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I will and do pray for you. Actually, I went to a well-known psychologist in my area on the advice of my doctor's nurse practitioner a while back. He diagnosed me as being bi-polar without the mania. My minister friend, who definitely agrees with the diagnosis of OCD ( I was diagnosed about 6-7 years ago), isn't so sure that is accurate. Some medicines work better for some people than they do for others. I know that it can be tricky trying to get the right one. I've heard that it takes a good 6 weeks to get into the system well enough to notice if it's working or not. Is your therapist a Christian? I've read that some prefer to see a counselor who is not a Christian because they deal with mental disorders from a completely medical perspective. Others prefer a Christian counselor because he/she should know what they are talking about when they talk about worrying over not being saved, etc. Personally, I didn't talk to the psychologist I saw the last time about my struggles with salvation at all. I am someone who needs Christian counseling by someone who understands the medical side as well. I know how very terrifying it is to be hounded by the doubts about being truly saved. You can tell people that you are a Christian, but inside, the doubts make you feel as if you are a liar. I have called church prayer lines and asked for prayer, gone to the altar repeatedly, and prayed probably hundreds of times to be saved when I've been alone, but no internal breakthrough was reached during any of this. I've talked to some who've told me it's the devil, some who've told me that I'm not really a Christian, and some who have sympathized and wanted me to have the peace I so desperately wanted for myself. I've been beyond feeling convicted to the point to where I felt condemned. When someone feels conviction, it is God drawing them to Him to turn them away from the wrong path to the right one. Condemnation has no hope. That was absolutely me, no hope. Shannon, there really is hope. As I said in an earlier post, I still don't feel secure, but I choose to praise God and go on. This is the one way of keeping my sanity and hopefully, breaking this cycle which kept me bound in invisible chains for so very long. I just have to take God at His Word. That's what faith is anyway. I want the feelings to go along with them, but I just don't have them. Sometimes I think I might have some, but I can't tear scripture apart like I used to, seeing me in every verse that talked about someone who was eternally lost. I encourage you to read the scriptures that talk about God's love for you. Read the Psalms. That's about my favorite. I mostly read the Psalms. Many times David felt as if God had abandoned Him, but he usually ends out declaring his faith in Him regardless. At other times, he's singing God's praises because He has seen him through. God isn't an evil tyrant like we so often have pictured Him. He wouldn't have sent Jesus to die on the cross for us if He had no interest in our lives. Again, I do pray for you and I understand.

Rebecca
Thank you. I didnt realize you had wrote me and I just wrote you in the other post where you were dealing with panic attacks. The paster Ive been talking to now is showing me great things, is encouraging and helping me alot. He knows from what fear we are coming from and he is, for free, willing to talk to me once or twice a week.He is very familer with OCD symtoms and fear, doubt in general and has been showing me more of who God is. He is Love and Holy. And now I no a little more of what grace is. I use to know the definition of grace but I now see a little clearer that He has given me (us) a free gift that even I, cant mess up by doubting or fearing. It is wonderful. Not that I am entirely seeing it all but I hope I am slowly getting it. I told him that I feel better after talking to him on the phone but it doesnt always last and that he knows why...that saten is our enemy and if I lie passive and believe his lies that, while I wont "unsave" myself, I will surely be miserable. That, we can get rightously angry at him and tell him that I dont have to listen to the lies anymore. That God has paid the price for me and I am a child of God. I wish I could explain things and word things better but that is the jist of it all. I hope to grow and I think we all will if we continue on and fight the good fight (somewhere I know it refers to that in the Bible). Well, I may not be as happy tomorrow or the next day but God does not change and I will be as saved and as safe as I feel tonight...I hope you have a good night and Ill check this thing before I go in for the night! -Shannon
 
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Hey Shannon! I just wanted to see how you are doing. I've not logged in for a while, and I don't have much time to write right now. I wanted to check up on you though.

Blessings,
Rebecca
Hi Rebecca. I missed you.! I had to get a new password and stuff cause I misplaced mine. how have you been? I have been up and down.However...I have had great encouragement and things are good right now. I am back to work. I have gained so much weight from these bi polar drugs...they make me constantly hungry. I have to utilize some self control!!! any ways, i want to know how you are doin when you have time.. Its nice to hear from you though. didnt want to lose contact with you.--Shannon
 
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Hi Shannon! I've had my ups and downs too, but I realize that people who don't have OCD do also. I'm glad to hear that you're back at work. I know what you mean about the weight gain. I always gained on anti-depressants. My doctor's nurse practitioner said that the medicine in itself didn't make people gain weight, but that it causes us to crave foods high in carbs, which in turn causes weight gain. Are you still able to see your pastor? It sounds as if he is compassionate and understanding. That's really great. I hope you have a wonderful Christmas, especially knowing that the one we are celebrating loves us so dearly.

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Hi Shannon! I've had my ups and downs too, but I realize that people who don't have OCD do also. I'm glad to hear that you're back at work. I know what you mean about the weight gain. I always gained on anti-depressants. My doctor's nurse practitioner said that the medicine in itself didn't make people gain weight, but that it causes us to crave foods high in carbs, which in turn causes weight gain. Are you still able to see your pastor? It sounds as if he is compassionate and understanding. That's really great. I hope you have a wonderful Christmas, especially knowing that the one we are celebrating loves us so dearly.

Rebecca
Merry Christmas Rebecca!!! Yes, I agree it is not my meds making me gain weight but it does make me crave starchy hi carb foods. Just another battle in this life I suppose! Yes, the paster I found counsels me over the phone, I found him on a website, maybe youve heard of it. Ill try and post the link here. He is very encouraging and insightful as far the things of the Lord and ocd too. And also how the enemy will reak havok and try to get us (me at least) to believe things like "I dont know if I am believeing or trustingin Him". You know the whole routine. Those looping thoughts that go no where except to the end of your nerves. He, the paster has explained the obvioous reassurance stuff to me, like an unbeliever wouldnt even have any interest in these things and is showing me more of how my perception of God is distorted and how the enemy will also use that against me too. The enemy is always full of lies. Anyways, I am, thankfully more calm lately and I will try not to anaylize it but just to be thankful for it and learn more of what the Lord wants me to know. Do you find that ocders or just for whatever reason that you, yourself are overly analytical. I tend to be, its not pretty. Oh, yeah, meant to tell you, I started reading the psalms alot too. They are awesome. I love how when youre down our God will always lift us back up. Thats the best way I can think of to say it. I am actually quite thankful that i started reading them from the beginning. I use to jump around but I am actually calm enough to read them in order. Does that make sense to you. I also am reading John for the second time. I think my favorite parts are right around where Jesus raises Lazareth from the dead. It shows how compassionate and obtainable Christ really is. Well, I hope you have a good Christmas and maybe Ill here from ya even before then. If not Happy Holidays!!!!! -shannon
 
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Hi. I am new here. I am a Christian. I struggle with ongoing and looping thoughts that really torture me. Like thoughts such as... "do I really believe" or do I believe in my heart. or do I really have faith. I know I believe that I am a sinner, I know Christ died for sinners. I just get tortuted and I mean tortured with the thought, Have I put my trust in Him. I know I want to and I have cried out to him but I cannot relax in Jesus. I keep having repetitive thoughts about not being saved somehow because I might not secretly be trusting Him. Its like a nagging little thought cycle that wants me to always question my salvation. Also because of this I am afraid of Jesus coming back lest I not have all this figured out. Please help me. I have not gone to work in a month, been hospitalized for 2 wks, and been diagnosed with bi polar but sounds laately like more like an ocd that I have. I jusst want to trust Jesus and know I am and grow in Him. My thoughts are terrible.
I understand. I'm sorry that you're going through this. This is one of my main struggles right now. I'm scared also that I havn't accepted Jesus right. :( God bless you and help you through this struggle.
 
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IfHEis4me, I wanted to let you know that I do understand so very well. Because of the name you log in under, I wanted to quote a couple of scriptures I looked up. They are in Psalm 118:6a-7a. They say, "The Lord is on my side; I will not fear." and, "The Lord is for me among those who help me." I'm unsure if you chose your user name do to feeling like maybe God is for others, but not you, or if it came from scripture that says, "If God is for us, who can be against us?", but God is definitely for you and every other person. Our feelings can tell us otherwise, but feelings lie A LOT! Especially to people with OCD! I encourage you to continue to read and post on this site. There are many others who have experienced, and still are experiencing, much of what you yourself are going through. God has promised to not abandon us, and He won't. He is good to His Word. Shannon, Hi! That's great that you are still talking by phone with the pastor who understands scrupulosity. It's actually showing God's hand in your life I believe. I thought no one understood what I was going through, not really. When my mother was going through it many years ago, hardly no one seemed to understand. Her dad told her to snap out of it. There was no internet to connect her to others who understood and could help. Still, God saw her through miraculously, but it's not as difficult now to connect to people who really feel or have felt what we are feeling or felt. That's something to be thankful for in itself. Yes, I do analyze so much. In fact, I feel lazy when I try not to analyze things. But, I've learned that when I analyze things, I tend to get myself into a big mess, so I just have to let it go. I used to hear messages in church a lot that terrified me. It would be something I had thought or said to God perhaps that very week, or even that day, and it would be like God was answering me in the pastor's message, or a tract that I found in a bathroom, or a sign painted on the side of the rode saying, "Trust Jesus", and I would feel God was confirming that I indeed was lost from Him. I've had to get to the point to where I don't start analyzing it and where I just take it to God and say, "Okay, this is how I feel, but I confess Jesus as the Bible says, and I'm just taking You at Your Word." That's all I can do. I believe He is teaching me more about His real character as a loving Father as opposed to the taskmaster image I had of Him. My sister has a beautiful picture of a large, open hand holding an open, tiny one. It has a lovely verse on it and represents an all powerful, yet gentle, father who is taking care of his child. He has us in his more than capable hands. I still do stress about things. In fact, I stressed early this morning over stuff while it was still dark outside. Used to though, I would've gotten up and prayed about it and stressed some more. This morning however, I just went back to sleep. I realize that is what I have to do because the other way, I was just not functioning well. I want to be open when God has put something on my heart to pray about, etc., but I can't run with it because I do end up running in circles in my head and getting nowhere. In another post, you mentioned about the non-Christian psychiatrist you are seeing. Maybe you should just tell them about what you are experiencing due to salvation fears and repetitive thoughts. Actually, I wrote things down as I would think them when I was going through the worst of it. It would've been too overwhelming for me to have said all of that to my psychologist. He was a Christian, but he realized that I was saying the same things over and over again, just in different ways. I know how scary it can be when you think the specialist could get the diagnosis wrong, be shocked by what you tell them, or think you are crazy because they think salvation is not real anyway, but you've got to be completely honest or it's likely he/she can't give you the right diagnosis because they are missing a lot of the information they are basing that diagnosis on. Sometimes also, it may take several tries before we find someone who can really help us. I saw a Christian psychologist, and he did tell me I had OCD, but he couldn't prescribe medication for it. He sent me to a non-Christians psychiatrist, not to counsel with me, but who could prescribe medicine for OCD. Well, I need to go for now. Have a blessed day!

Rebecca
 
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I understand. I'm sorry that you're going through this. This is one of my main struggles right now. I'm scared also that I havn't accepted Jesus right. :( God bless you and help you through this struggle.
I just wanted to let you know you are not alone. and that there is a verse in the Bible that says seek and ye will find knock and the door shall be opened. This verse always helps me to cling to his word and tells me that no matter how I feel that everything will be okay, just keep seeking him and seeking help for your doubts and fears. I am still struggling but He says that He shall cast noone out that comes to Him. --shannon
 
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IfHEis4me, I wanted to let you know that I do understand so very well. Because of the name you log in under, I wanted to quote a couple of scriptures I looked up. They are in Psalm 118:6a-7a. They say, "The Lord is on my side; I will not fear." and, "The Lord is for me among those who help me." I'm unsure if you chose your user name do to feeling like maybe God is for others, but not you, or if it came from scripture that says, "If God is for us, who can be against us?", but God is definitely for you and every other person. Our feelings can tell us otherwise, but feelings lie A LOT! Especially to people with OCD! I encourage you to continue to read and post on this site. There are many others who have experienced, and still are experiencing, much of what you yourself are going through. God has promised to not abandon us, and He won't. He is good to His Word. Shannon, Hi! That's great that you are still talking by phone with the pastor who understands scrupulosity. It's actually showing God's hand in your life I believe. I thought no one understood what I was going through, not really. When my mother was going through it many years ago, hardly no one seemed to understand. Her dad told her to snap out of it. There was no internet to connect her to others who understood and could help. Still, God saw her through miraculously, but it's not as difficult now to connect to people who really feel or have felt what we are feeling or felt. That's something to be thankful for in itself. Yes, I do analyze so much. In fact, I feel lazy when I try not to analyze things. But, I've learned that when I analyze things, I tend to get myself into a big mess, so I just have to let it go. I used to hear messages in church a lot that terrified me. It would be something I had thought or said to God perhaps that very week, or even that day, and it would be like God was answering me in the pastor's message, or a tract that I found in a bathroom, or a sign painted on the side of the rode saying, "Trust Jesus", and I would feel God was confirming that I indeed was lost from Him. I've had to get to the point to where I don't start analyzing it and where I just take it to God and say, "Okay, this is how I feel, but I confess Jesus as the Bible says, and I'm just taking You at Your Word." That's all I can do. I believe He is teaching me more about His real character as a loving Father as opposed to the taskmaster image I had of Him. My sister has a beautiful picture of a large, open hand holding an open, tiny one. It has a lovely verse on it and represents an all powerful, yet gentle, father who is taking care of his child. He has us in his more than capable hands. I still do stress about things. In fact, I stressed early this morning over stuff while it was still dark outside. Used to though, I would've gotten up and prayed about it and stressed some more. This morning however, I just went back to sleep. I realize that is what I have to do because the other way, I was just not functioning well. I want to be open when God has put something on my heart to pray about, etc., but I can't run with it because I do end up running in circles in my head and getting nowhere. In another post, you mentioned about the non-Christian psychiatrist you are seeing. Maybe you should just tell them about what you are experiencing due to salvation fears and repetitive thoughts. Actually, I wrote things down as I would think them when I was going through the worst of it. It would've been too overwhelming for me to have said all of that to my psychologist. He was a Christian, but he realized that I was saying the same things over and over again, just in different ways. I know how scary it can be when you think the specialist could get the diagnosis wrong, be shocked by what you tell them, or think you are crazy because they think salvation is not real anyway, but you've got to be completely honest or it's likely he/she can't give you the right diagnosis because they are missing a lot of the information they are basing that diagnosis on. Sometimes also, it may take several tries before we find someone who can really help us. I saw a Christian psychologist, and he did tell me I had OCD, but he couldn't prescribe medication for it. He sent me to a non-Christians psychiatrist, not to counsel with me, but who could prescribe medicine for OCD. Well, I need to go for now. Have a blessed day!

Rebecca
Thanks Rebecca...I have to go now...Ill let you know how it went. Hope your day is going well. --shannon
 
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