Ocasio-Cortez says Trump win would result in ‘grave impacts’ on democracy

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Remember all those many times over the last few years that prosecutors and the DoJ have gone after those who disagree with the Democratic Party ruling class?
I think you will find that when you continue breaking the law, the DOJ will continue to go after you.
 
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How can a Marxist attorney or politician legally uphold the Constitution of the USA?
Probably not very well. The thing that distinguishes marxism from other forms of communism is the tenet that a communist state can only be achieved through violent insurrection.
 
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How can a Marxist attorney or politician legally uphold the Constitution of the USA?
Marxist… You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
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Remember all those many times over the last few years that prosecutors and the DoJ have gone after those who disagree with the Democratic Party ruling class?

I don't. Can you name a specific occasion when state or federal level prosecutors have engaged in prosecution for "disagre[ing] with the Democratic Party ruling class?".

None of the prosecutions of Donald Trump are for that. They're for (variously):

Lying on business records to obtain more favourable loan/insurance terms. That's not disagreeing with Democrats, that's fraud.
Conspiring to illegally overturn an election. That's not disagreeing with Democrats, that's insurrection.
Illegally retaining classified national security documents, and then lying about it. That's not disagreeing with Democrats, that's violating national security laws.

The only one you could argue are politically motivated are the cases seeking Donald Trump's removal from the presidential ballot on 14th Amendment grounds. And even then, that's a bipartisan effort. There are more cases from registered Republicans and independents than there are from Democrats.
 
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I think you will find that when you continue breaking the law, the DOJ will continue to go after you.
So then, it appears that if someone disagrees with the ruling class, that you are implying this is breaking the law????
 
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Given he talked about nuking hurricanes last time, it would seem that could still be a concern.
I don't want to get in your Tit for Tat but I'd like to inform you. He didn't bomb the hurricane and maybe some scientist educated him. But I do remember all the fear talk of the red button and thought it was crazy.

"The big picture: Trump didn't invent this idea. The notion that detonating a nuclear bomb over the eye of a hurricane could be used to counteract convection currents dates to the Eisenhower era, when it was floated by a government scientist.

The idea keeps resurfacing in the public even though scientists agree it won't work. The myth has been so persistent that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the U.S. government agency that predicts changes in weather and the oceans, published an online fact sheet for the public under the heading "Tropical Cyclone Myths Page."
The page states: "Apart from the fact that this might not even alter the storm, this approach neglects the problem that the released radioactive fallout would fairly quickly move with the tradewinds to affect land areas and cause devastating environmental problems. Needless to say, this is not a good idea."

 
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So then, it appears that if someone disagrees with the ruling class, that you are implying this is breaking the law????
No, I think if they participate in racketeering,
soliciting or impersonating a public officer, commit forgery or false statements and documents, conspiracy to defraud the U.S. government, conspiracy against civil rights, obstruction, willful retention of national defense information, withholding or altering documents, false statements, and falsify business documents, that is breaking the law.
 
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No, I think if they participate in racketeering,
soliciting or impersonating a public officer, commit forgery or false statements and documents, conspiracy to defraud the U.S. government, conspiracy against civil rights, obstruction, willful retention of national defense information, withholding or altering documents, false statements, and falsify business documents, that is breaking the law.
This sounds a lot like what Joe Biden himself has done.
 
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The IRS targeting of conservative groups: In 2013, it was revealed that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) had targeted conservative groups for additional scrutiny during the application process for tax-exempt status. This caused a significant uproar among conservatives, who saw it as an attack on their right to free speech and political activity.
The prosecution of Dinesh D'Souza: In 2014, conservative filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza was prosecuted by the DOJ for campaign finance violations. Many conservatives saw this as a politically motivated prosecution, as D'Souza had made several films critical of the Obama administration.
The targeting of Trump associates: During the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, several Trump associates were targeted by the DOJ, including Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, and Roger Stone. Many conservatives saw this as an attempt to undermine the Trump presidency and delegitimize his victory.

The Targeting of Conservatives on Social Media: In 2021, many conservatives accused social media platforms of censoring their speech and suppressing conservative viewpoints. While some of these claims were debunked, others raised concerns about the power of Big Tech to shape public discourse.
The Targeting of Conservative Organizations: In 2021, the Department of Justice (DOJ) launched an investigation into the tax-exempt status of several conservative organizations, including Turning Point USA and the American Conservative Union. Many conservatives saw this as an attempt to intimidate and silence their political activity.

The Prosecution of Conservative Activists: In 2021, the DOJ prosecuted several conservative activists, including Steve Bannon and Roger Stone, for various offenses. Many conservatives saw this as an attempt to target and discredit opponents of the Biden administration.
These are just a few examples of instances where American conservatives have been targeted by the government since 2021.
 
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The IRS targeting of conservative groups: In 2013, it was revealed that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) had targeted conservative groups for additional scrutiny during the application process for tax-exempt status. This caused a significant uproar among conservatives, who saw it as an attack on their right to free speech and political activity.
The prosecution of Dinesh D'Souza: In 2014, conservative filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza was prosecuted by the DOJ for campaign finance violations. Many conservatives saw this as a politically motivated prosecution, as D'Souza had made several films critical of the Obama administration.
The targeting of Trump associates: During the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, several Trump associates were targeted by the DOJ, including Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, and Roger Stone. Many conservatives saw this as an attempt to undermine the Trump presidency and delegitimize his victory.

The Targeting of Conservatives on Social Media: In 2021, many conservatives accused social media platforms of censoring their speech and suppressing conservative viewpoints. While some of these claims were debunked, others raised concerns about the power of Big Tech to shape public discourse.
The Targeting of Conservative Organizations: In 2021, the Department of Justice (DOJ) launched an investigation into the tax-exempt status of several conservative organizations, including Turning Point USA and the American Conservative Union. Many conservatives saw this as an attempt to intimidate and silence their political activity.

The Prosecution of Conservative Activists: In 2021, the DOJ prosecuted several conservative activists, including Steve Bannon and Roger Stone, for various offenses. Many conservatives saw this as an attempt to target and discredit opponents of the Biden administration.
These are just a few examples of instances where American conservatives have been targeted by the government since 2021.
Many conservatives see... Man, that's really strong evidence and besides, conservatives can't possibly be guilty of any of the things they were charged with because, well, ...because they're conservatives.
 
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The targeting of Trump associates: During the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, several Trump associates were targeted by the DOJ, including Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, and Roger Stone. Many conservatives saw this as an attempt to undermine the Trump presidency and delegitimize his victory.
They lied to the FBI, obstructed an investigation, and in some cases, had a history of money laundering and tax fraud.
The Prosecution of Conservative Activists: In 2021, the DOJ prosecuted several conservative activists, including Steve Bannon and Roger Stone, for various offenses. Many conservatives saw this as an attempt to target and discredit opponents of the Biden administration.
Roger Stone was not prosecuted in 2021 for anything. He was convicted and charged under the Trump administration by the Mueller probe.
Steve Bannon was convicted of contempt of Congress done in plain sight.
These are just a few examples of instances where American conservatives have been targeted by the government since 2021.
I could get you a list a bit later.
 
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This sounds a lot like what Joe Biden himself has done.
No it doesn’t, it’s just… How did you put it? A manifestation of “Political party leaders using the justice system in the USA to investigate and go after people who disagree with what the ruling class establishment leaders are doing” because the republicans are worried they can’t win an election any other way.
 
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The IRS targeting of conservative groups: In 2013, it was revealed that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) had targeted conservative groups for additional scrutiny during the application process for tax-exempt status. This caused a significant uproar among conservatives, who saw it as an attack on their right to free speech and political activity.

And this one, despite the claims by the various groups and Republicans, was not actually true. The IRS was checking all the new 501(c)3 tax-exempt political organizations, to ensure they actually should be tax-exempt; regardless of if the groups were Conservative or Liberal. What made it somewhat seem that was was the abnormally large number of new conservative groups, since many of the Tea-Party groups had just created local organizations.

The prosecution of Dinesh D'Souza: In 2014, conservative filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza was prosecuted by the DOJ for campaign finance violations. Many conservatives saw this as a politically motivated prosecution, as D'Souza had made several films critical of the Obama administration.

That may be the way they saw it, but he was indicted by a Grand Jury and convicted by a different jury; because he had broken campaign finance laws.

The targeting of Trump associates: During the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, several Trump associates were targeted by the DOJ, including Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, and Roger Stone. Many conservatives saw this as an attempt to undermine the Trump presidency and delegitimize his victory.

And, as pointed out above, because they had broken laws -- in fact, it is interesting that most pled guilty (to include Michael Flynn, until he decided he didn't want to anymore).

The Targeting of Conservatives on Social Media: In 2021, many conservatives accused social media platforms of censoring their speech and suppressing conservative viewpoints. While some of these claims were debunked, others raised concerns about the power of Big Tech to shape public discourse.

If you were being honest, you'd admit this started before 2021 while Trump was President. Social Media, like Christian Forums, has the right to determine their own standards of conduct and what they will and will not allow.

The Targeting of Conservative Organizations: In 2021, the Department of Justice (DOJ) launched an investigation into the tax-exempt status of several conservative organizations, including Turning Point USA and the American Conservative Union. Many conservatives saw this as an attempt to intimidate and silence their political activity.

I might have missed it, but I didn't see any actual IRS investigation (though there were calls by some who thought they should be). Though, as a reminder, "political activity" -- as you talk about -- is not tax-exempt; which may be why they were investigated. Again, this is likely due diligence by the IRS to ensure that new "political" tax-exempt organizations are following the law to not engage in politics.

The Prosecution of Conservative Activists: In 2021, the DOJ prosecuted several conservative activists, including Steve Bannon and Roger Stone, for various offenses. Many conservatives saw this as an attempt to target and discredit opponents of the Biden administration.

Interesting you want to claim Stone was persecuted, when there was solid evidence of threatening a witness (and other charges) that he was convicted for. It's also interesting is there is evidence of Bannon stealing money from Conservatives, those that contributed to the Build the Wall group that Bannon helped oversee, yet he is being "persecuted." You would think Conservatives would want Bannon to stand trial to see if the evidence is enough for a conviction. Granted, I'm sure they will want him let off if he is found Not Guilty but you'd think they'd at least want to know the evidence -- since money conservatives' donated was stolen.

These are just a few examples of instances where American conservatives have been targeted by the government since 2021.

And none really stand up to any type of scrutiny.
 
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I don't want to get in your Tit for Tat but I'd like to inform you. He didn't bomb the hurricane and maybe some scientist educated him. But I do remember all the fear talk of the red button and thought it was crazy.

No, but he talked about it and it seems like that wasn't the only time.

"The big picture: Trump didn't invent this idea. The notion that detonating a nuclear bomb over the eye of a hurricane could be used to counteract convection currents dates to the Eisenhower era, when it was floated by a government scientist.

You mean the Eisenhower administration, back in the time before we really knew about or understood about nuclear fallout? When the government was doing above ground tests in Nevada which they've ended up paying millions to the victims; not to mention that victims and their families are still looking to be fully compensated for their losses?

The idea keeps resurfacing in the public even though scientists agree it won't work. The myth has been so persistent that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the U.S. government agency that predicts changes in weather and the oceans, published an online fact sheet for the public under the heading "Tropical Cyclone Myths Page."

It is one thing for some uniformed people in public to believe it, it is not something we should ever hear in this day and age from politicians in Washington, particularly the President.

The page states: "Apart from the fact that this might not even alter the storm, this approach neglects the problem that the released radioactive fallout would fairly quickly move with the tradewinds to affect land areas and cause devastating environmental problems. Needless to say, this is not a good idea."


Exactly, we've known for nearly 70 years (you have to go back to Eisenhower) how terrible an idea it is. Yet Trump was floating it -- showing he doesn't understand fallout or the risks of using a nuclear weapon.
 
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This sounds a lot like what Joe Biden himself has done.
Then gather the evidence to prove it, and take it to a prosecutor.

That's how this stuff works.

-- A2SG, the first part does seem to be the hardest, though....
 
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Then gather the evidence to prove it, and take it to a prosecutor.

That's how this stuff works.

-- A2SG, the first part does seem to be the hardest, though....
And in the meanwhile, another Republican "star witness" in a closed session tells Republicans there is no evidence of Joe Biden doing anything illegal or even having anything to do with Hunters business or anything to do with Burisma.
Not 100% related to the topic, but shouldn't be missed or forgotten either.
 
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And in the meanwhile, another Republican "star witness" in a closed session tells Republicans there is no evidence of Joe Biden doing anything illegal or even having anything to do with Hunters business or anything to do with Burisma.
Not 100% related to the topic, but shouldn't be missed or forgotten either.
No wonder they keep sessions like that closed...wouldn't want that information to get out to the public, huh?

-- A2SG, might interfere with their narrative...
 
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Remind me which political party leaders have been using the justice system in the USA to investigate and go after people who disagree with what the ruling class establishment leaders are doing?
Richard Nixon, when he launched his "war on drugs" just to discredit the anti war mouvement.
 
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