OCD vs Spiritual Oppression

[Sasha37]

So what is your experience if you don't mind sharing it?? No worries if you don't want to, though. I think you are very right in what you are saying. God is making this very clear to me. Thank you

 

[djynar8]

Hi! I am new to the forum. I was just wondering if anyone on the forum takes meds for the OCD?

 

[Sasha37]

There are people that do and those that don't. Some take prescription meds, and some take a more natural route like magnesium, fish or flax seed oil, and inositol is another one that I have never tried but has had some good results with people I have talked to. Take a look at one of the earlier posts titled 'Gaba and Ginkgo Biloba for OCD?' There is some good info on there. Hope that helps. And welcome!

 

[djynar8]

Thanks for much for the reply! I will check out that post. Thanks for the welcome as well.

 

[Christian-Catholic]

I have been taking meds now for 6 months as my ocd was and still is very bad.

 

[martha_deane]

I have been taking meds now for 6 months as my ocd was and still is very bad.

I've been a Christian for years.I have OCd laately I feel plum evil. like something is trying to take me over.I have fears of sinning against the Holy Ghost with my mind.I get so scared then I ve been feeling like i just don't care anymore this causes me greatr distress.I don;t know what has happened to me.My mind worries about sinning against the Holy Ghost and then I feel like I wish I would have I've completely went crazy.then i start obsessing over feeling that way.I'm a born again Christian and I want to do God's will.I feel like something has possesed me Please help me Jesus I'm in soooooo much distress and anxiety that I wish I could just die somebody please help me I'm afraid that evil is taking over and I want Jesus

 

[Sasha37]

Have you thought about starting a new thread with this? This is an old thread that not many will look at anymore. I know there are others who can understand your particular issue here and will want to help. So consider doing that, okay? I will pray for you!

 

[justpassingthrough21]

Hey Martha, I tried sending you a private message you but haven't had a reply from you yet. I see your new to the site any maybe don't know how to read those yet? Anyways i'll just write you on here. I saw in an earlier post you had received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I have also and so have a few other people in this forum.

I know for me personally, having already received the baptism of the HS and received the gift of speaking in tongues, it made the thoughts way more anxiety provoking. Thinking that I had such an amazing gift and manifestation of the HS in my life, and I was having the horrid thoughts. I thought once you received the baptism, then you were "extra" protected. Well that was totally silly and unbiblical thinking on my part. I found that I was just as prone as anyone else was to these thoughts.

For me at the beginning was the worst, the emotional pain was off the charts almost unbearable, and when I was having panic/anxiety attacks from the thoughts, praying in the spirit would oftentimes make the anxiety completely melt away. It reminded me that God was in me, and I believe a supernatural peace. I felt cold, hard, and that all of the love in me had been squeezed out, and I really didn't know what to say to God most of the time. So I would turn to praying in tongues, the Bible says in 1 Cor. 14:2:

2For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

also in Jude 1:20

20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

When you know not what to pray because of your anxiety, fear or the constant mental battle may make you feel cold and emotionless; know that praying in the Spirit is unfruitful to your mind but God knows exactly what you are saying. And you may not know exactly what you need to overcome this battle, but the Holy Spirit does. Also when you feel doubt streaming into your mind, and your faith seems like its fading away, praying in the Spirit helps build you up your faith.

The Holy Spirit will not ever leave you. I have thought the most horrid thoughts, and have been so cold and faithless. And God is raising me up, my faith is in all honesty, stronger than it has ever been. Every day is a chance for me to trust in God. You may feel like everything has been lost and it will never be the same. That is partially true. Nothing has been lost because our God always restores, but it will never be the same... actually it will be 100 times better than you have ever known! Mountain tops are always sweeter when you have been in a deep valley. My faith is pretty much unmovable and unbreakable now.

Don't feel horrible about doubts or questioning. If you want to relate to someone in the Bible, read Psalms 73 by the Psalmist Asaph. There were only 3 Psalmists for the whole nation of Israel. And Asaph had some serious doubts about God, and he wrote about it in the 73rd Psalm. And you will see that God didn't judge him, or punish Him. But actually re-opened his mind and heart to see God once again.

Press on!

 

[Sasha37]

Ah...and there he is. Somehow, I knew he'd come through for you. You're in good hands my dear!

 

[martha_deane]

Thank you all so so much!!!! now I'm worried that something bad like my kids getting sick or dying will send me over the edge.And what if that happens while im having these thoughts and i really do blashme the Holy Ghost?i wont know where the thoughts are from me or my ocd do any of u guys take medicine?does it help?My mind has went crazy my cussed against the Holy Ghost and I was angry when it happened then I got scared.I started begging God to forgive me.Well I spoke in tongues for a while,and then I started feeling like I just did'nt care that I could hurt the Holy Ghost any time I wanted and I was glad I did.This is tearing me apart.I don't know if there ia demon on me or what but I've never felt these kind of feelings about the Holy Ghost before.I'm in so much disstree over it I feel like dying what is wrong with me.I feel like an evil spirit is trying to take me over please help me Jesus please save me from this hell that has took me over i cant live like this anymore this is not me I was doing in church going 3x a week i feel like i've lost my mind these are unwanted thought and feelings

 

[Sasha37]

Inositol seems to be one I hear works well. Justpassingthrough21 knows where you can get it for a good price, and it is a more natural medicine than the prescription meds that the doc will prescribe. I do not take anything other than all natural stuff myself, like fish oil, magnesium (500mg per day), and Bach Rescue Remedy. This is enough for me, but you might want to look into Inositol as well. There may be some people on here that actually take it that can give you some good advice. You could start a new thread if you like asking if anyone takes that particular med and if they can give more info on it. Wish I could be more help.

Be still in the Lord. He loves you so much, and He will carry you through to victory with this if you will trust in Him to do it. This I promise you...there is ALWAYS hope when you have God's spirit in you because you are already victorious through Him. God bless you! Still praying

 

[hollyda]

Medication is one way to treat OCD, but it really needs to be treated both medically and a psychologically.

I have been on 100mg of Luvox for about 10 years and 20mg of Paxil for a year, both for OCD. The medications assist in leveling the chemical misfirings in the brain and make the obsessive thoughts seem less dangerous, but I didn't really start getting better until I picked up a few tools to throw at my OCD whenever it spiked.

Coping Mechanisms That I Find Helpful

1) Don’t fight the thoughts—fighting the thoughts only gives them power. Just let them be there, if nothing else. Welcome them. They’re not you, and they’re not real. When you feel particularly obsessive, try to be as obsessive as possible. Try to get your thoughts to throw you something heavy. By welcoming your obsessions, you’re saying, “I’m not afraid of you,” and inadvertently stripping their power.

2) Thinking something horrible doesn't make it a reality. I can think "I'm rich and famous" and that won't make me rich or famous. Thoughts are on a different playing field.

3) Don’t catastrophize or terrible-ize your thoughts. They can’t hurt you. They won’t kill you.

4) Get angry. Tell the thoughts they’re idiotic. Scream at them if you must. After all, this is your life and they are not welcome.

5) If you’re stuck on a certain obsessive scenario, go ahead and play it out in your head. You’ll realize the action you’re seeing is not at all something you would do. Your mind is rejecting the thought for a reason -- it rationalizes this isn't who I am, and therefore tries to fight it with evidence that, "I'm not like this!" -- which gives the thought power. Once you come to grips with the fact that your thought is separate from yourself, you'll have a better time dealing with intrusive thoughts.

6) Think of obsessive thoughts as boggarts from Harry Potter. If you’re unfamiliar with Harry Potter, boggarts are an unseen force that takes shape of whatever you fear the most—it can be anything (germs), any insecurity (weight, appearance), any scenario (violent, abusive), but when push comes to shove, it’s all caused by the boggart. Boggarts in Harry Potter are diffused by turning the creature into something funny. Do this to your obsession—laugh at it, because it's ridiculous.

7) If you’re worried about something, you don’t need to worry about it. This is the same as, “I’m afraid of spiders, so naturally I’m not going to intentionally throw myself into a spider web.”

8) Don’t keep your thoughts in your head, if at all possible.* Whatever you’re thinking, it’s not you. It doesn’t make you bad, wrong, or evil—it’s involuntary, and you can’t control what you think anymore than you can control what you dream or how other people drive their vehicles. If you have someone in your life that you trust, trust them with this. It helps more than I can describe.
*at the same time, don't allow confessing to become a compulsion. I found I was confessing my thoughts to my fiance because I felt as long as he said I was fine, I was. I have to learn to be comfortable with the fact that as an obsessive compulsive, I am allowed to be obsessive compulsive. Don't chastise yourself for something you can't control.

 

[justpassingthrough21]

Like Sasha said, inositol is very natural. It is actually vitamin b8. I haven't tried it out, but I will be buying some here in a little bit. I can help minimize the physical symptoms, but you will need to trust in the Lord to cut this thing down at its roots.

 

[justpassingthrough21]

Pertaining to the first thing you mentioned, I also had those exact feelings. I was so down, I thought that if their was any catastrophic event that happened in my life, it would push me over the edge. Since I felt like I was just barely hanging onto God by a thread. Thoughts are a pretty unique thing. Their are thoughts you purposely think, and ones that burst into your mind without warning. At first I couldn't tell what was me and what was OCD type thoughts, but over time I was able to recognize them. You know that a thought is not from you, when you are trying everything you can to make them stop, and they just keep coming. Brother Hagin said " You can't keep a bird from landing on your head, but you can keep it from making a nest their".

Their are going to be a lot of things that you feel like you just don't care about. Blasphemous thoughts have a way of trying to smother the love and desire to serve God right out of you. But regardless of how you feel you press on. I'm sure Jesus didn't like the feeling of having the sins of the entire world on His shoulders, and i'm sure he didn't like sweating blood in the Garden of Gathsemane, or being nailed to the cross. But he pressed on despite his feelings, looking for His reward.

You were probably like me, and from the moment you got saved, you were enraptured with awesome feelings, full of love and the strongest desire in the world know and be known by God. Of course it is easy to follow God when all is well, but when storms come upon you, thats where it really matters. We had a guest minister at our church, and he said "Some Christians get the chances to become heros, and some don't". He was referring to people who undergo extremely difficult trials in their Christian walk, and make it through with their faith intact. I use to think "why me", but now I realize I get the chance to be a hero for God. Without these trials I would be just another Christian riding on my emotional highs, never having any tough battles to challenge my faith. The Bible is full of hero's, not average shmoes.

Don't think you are possessed that is just a lie. The devil is going to keep feeding you lies if he knows you will keep falling for them. You have to constantly compare your thoughts to Gods word, if they don't match up, then you refuse to accept it. Nowhere in the Bible are Spirit filled believers possessed by demons. But you are most certainly under attack, just like every other Christian walking this earth. I believe obsessive minds are a physical human thing, but I also believe the devil will take whatever weakness he can find in you and try to take you down with it. Everyone has a weakness, ours happens to be our minds. But you can turn this weakness into your greatest strength.

Everything you said is exactly how I felt for the first 6 months. I had been fighting the battle for about 15 months now. How I kind of progressed was like this. The first thing I overcame was I finally believed that I hadn't committed the unpardonable sin. Until you truly believe that, it will be impossible to move forward with God. Once I learned the truth, I was able to start growing. I started learning that the thoughts were not my own, and God wasn't mad at me for them. This took all of the fear out of the thoughts, and I eventually stopped having them completely. I never have blasphemous thoughts, I could go months and not have 1. Once the thoughts were gone, I still had this immense guilt, and also a fear of God. An ungodly fear, where if I read the Bible or went to church I would feel immense anxiety. This was because the anxiety I felt from the blasphemous thoughts, kind of rooted itself in my mind. For me I am trying to uproot the ungodly fear and anxiety, and plant those seeds of love back in.

Their is definetly a part you play. The Holy Spirit isn't going to take over your body and fix everything. The walk of faith is like a dance. You take a step, then God takes a step, and back and forth. As you grow in faith, and learn how to overcome the thoughts, stay in prayer, stay active in your church, continue to thank and praise God, then God will began to move on your behalf. You will see the light at the end of the tunnel, and start to come out of your valley.

 

[Danny34]

Exactly as what justpassingthrough21 said, exactly like that. Jeremiah 29:11 says "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end."(expected end as in a good end, a blessed future that He expects). OCD comes from this earth, its not a demon inside of you because the Holy Spirit, the living spirit of God Himself is inside of you since the day you accepted Him! Satan sees that you have this earthly sickness and messes with you, whispering lies and disturbing tribulations. 1 Peter 5:8-11 says:" Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings. 10 And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast. 11 To him be the power for ever and ever. Amen."
Spiritual opression + Earthly sickness. Destroy those roots that have grown in your mind, those thoughts of negativity and guilt, thoughts of depression and disturbing thoughts, and plant in the love and kindness of God, as everybody in our religion has told us many times to always: Read the Bible, Pray to God, Praise Him. This sickness won't go in a week or in an expected time, but you'll see yourself and will thank Jesus Christ for all that He has done.
Read the numerous passages in the Bible of the story of Jesus, our Lord and Savior, how He cast out demons, and these demons begged and cried to Him not to do anything to them. They bow down by the mentioning of His name. HIS NAME.
Matthew 6:25-34 Jesus talks about Anxiety, and the conclusion that He states is: "But seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you(food,water,clothing,all things you request upon God). (Matthew 6:33)
Don't believe in Satan's lies, because you know what God Has said in His words. Tell satan to go away, shut up, "THIS IS MY BODY." "Lies lies lies, can't you tell me something else?" "Wow really? That's disgusting." "No it's not." "Okay." "Sure."

Do you catch my drift?

I've said this lots of times and it has helped me relax and make my mind and body healthier: get omega 3 fish oil, Magnesium and Calcium, avoid milk and cheese(eat atleast once every two weeks and then lower it down), avoid fast food and junk food. All these things are proven to have great effect on your mind and body to derive depression, anxiety, panic attacks, and the such.
Remember, seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, He does not point fingers nor does he think evil thoughts toward you(harmful,deceptive,angry). Jesus Christ healed thousands upon thousands in the Bible, look for him just like the people in the Bible did, with all your faith, and ask Him to heal you, for if you ask, you shall receive. (Matthew 21:22, Luke 11:9).

"and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32)

 

[VZ2011]

Extreme spiritual fearfulness (over blasphemy & going to hell) & doubting (even while you are pursing God, reading his word, and in prayer)are forms of spiritual OCD. They and other racing negative fearful thoughts are the result of a vitamin deficiency which causes a chemical imbalance in the brain and is treatable with extreme daily doses of vitamines. If you or a loved one experience extreme spiritual fearfulness, OCD or schizophrenia tendancies (paranoia, visual hallucinations, hearing voices), depression, insomnia, racing thoughts, panic attacks, anxiety, other mental distresses, do yourself a favor and reasearch depression, schizophrenia, OCD vitamin and orthomolecular therapy and the work of a canadian doctor named Abram Hoffer. Basically he developed a treatment (that truly WORKS) with Vitamines. It's a minimal cost to incur to invest in your physical and mental AND SPIRITUAL wellness. I am not peddling anyone's vitamines. You can get any brand at Walmart or a grocery store or a vitamine store on line. These Vitamin supplements have been a tremendous help to my relative and myself who continue to experience greater and greater healing each day that we continue with this vitamine therapy. Relief comes within the first couple of days and continues as you continue to take the vitamine supplements. You must take them for the rest of your life or risk a relapse.

1000 mg niacian daily (get a combination of flush-free and regular niacin) the regular will cause you to flush--(you will get red and hot but this means it is working--the longer it takes you to flush the more you needed it. the redness goes away in about 15 minutes. The flush-free niacin will not make you flush. If you start to feel nauceaous, lower the dosage or skip a day altogether with it, then take a "normal" dosage, like 100-500 mg. An extremely high dose like 1000-2000 is for when things get extremely uncontrollable and it should only be temporary. It's too much to take regularly. After a day or two you could start to feel naucious from that much, but it will jumpstart the seratonin in your brain to help you relax and control your thoughts, then you can lower it to 500.

2000-3000 mg Vitamine C take 1000 mg 3x a day

HTP5 - At least 100 mg daily

Vitamine B 8 - (inisitol) - 10-18g per day depending on severity of your OCD (it's alot but take it)

Vitamine B combo vitamine 2 or 3 per day (with B1, B6, B12)

Essential Omega Fats (with fish oil and flax) take 2-3 per day.

Results will be notable within a day or two, with the greatest results starting at around 6 weeks of taking these.

Swear off all junk food, all artificial sweetners, all refined white sugar products, all alcohol, eat GOOD NUTRITIOUS FOOD, fresh and frozen vegetables, fruits, unsweetned fruit juice, filtered water or spring water, cut down on caffeine. Going gluetin free is also good but it's not necessary for everyone.

Please research these things on line yourself as I am not allowed to post URLs on this site. I would have posted them if I could have.

Please, also understand that you must honor Jesus Christ and trust his shed blood and ressurection fully for salvation. Read the word daily and pray, and live according to biblical principals and this along with proper nutrition, will eliminate spiritual OCD and extreme spiritual fearfulness.