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Old earth creationism or Young earth creationism
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Young earth creationism: The earth is only 6000 years old.AV1611 said:
Old earth creationism: I haven't really seen a label for this as stated. I don't know if it exists. If you define it in the way that I veiw it, it would mean that the earth can be 13.7 billion years old and remain the same earth as was created in 6 days.
In this view, the creation sequence is six days but earth time doesn't begin until Adam.
Does that help with your question?
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Just a clarification, the Universe is 13.7 billion years old, and the earth is 4.5 billion years old.
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Asimov said:
Of course you are correct, my mistake. I tend to condense when I generalize.
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Correct again, but then you would have to define what that week entailed. That is where we see the possibilities.Logic said:
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A literal week then and a literal week now could very possibly be different.Asimov said:
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The Earth didn't spin THAT much faster. If you are using a 7 day cycle for weeks...that doesn't leave much room for changing what a literal week means.
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Mainstream science says the universe is 11-20 billion Earth-years old, with the most likely age being in the general area of about 13.7 billion years. The Bible doesn't give an age other than six periods of time--each identified as a יוֹם (pronounced yom)--plus the period of human history since the time God created a soul for Adam. Although יוֹם is most commonly translated as "day" it can also mean an age, an era or an unspecified period of time. The Bible can support either a "young Earth" position that the universe is only a few thousand years old (generally YECs claim it to be in the range of 6-58 thousand years) or an "old Earth" position that agrees with the scientific evidence that it is billions of years old.AV1611 said:
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If the bible wasnt talking about a literal week that the universe was created in, then it would be contradictory to itself. For example, Adam was made on the 6th day, but managed to live past the 7th day (the last day of creationism). Bible says adam was 930 years of age when he died, and he lived passed the 7th day of creationism, thus each day couldnt be longer than at most several hundred years AT MOST. Thats just one example.
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Or the entire thing could just be a story God decided to create so that people would understand it.Crispie said:
Lets try to explain 13.7 billion years, light years and electrons to a few hundred thousand uneducated Jewish slaves... :o
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Looks like you've ignored my post in another thread:
Add: I can interpret it like this because as far I as I can see, there was no "And there was evening and there was morning" after the seventh day, so maybe the seventh has not ended.
But I'm still open to a possiblity that I'm wrong. I don't care.
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Add: I can interpret it like this because as far I as I can see, there was no "And there was evening and there was morning" after the seventh day, so maybe the seventh has not ended.
But I'm still open to a possiblity that I'm wrong. I don't care.
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Sopharos said:
gluadys said:
As gluadys mentioned, the point you raised was one of the reasons Jewish theologians over the ages have thought that the first chapter of Genesis may be referring to periods of time that are substantially longer than 24-hour days. They also noted that Psalm 95 indicates that God's rest continues. Similarly, Hebrews 4 talks about God's continued rest from His labor of creation, and it points out that the disobedient shall not enter God's rest--but the people of God may enter God's rest.
Although the implication is that God's Sabbath rest continued at least through the time the Bible was written, I personally think the Bible can support either the YEC position that the universe is only a few thousand years old or the OEC position that the universe is billions of years old.
The fact that the Bible takes only 31 verses to discuss the entire creation process indicates that it was not as interested in stating emphatically how or when the universe was created as it was in telling us that the same awesome God that created the universe (and all matter and time as we know it) cares about us and loves us enough to make a way for us to spend eternity with Him.
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The Bible does not say precisely how long each יוֹם was. As I mentioned earlier, יוֹם can mean a 24-hour day, an age, an era or an unspecified period of time. As for the 7th day (which seems to be the principal point in your post), Genesis does not say it has ended. And Psalm 95 and Hebrews 4 appear to suggest that God's sabbath "day" of rest had continued until at least the time those respective books were written--which would mean the seventh day may have lasted for at least a few thousand years so far.....Crispie said:
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First of all, since Adam, there has been a record of how long people lived and how old they were when they had children (ex. Genesis 11:14, 32). So the lineage up to date is approximately 6,000 years old. The only place that I know that Gap Theorist (old age theory) try to put millions of years, is in the creation of Genesis.
It also doesn't fit in creation.
Of what I know, when million of years are inserted into the Bible they are inserted into the 7 days of creation. This creates a major problem with the day light cycles. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day (Gen 1:5). The literal meaning is: And evening was, and morning was, a day, one. If the first or if any of the other 7 days of creation were millions of years there would be thousands or million years of morning (day) then thousands or million years of evening (night). The Bible says evening and morning, not evenings and mornings. If there were thousands of years in creation, evening and morning would be plural not singular. This day light cycle would create a very different climate on opposite sides of the earth. The side that was exposed to morning would be insanely hot and the side with the evening would be insanely cold. I dont know of any animals that could withstand the kind of climates that would be created from this effect.
Also God created birds before reptiles. Birds and sea creatures were made on the fifth day (Genesis 1:20-23) and on the sixth day land animals and man were made (Genesis 1:24-31). Also there wasnt death before man ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil (or before he sinned). Therefore, just as though one man sin entered the world, and death through sin , and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned- (Romans 5:12). This means that nothing died before Adam sinned. So over the millions of years that Gap Theorist believe in, there would have been no death and no fossils. Constantly the Bible says that he created his creation, not that it evolved (Genesis 1:24, 25, 27). These are just a few things that refute the idea that evolution and the Bible are compatible.
It also doesn't fit in creation.
Of what I know, when million of years are inserted into the Bible they are inserted into the 7 days of creation. This creates a major problem with the day light cycles. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day (Gen 1:5). The literal meaning is: And evening was, and morning was, a day, one. If the first or if any of the other 7 days of creation were millions of years there would be thousands or million years of morning (day) then thousands or million years of evening (night). The Bible says evening and morning, not evenings and mornings. If there were thousands of years in creation, evening and morning would be plural not singular. This day light cycle would create a very different climate on opposite sides of the earth. The side that was exposed to morning would be insanely hot and the side with the evening would be insanely cold. I dont know of any animals that could withstand the kind of climates that would be created from this effect.
Also God created birds before reptiles. Birds and sea creatures were made on the fifth day (Genesis 1:20-23) and on the sixth day land animals and man were made (Genesis 1:24-31). Also there wasnt death before man ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil (or before he sinned). Therefore, just as though one man sin entered the world, and death through sin , and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned- (Romans 5:12). This means that nothing died before Adam sinned. So over the millions of years that Gap Theorist believe in, there would have been no death and no fossils. Constantly the Bible says that he created his creation, not that it evolved (Genesis 1:24, 25, 27). These are just a few things that refute the idea that evolution and the Bible are compatible.
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*pats you on the head* there there.
*pats you on the head* there there.
You've got a lot of explaining to do. Also, do you see that gen1 and 2 contradict each other? Blargh I'm not even gonna try to explain it to this one...
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