, and hoped to find somebody along the road who could provide us with some gasoline. I was worried about my brothers in the convent; it would be ungracious not to be back at the convent by lunchtime, for they were waiting for me. But low on gas, the engine started to make noise, and after a few feet it stopped altogether. We checked the tank; it was empty. With sadness I pointed out to my friend that we had only ten minutes to reach the convent and take part in the lunch with our brothers. We could not find any solution, and for this reason my friend stomped on the starter pedal. Unbelievable! The motorbike started again! We immediately set out for Saint Giovanni Rotondo without asking ourselves how the motorbike had started without gasoline. When we arrived in the middle of the square of the convent, the motorbike stopped working again. We opened the tank and realized it was still as dry as it was before. We were also astonished when we looked at our watches: it was ten minutes before lunchtime. That meant we had covered fifteen kilometers in five minutes: an average of 180 kilometers per hour. Without gasoline! I entered the convent as the brothers were coming down for lunch; and when I went to meet Father Pio, he was watching me and smiling.

It was the month of May in 1925. Maria had a little baby who had been ill since birth. Maria was very worried about her baby. In fact, after a medical visit, she was told her child had a very complicated illness. There was no hope for the baby: he could not recover. Maria decided to go by train to Saint Giovanni Rotondo. She lived in a very little town in the south of Puglia (a poor region in the South of Italy), but she had heard some stories concerning Padre Pio, a friar who had the stigmata like Jesus, worked miracles, healed people of their diseases, and gave hope to the hopeless. She immediately set out, but during the trip the baby died. She watched over his little body all night, then placed it in a suitcase and closed it. The following day she arrived at the convent of San Giovanni Rotondo. She had no hope, but she had not lost her faith. That evening she met Padre Pio. She was in the line of people waiting for confession, and she had in her hands the suitcase that contained her son’s body. Her son had died twenty-four hours before. When she arrived in front of Father Pio, she knelt down, cried, and asked his help. He looked at her intently. The mother opened the suitcase and showed Father Pio the corpse. The poor padre was very shocked by the mother’s sorrow. He took the little body and put his hand on the boy’s head; then he prayed, looking up to Heaven. In a moment, the poor creature was alive again. A gesture, a movement of the feet, the arms...he looked as if he had just awakened after a long sleep. Speaking to the mother Padre Pio said: “Mother, why are you crying? Your son is sleeping!” The mother’s shouts of joy, and those of the crowd, filled the church. Everyone spoke about the miracle!

In the evening an engineer was staying late at the convent, but, when he decided to leave, he noticed it was raining. So he told Padre Pio, “I do not have any umbrella! Could I stay here until tomorrow morning? If not I will get wet.” - “I am sorry my dear, it is not possible. But don’t worry! I will keep you company!” answered Father Pio. But that engineer had thought it would be much better for Father not to do that penance, although it would have been less treacherous with Padre Pio’s assistance. Anyway, he put on his hat and started to cover the two miles between the convent and the town. But as soon as he went out he realized with surprise it was not raining anymore. It was just drizzling when he arrived at the home where he was a guest. “My God!” the woman who opened the door exclaimed. “You must be wet to the bone!” - “Not at all,” the engineer answered. “It is not raining.” At that point, the peasants who were hosting him looked at each other dumbfounded. “What! It is not raining anymore? It is pouring! Listen!” They opened the door again and it was raining. They told him it had been raining for an hour without interruption. “How did you manage to come here without getting wet?" they asked him. The engineer answered, “Padre Pio told me he would have come here together with me.” Then the peasants realized it had been Padre Pio’s miracle and they were able to tell him, “Now everything is clear if Padre Pio told you that.” Everything has been cleared and they found themselves in the kitchen for dinner when the woman said, “For sure Padre Pio’s company is much better than an umbrella!”


A man from Ascoli Piceno (an Italian city) said, “Toward the end of the 1950s, I went to Saint Giovanni Rotondo with my wife to go to confession, and I received absolution after Padre Pio’s counsel and penance. In the evening I was still in the convent and Padre Pio saw me again and he said, 'Are you still here?' - 'My “little mouse” did not start,' I answered. - 'What exactly is a little mouse?' Padre Pio asked. 'It is my car,' I answered, 'a little mouse model.' - 'Let’s go and have a look,' said Father Pio. He invited me to leave the monastery, which we did without any problem. We traveled all the night and day and the following morning, I took my car to the mechanic in order to have him look at it. The mechanic told me, after his checks that the electric system of the car was out of order. And he did not believe me when I told him I had traveled in the car all night. In fact, it was impossible to cover two hundred miles, between San Giovanni Rotondo and Ascoli Piceno, with such a car, and I realized Padre Pio had helped me, so I thanked him in my mind.

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That's it.

Christians can look up our Lord Jesus Christs Holy Catholic Saints to realise that our Lord Jesus Christ's Church is His Catholic Church in Him, in His Blessed Holy Sacred Heart, Holy Divine Flesh and Blood and in Holy Spirit/God The Most High and in our Most Holy Blessed Virgin Mother Mary dating back to the Hebrews in Holy Divine Heaven Lineage in our Lord Jesus Christ Himself.
 
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Well, that is all very nice, but I hope you realize that the Holy Orthodox Church also has wonder-working saints and miracle workers, incorrupt saints, succession of authority from the Apostles to this day, and the pure doctrine of our Lord's Seven Sacraments give to the world for its salvation.

I wonder a lot about this: is the apostolic Church, East and West, really separated? That is, is one or the other "not the Church anymore," as traditionalists on both sides will say, or are both sides still the Church despite the heterodoxy in both of them? Do the Sacraments make the Church?

I certainly would be loathe to write off the miracles and holy lives in the Western Church, yet I cannot ignore the same thing in the Eastern Church.

Perhaps God sees the Church as still being one, holy, catholic (not Roman, just catholic) and apostolic, even though we see it as divided and the two sides argue over who the Church really is.

Some days it just gives me a headache.

BTW -- Just FYI, I don't think such long posts are appreciated here. Could be wrong, but that's a lot to wade through.
 
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I commend you for your thinking. Now try to expand it beyond just the EO and RCC since it's hard to argue that God can have either one true church or two true churches, but THAT's ALL!

I'm sorry.....no. You don't get it yet, do you?

There can be no Church without the covenant structure which the Scriptures show. That covenant structure follows specific patterns which you find in the Scriptures. One of these is the principle of authority, or hierarchy. This is why the laying on of hands by the Apostles, and then the bishops in return, is so vital to continuation of the Church.

Let's look at it another way. You have a police force. The unit is one unit under a chain of command. This chain of command - police chief, captains, lieutenants, etc, continues in this process. A man joins the force, he is a private, he is promoted by those above him. What he does not do is to A.) promote himself or B.) as a private citizen, go out and buy a uniform and declare himself a policeman and part of the force.

Sir, you do not get the importance of authority and how it is passed on. This is your blind spot. When Protestants broke away from the Church and the authority place in the Apostles and passed down to the next generation, they left the Church. Men like Calvin, in his "Institutes," created the idea of an "invisible Church" so as to soothe the consciences of those who were rightly nervous about leaving the true Church. All through the Bible you can see the importance of authority and being under that authority, starting with Adam himself. Adam was the covenant head over all Creation. This authority was granted to him by grace by God. He did not usurp it or grasp for it himself. He was made by a superior authority - the Father in heaven - to be authority over Creation and a priest, or intermediary, between Creation and God.

What Protestants have done is the same thing that Dathan and Abihu did in the presence of Moses, the humble. It did not end well for them!!! God states that "rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft," i.e., that it is in league with the devil by opposing God-ordained authority. By opposing the authority which God places upon this earth, one opposes God Himself. That is why civil and religious leaders will face a much, much more severe judgment on that Great Day of Judgment than us normal folk - because they represent God and stand in His place and with His authority. This is no light matter - and those crooked bishops, evil popes, and rotten political leaders who laughed their way through life as they oppressed the poor and sheared God's sheep are not laughing now!!!

On everything that is holy and upon God's perfect justice - I guarantee you that!!! Rebellion is no laughing matter. The only mitigating factor in one's judgment before Christ may be the depraved corruption of the Roman Catholic Church during the Middle Ages. God in His mercy may look at that and understand how men and women of that time would find the stench of Rome unbearable and begin to think that this is not the Church.

But those today......those who have access to the Early Fathers, who can read and understand the history of the Christian faith, and who, if they are honest, must admit that no such thing as Protestant doctrines ever existed in the Early Church -- they are without excuse. Once I saw - after 25 years of being lied to by Fundamentalist and Calvinist pastors who hid the truth from me - that the Church was distinctly Orthodox/Catholic in all that She believed in the first 1,000 years of Christianity, I had a choice. That choice was to either ignore (an act of rebellion against the truth I had discovered) what I saw, or to convert.

By God's grace I chose the latter. I would highly admonish you to do the same and cease your rebellion against the Apostolic faith once delivered to the world for its salvation. Henry VIII broke from the Church, sundered the authority which the English bishops and priests had, and committed an act of rebellion. And while the Europeans may have had an excuse under the time of Luther and Calvin and the corruption of Rome, this had nothing to do with that. Henry wanted his way and when he didn't get it, like a spoiled, pride-filled child, he broke from the Church and declared himself to be the head of the Church in England, which is the same as the aforementioned civilian declaring himself to be a policeman.
 
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I'm sorry.....no. You don't get it yet, do you?
Actually, it was easy to get. But there was the hole in the argument that I called your attention to.

So any church with Apostolic Succession would meet your definition; that isn't what I was getting at, but it at least shows that the issue is bigger than "1 vs 2 or perhaps both of them."

Sir, you do not get the importance of authority and how it is passed on. This is your blind spot.
You don't know what my 'blind spot' is. You haven't yet recognized what I was telling you and so are guessing that Apostolic Succession is what makes all the difference or maybe it's something else. You can go on striking church bodies off a hypothetical list -- and implying that I was arguing for their inclusion -- but that wasn't the point at all.
 
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You missed my whole point -- it's authority.
 
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You missed my whole point -- it's authority.
Authority is just a word, LOTE. It can be used to include--or exclude--every Christian denomination in existence. As such, pointing to it by itself doesn't get us anywhere.
 
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Authority is just a word, LOTE. It can be used to include--or exclude--every Christian denomination in existence. As such, pointing to it by itself doesn't get us anywhere.

I don't know what to say anymore. If you cannot see that from the very beginning that authority, leadership, headship....whatever you wish to call it, is not all through the Bible, then I guess we are done here.
 
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I don't know what to say anymore.
I know. I didn't contest or oppose what you wrote, just that it opened the door for a much bigger view of the matter. I accept that you didn't see that.

f you cannot see that from the very beginning that authority, leadership, headship....whatever you wish to call it, is not all through the Bible, then I guess we are done here.
Oh, that wasn't the point at all.
 
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No, that was not the Nazoreans. Even Eusubius writing circa 350 ad noted the Nazoreans were doctrinally orthodox.

Please give me a reference of this, so that I can read this. Otherwise, this is just an empty document, wasting time and space.
 
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I always appreciate scholarship trying to impartially recapture the state of affairs as it most likely existed in bygone eras.
Of course, we all have our own biases based on a lot of things, but I think that the bias of Christians ought to be on finding out the truth.
Historians are an important source of information, for sure. The Bible itself documents the kind of diversity that the historians you are quoting suggest. The sheer vitriol that New Testament writers have against many heterodox groups that existed right from the beginning, in the generation of Paul and the apostles confirms the diversity of belief. I would say that the differences between the Gospel of John and the Synoptics also demonstrate the amount of diversity that existed even between Christians who believed each other to be Christian. Likewise, there are epistles that advocate marriage, and epistles that advocate celibacy, as the norm to follow. This is a pretty big difference two. Celibacy was more for the roving lifestyle, and marriage for the manors, which were self-contained to large families.

Knowing something of local conditions, reasoning and logic also help us arrive at a truer picture of Christianity in the early centuries. The spread of Christianity was rapid in the first centuries, and very possibly spread from Spain to India maybe even in the lives of the apostles. This is in an era of persecution and precariousness for Christians. Centralized institutional structures would have made very good targets. But this is even if a communications network that spread over so far an area would have even been possible. This is not the age of instant communications and instant translations. Even if the idea of a central authority, in Jerusalem or Alexandria, or Byzantium or Rome, would have been nominally accepted, generations or even centuries could go by without any communications whatsoever between far flung communities in, say, Goa and Rome.
Centralized authority was just not practically possible, and even in churches that were nominally connected in the early years, like Eastern Byzantine and Western Romans, the connections mainly were about a conference here or there, were a statement of purpose was set out, and then the bishops all went back to their own churches that celebrated Christianity in unique ways. As contacts became more intimate as Christianity became official, the differences that were real enough became almost impossible to paper over.
There may have been a time when the Latins had authority exercised over them by the conquests of the Byzantine, but there was never a time that the Byzantines accepted the authority of Rome.
Maybe by medieval times there did come a time when a central authority did become established for the western half of Christianity anyway, but to project that kind of authority back to the first centuries of Christiandom is just not logical.
 
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I know. I didn't contest or oppose what you wrote, just that it opened the door for a much bigger view of the matter. I accept that you didn't see that.


Oh, that wasn't the point at all.

Okay. I'll admit I can be rather dense sometimes. As you see it, what was the point?
 
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