Old earth creationism or Young earth creationism

[Jet Black]

These are just a few things that refute the idea that evolution and the Bible are compatible.

false, these are just a few things that refute the idea that evolution and a literal interpretation of the Bible are compatible.

 

[Mistermystery]

Jet: I would like tyou to refer from using the words 'literal interpretation", unless he believes that gen 1 and 2 contradict and the earth is flat (with waterhouses above it).

 

[Jet Black]

false, these are just a few things that refute the idea that evolution and a quasi-literal interpretation of the Bible are compatible.

is that better?

 

[Mistermystery]

Better. Also, does anyone know where awstar has gone to?

 

[Oncedeceived]

The Earth didn't spin THAT much faster. If you are using a 7 day cycle for weeks...that doesn't leave much room for changing what a literal week means.

The earth didn't have to spin THAT much faster. There are many possibilities that could explain a literal week. The fact of Darwin's Theory of relativity for one. A day literally could have been billions of years (in earth time).

 

[Oncedeceived]

Mainstream science says the universe is 11-20 billion Earth-years old, with the most likely age being in the general area of about 13.7 billion years. The Bible doesn't give an age other than six periods of time--each identified as a יוֹם (pronounced yom)--plus the period of human history since the time God created a soul for Adam. Although יוֹם is most commonly translated as "day" it can also mean an age, an era or an unspecified period of time. The Bible can support either a "young Earth" position that the universe is only a few thousand years old (generally YECs claim it to be in the range of 6-58 thousand years) or an "old Earth" position that agrees with the scientific evidence that it is billions of years old.

Exactly, the period of Creation is not considered in the Calendar. Earth time begins with Adam. The Young earth theory comes from the fact that people have counted the years from that point and assume that earth is only that old but they don't take into account the time period of the Creation sequence which in my opinion contains billions of years.

 

[Oncedeceived]

If the bible wasnt talking about a literal week that the universe was created in, then it would be contradictory to itself. For example, Adam was made on the 6th day, but managed to live past the 7th day (the last day of creationism). Bible says adam was 930 years of age when he died, and he lived passed the 7th day of creationism, thus each day couldnt be longer than at most several hundred years AT MOST. Thats just one example.

Once Adam was present the time became "earth time". The first six days of creation were not the same as it is now. Time itself was not existant until matter was formed.

 

[Data]

The fact of Darwin's Theory of relativity for one.

Is this intentional.. I wonder?..

 

[Oncedeceived]

First of all, since Adam, there has been a record of how long people lived and how old they were when they had children (ex. Genesis 11:14, 32). So the lineage up to date is approximately 6,000 years old. The only place that I know that Gap Theorist (old age theory) try to put millions of years, is in the creation of Genesis.



It also doesn't fit in creation.



Of what I know, when million of years are inserted into the Bible they are inserted into the 7 days of creation. This creates a major problem with the day light cycles. “God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day” (Gen 1:5). The literal meaning is: And evening was, and morning was, a day, one. If the first or if any of the other 7 days of creation were millions of years there would be thousands or million years of morning (day) then thousands or million years of evening (night). The Bible says evening and morning, not evenings and mornings. If there were thousands of years in creation, evening and morning would be plural not singular. This day light cycle would create a very different climate on opposite sides of the earth. The side that was exposed to morning would be insanely hot and the side with the evening would be insanely cold. I don’t know of any animals that could withstand the kind of climates that would be created from this effect.

Also God created birds before reptiles. Birds and sea creatures were made on the fifth day (Genesis 1:20-23) and on the sixth day land animals and man were made (Genesis 1:24-31). Also there wasn’t death before man ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil (or before he sinned). “Therefore, just as though one man sin entered the world, and death through sin , and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned-“ (Romans 5:12). This means that nothing died before Adam sinned. So over the millions of years that Gap Theorist believe in, there would have been no death and no fossils. Constantly the Bible says that he created his creation, not that it evolved (Genesis 1:24, 25, 27). These are just a few things that refute the idea that evolution and the Bible are compatible.

I will try to get back here and discuss some of the things you say conflict but I have to go now and don't have the time.