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Ode to the nice guys

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Got this from http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~jenf/writing/rant04.html

Ode to the Nice Guys
This rant was written for the Wharton Undergraduate Journal

This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and *****ing about what *******s guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious” between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!” And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.

The nice guys don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative *****es. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, he’s too nice to date” or “he would be a good boyfriend but he’s not for me” or “he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask him out!” or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.” Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.

Fu-zu Jen, SEAS/WH, 2003
 

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Good rant. But let's not forget that there are the jerks out there that portray themselves as nice guys, luring the nice girls seeking nice guys into their little world, and then turning out to be not so nice, thus corrupting the girl's view of all other guys, whether they be genuinely nice or not. Nice guys got it bad, I know. But so do the nice girls. A nice girl would be protective of herself from a seemingly nice guy, and then when he turns out not so nice then she's the one to blame for not being nice to that supposedly nice guy in the beginning. Both sexes have to suffer for the jerks of the opposite sex who pretend to be nice and get the blame for it. Not all nice guys are the same, and not all girls are illogical manipulative uh...well, you know.

But otherwise, yeah, good rant. I can rant too lol.
 
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the_man said:
Hehe, good comprehensive rant. I just wonder why a guy would put himself thru so much abuse :scratch:

Because he thinks that some day a woman will appreciate him for it. Because he won't accept the idea that everything he thinks he knows about women is wrong. Because well-meaning people, usually other women, keep telling him that he is so sweet for doing all that. Because he sees it as a ministry.
 
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OhhJim said:
Because he thinks that some day a woman will appreciate him for it. Because he won't accept the idea that everything he thinks he knows about women is wrong. Because well-meaning people, usually other women, keep telling him that he is so sweet for doing all that. Because he sees it as a ministry.

I guess he will have to live and learn. :)
 
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the_man said:
Hehe, good comprehensive rant. I just wonder why a guy would put himself thru so much abuse :scratch:
Which is why I quit being so nice. I'm still a gentleman, but I'm not going to be a (expletive describing prison servant).
 
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the_man said:
Hehe, good comprehensive rant. I just wonder why a guy would put himself thru so much abuse :scratch:

Because if you TRULY love someone (Agape) then you will do ANYTHING to enshure their happyness.

And if this guy's rant does not fit my own life quite a bit, other than the references to sex, and the fowl language, its scarry.
 
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Apart from the reference to sex, and the language, I think that is a fine tribute to all the blokes who get labelled "nice guys".

It annoys me to often as well. I use to wish I could be more edgy and hard, then I might "get somewhere", and not be the underestimated, undermind one. But hey, as one guy here said, that's just the way I'm wired. I couldn't be anything else, and don't think i'd want to be.

Besides, the world needs guys like us.
 
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Forever trying said:
Apart from the reference to sex, and the language, I think that is a fine tribute to all the blokes who get labelled "nice guys".

It annoys me to often as well. I use to wish I could be more edgy and hard, then I might "get somewhere", and not be the underestimated, undermind one. But hey, as one guy here said, that's just the way I'm wired. I couldn't be anything else, and don't think i'd want to be.

Besides, the world needs guys like us.

Yeah, I used to wonder often if I'd have more success if were less "nice," but it was just too difficult for me to consciously change myself like that. I don't think anything less than shock therapy will keep me from my ways and, as others have said, I don't want to leave them anymore.
 
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Forever trying said:
It annoys me to often as well. I use to wish I could be more edgy and hard, then I might "get somewhere", and not be the underestimated, undermind one. But hey, as one guy here said, that's just the way I'm wired. I couldn't be anything else, and don't think i'd want to be.

Besides, the world needs guys like us.

I think trying to be more edgy/hard is an example of faking it. That's fake masculinity. What we are talking about is not putting yourself thru unnecessary pain because you want to please the people around you. That's not even nice, that's just down-right whimpy. Most guys wouldn't take the run around from their guy friends, but for a woman, they will bow to her every whim, that's what we are talking about. No man should take that **** from a woman (and for the women reading, no woman should take it from a man).
 
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Forever trying said:
I use to wish I could be more edgy and hard, then I might "get somewhere", and not be the underestimated, undermind one.

Besides, the world needs guys like us.

I did do that and guess what...same result. That doesn't work out, it only works for a season. I'll stick with the nice guy style because when there is a nice girl in the equation then... Nice guy + Nice girl = Nice boy & girl friend.

Life is too short and throws enough curve balls on its own without getting crossed up with the wrong type of person.

IMHO, people put too much emphasis on "finding the right one" when they should "be the right one."
 
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Well, as The-Man said, as much as sometimes we may wish in our heads, pretending to be something your not is the cowards way out.

I actually haven't tried it. But I think fellas, if we did, we'd just get discovered in the end for being an imposter. Then you'd lose your self respect, and the respect of others. Besides, perhaps God intended us to be the way we are for a reason. You know, the whole yin and yang thing, the good opposing the bad, two peas in a pod, etc.

Boyo! I should really work on my philosophy, lol.
 
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the_man said:
Hehe, that's easily breakable. What if their happiness is for you to leave them alone?

Leaving them alone also can be a way of showing AGAPE love to that person. After all, AGAPE love is defined as doing what's best for the other.
I've a friend of the opposite sex demonstrate AGAPE love to me too but i got the wrong idea, thought she liked me. Well, she does like me but i guess not what i was thinking. She was just demonstrating AGAPE love. And yes, i testify that it exists because i've experienced it.
 
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*lifts his glass* Cheers, and a hearty nod of agreement... even though I have been learning to not really care about that.

Yeah, we nice guys may finish last, but that's only because we have more food on our plate that we have to go through. And I like what someone said about shifting our focus from FINDING the right one to BEING the right one...

For me, integrity and being myself is key. If that means I'm an over-nice fop who is always taken for granted, then I guess that's what it means. If it means that I am perceived as a doormat - which I am not - then I suppose they can perceive me like that. If they find me eccentric or just plain weird, then I cheer them on. Because I am the guy God has made me to be, and anything different would make me feel like such an imposter.
 
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