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Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by Tatu, Jun 6, 2006.

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  1. Optimax

    Optimax Senior Veteran

    Word of Faith
    Good Post Tatu! Take God's love to recognize this type of thing happening and show concern over it. :thumbsup:
  2. Christina M

    Christina M Guest

    Mark 14:7
    For you have the poor with you always, and whenever you wish you may do them good; but Me you do not have always.

    I believe that there will always be poor, just as there will always be those who are sick, and just as there will always be those who do not accept salvation.

    That is why we are instructed so often in scripture to gain wisdom and knowledge to prosper so we can help those in need. (It is hard to give when you barely have enough of your own.)

    Psalm 41:1
    Blessed is he who considers the poor; The Lord will deliver him in time of trouble.

    Proverbs 19:17
    He who has pity on the poor lends to the Lord, And He will pay back what he has given.

    Proverbs 28:27
    He who gives to the poor will not lack, But he who hides his eyes will have many curses.

    The part in red above is true with regard to corrupt governments and officials, and even Christians who ignore the need.

    Trish is correct in that Deut 28 lays it all out......clear as a bell. :)
  3. lismore

    lismore Maranatha

    United Kingdom
    The capitalist system. In order for a small number of people to be rich a greater number have to be poor.

  4. pdudgeon

    pdudgeon Traditional Catholic Supporter

    United States
    the very short answer to your question of why there is such poverty and hunger in the world is not because there isn't enough to go around. there is.

    God is our provider and He has provided enough for everyone here. But there are people in India who won't eat cattle, there are others in Africa, Europe, Asia and South America who have denuded the forrests and caused the destruction of the land as a result. There are tribes in Africa who won't accept shots of innoculation against disease that is under control or all but erradicated elsewhere, because they hold false ideas that the shots will cause sterility.

    the basic reason for all of this is because people have accepted a lie instead of the truth.:(

    how did Jesus put it? John 10:10 "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly."
  5. sherri

    sherri Well-Known Member


    I agree. The bible says that the devil comes to rob, steal and destroy. Put him as the head of your nation through worshipping other gods (the bible clearly states that there are only two sources of supernatural power, God and Satan) and guess whats going to happen. The bible says "See, I have put before you both life and death, blessing and cursing, choose life therefore so that you and your descendents may live."

    Think about wealth and poverty. Which are the richest nations and the ones with the most peace, best social structures etc in the world? The protestent christian nations. Which are next on the list. The catholic christian nations. Which are next. The ones that used to be christian but threw it away like russia and eastern europe. Which are next. The asian countries that worship buddah or are taoists etc (although the last two can be around the same level in some areas as a lot of modern asia has thrown out religion as well). Next. The Islamic segments. Which are the lowest on the scale. The ones that basically circle around tribal witchcraft like the african nations and the pacific islands.

    The root of the problem is worshipping satan. The closer you get to the root source the bigger your problems are, the closer you get to God, the more prosperous and blessed you become.
  6. Alpine

    Alpine Resident Sojourner


    I don't agree with that at all. You have to remember that in the middle ages the most powerful and wealthy nations in the world were the Muslim nations! Christian Europe was the 3rd world of that day. Does that mean that Christianity was false because the nations were not blessed?

    Look at this list of countries ranked by GNP. Japan is #2. China #6. South Korea #12. India #13. Taiwan is #16. Turkey #23. Indonesia #25. Thailand #26.

    All of those are nations where Christianity is a minoritiy religion. How do you explain those nations having powerful economies despite their religious status?
  7. Hisgirl

    Hisgirl Loved into Heaven by a Violent Act of Grace

    Tatu--good topic.

    When in Mexico, I saw many families living in squallor...but they were rich in Kingdom things. They loved Jesus and wore a smile on their face. I have a relative who is a millionaire. She eats like a queen. But she is kingdom poor.

    So my question to you would be, rich by whose standard?
  8. Kebisoni

    Kebisoni Veteran

    I think that that I fail to see the poor with God's eyes, and I tend to close my own to often. So that though I should have sight to help lead others ought of poverty - I choose to be blind.

    Yes, poverty is caused by war, by disobedience to God, by laziness and corruption - but it is also caused when not enough good people care enough about their brothers and sisters enough to offer a glass of water or help them find food and shelter.

    So why are there so many poor in the world? Because there are too many good people, like me, who simply aren't doing enough to help. We are so busy with other good things - that we rush by on the other side - and just hope a Good Samaritan turns up - because we know we won't be stopping our own lives. :eek: :(
  9. BenAdam

    BenAdam Pirate King Supporter

    I didn't say poverty was relative, I said wealth is. Thank you for posting some real statistics, and quite frankly they are staggering.

    Now for another Biblical perspective, material wealth isn't true wealth. Spiritual wealth is. Someone that is not well to do but gives anyway is wealthy, someone with everything that gives nothing is impovrished. We need to help take care of the truely needey my friend, that is why God has blessed us with money.
  10. SharonL

    SharonL Senior Veteran

    Well another prespective (which you won't like) is this.

    I have always helped the poor and needy - I've taken them in my house, I have gathered neighbors around to helped the needy, I've brought groceries into their homes, I've run around to grocery stores and got the veggies they can't sell and distribute them, I've found jobs for those that needed them, I've gone into their homes and cleaned, cooked for them, driven them to doctors, shopping, kids things, etc - now having said that - I've had one family pull themselves up and move on and tell us thank you - now you can go help someone else we can make it - ONE family over the last 50 years -

    Now I'm talking about families in the US where there is plenty to go around. It is a different story in third world countries where there is nothing for them.

    But I try to help in my own back yard and I give to churches that help other countries.

    But I don't see many here that I have helped that want to move on, but just want that hand out and someone to take care of them - now I am not being cruel - this is from experience.

    I begged this company to hire this lady whose husband was disabled so she could have some income - after obtaining the job for her - she tells me she would rather stay home - well "who wouldn't" - I didn't see any reason to bust my rear to help her when she didn't want to help herself. When I stopped helping - she called and said "have you given up on us" - I said no - you have given up on yourself.

    A lot of times things are not what they seem - some people just do not want to help themselves.
  11. Trish1947

    Trish1947 Free to Believe

    Word of Faith
    I think we need to get at the root of the problem. I saw a couple of weeks ago on the news that showed the food given to Africa sitting stacked in warehouses, and lying on the docks from all the faith based support, and the secular. It was stacked on the docks, stacked to the ceilings of warehouses, unfortunatley the local thugs were sitting there with machine guns, making sure no one got it. It had been seized by the local criminals that are running the show over there. I don't care how much you give, until this can be overcome, no one will eat.
    If Jesus said that poor you will have with you always, I don't think He meant its because we don't give enough. It's just that the problem that causes these things, which are many, will not be solved. But it does give opportunity to be generous in our giving. Maybe prayer about these evil governments that use withholding of food that has been given by the many to abtain power over these people, is where we need to start.
  12. Kebisoni

    Kebisoni Veteran

    Yes, I certainly didn't just mean that we need to give more financial help - I do give to developing countries and have worked there as a volunteer - every now and again though I reminded that I don't pray nearly enough for them (or give enough probably) - and I agree - prayer and God will ultimately change things - not money or man alone. This thread has just reminded me though - there is no use complaining I don't like what I see in the world if most of the time I blind myself to the problem and refuse to do anything about it. And I have a tendency to do that....I am sure I am not alone.

    There are many ways to help other than just money and prayer too - you can recycle stuff, give to charity shops, buy fair trade products, apply political pressure, run campaigns and fundraisers in church etc....I am just shocked at my recent apathy in this area. When I was younger I did far more.
  13. Christina M

    Christina M Guest

    Hey K...

    That is exactly how my ministry to the poor and homeless started!!

    I was sitting at a stoplight and saw a homeless tweeker-prostitute at the corner. I, as usual, said to myself... "Why doesn't she just get a job and off the streets?"..... all of a sudden a prayer bubbled up: "Lord, let me see her with YOUR eyes!!"

    God answered that prayer and the ministry was born in 1997! ;)

  14. Kebisoni

    Kebisoni Veteran

    Great prayer Christina!! One we should all adopt every day....:thumbsup:
  15. Christina M

    Christina M Guest


    Sad to say, SharonL, this can be so true.

    We see it alot in our ministry.

    We find we need to educate them more on how much more they can have (spirit, soul and body) if they get out there and WORK... once they do, their self-esteem rises, they feel good they have bettered themselves and now are participants in life instead of takers.

    It is so wonderful to see the glorious transformations! :clap: And yes, it is heartbreaking to see those who don't transform. :sigh:
  16. Christina M

    Christina M Guest


    You're right, Trish!

    It is a battle that has to be attacked SPIRITUALLY as well as PHYSICALLY.
  17. Andrew

    Andrew Well-Known Member

    There are a thousand and one reasons why some people are poor and some are rich -- from laziness to corruption to rejection of the Gospel to lack of wisdom to tithing to lack of grace to wars...

    Personally, I believe the main reason is the gospel. Where the gospel has gone to and been received, people of that nation generally prosper. Of cse, there are 'exceptions'.

    All I know is that it is God's will for us to prosper and be in health, and that prosperity and health are in the atonement. It's just that these blessings don't exactly fall automatically on your lap just becos you are a believer.
  18. sherri

    sherri Well-Known Member


    I don't know where australia is rated on that list but I've been to korea and they immigrate here for a reason. And china is above canada on that list. So the average chinese person enjoys a better standard of living and a better social struture then canada? Really?

    I know who has a better standard of living for the average person out of Japan and Australia/America and Britain too regardless of their GNP.

    And the muslim nations being more wealthy and powerful then europe in the middle ages :scratch: Hello! Have you ever looked at the castles and ciites of europe pre-renassaince and compared them with the middle east?
  19. Tenebrae

    Tenebrae A follower of The Way

    Ok you can "relative trash" all you like... However the fact remains is that a family in a western country can not have enough for all the basics, however the money they have, would still feed familes in an african nation

    Build a bridge, its a fact
  20. seekthetruth909

    seekthetruth909 Veteran


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