Old Testament and Torah

[Qman]

It should come as no surprise that Christians use Jewish Scriptures as a foundation for Christianity. The first Christians were in fact Jewish converts who accepted Jesus as the awaited Messiah.

I recently saw a post where a Jewish translation of a specific verse challenged the common Christian translation and it made me wonder...

What are the differences between the Christian 'Old Testament' and the Jewish 'Torah'?

 

[Branderud_anders]

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“What are the differences between the Christian 'Old Testament' and the Jewish 'Torah'?”

Torah is the books that Mosheh wrote. “OT” is an heavily mistranslated version of the Jewish Bible – Tan’’kh. Furthermore it is not called “Old T..”. There is nothing old about it and according the logical implications of what is written in Tan’’kh is that the mitzwot (directives or military-style orders) of Torah will always be valid and should always be observed.

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” It should come as no surprise that Christians use Jewish Scriptures as a foundation for Christianity. The first Christians were in fact Jewish converts who accepted … "

You fail to realize that the historical person was named Ribi Yehoshua ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah); and that this is not the same as the conunterfeit Jzus of the Christian Church.

Le-havdil, A logical analysis (found in netzarim.co.il (Netzarim.co.il is the website of the only legitimate Netzarim-group)) of all extant source documents and archeology proves that the historical Ribi Yehosuha from Nazareth and his talmidim (apprentice-students), called the Netzarim, taught and lived Torah all of their lives; and that Netzarim and Christianity were always antithetical.

The original words of the pro-Torah teacher Ribi Yehoshua were redacted by Roman Hellenists, and the redaction is found in the “gospels”. J…. is described in the “gospels”, and le-havdil the teachings of the historical Torah-teacher Ribi Yehoshua from Nazareth are found in the reconstruction (using a logical and scientific methodology to create the reconstruction), Netzarim Hebrew Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu (NHM).
The historical Jew Ribi Yehoshua is not the same as the Christian "J...." The historical Ribi Yehoshua was a human.

The only way to follow the historical Ribi Yehoshua, the Messiah prophecied in Tan’’kh (the Jewish Bible), is through Netzarim (netzarim.co.il)

Anders Branderud

 

[xDenax]

There have been some words replaced with words that point more to Jesus being Messiah. There are also other differences. You can look them up side by side.

 

[Insubres]

There have been some words replaced with words that point more to Jesus being Messiah. There are also other differences. You can look them up side by side.

Actually, the oldest, complete extant Jewish bibles are: A translation into Greek from the 4th century (a Septuagint version, Codex Sinaiticus); and the oldest, complete, extant Hebrew version is from the 9th century AD. The oldest, complete version of the Torah (the Septuagint) therefore is that which the church (and Greek speaking Jews) originally used. So, the idea that the early Christians 'changed' or misinterpreted certain material is perhaps seriously flawed.

There are older fragments of the original Hebrew, but they are fragments. If you're going by a complete bible, the ones the Jews use are much newer than say, that of the Orthodox church. It is possible the early Christians changed things, and the Jews maintained their bible without changes although their extant bibles not as old: But is impossible to substantiate that claim without a complete Jewish bible older than the Christian ones. This isn't as cut and dry as "Christians changed it!" at all.

 

[Qman]

Thanks everyone.

Anders Branderud and xDenax,

So they both contain the same content, only one is translated differently from the other?

Insubres,

That is interesting. So the Christian Greek copies are newer than the Jewish Hebrew copies(Sources? Evidence?)? Is the Hebrew copy a translation of the Greek? Which one is more original? Does anyone know (Sources? Evidence?) or is this the best we know?