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I swear this is all I ever see on this Baptist form. People obessing over the King James bible, evolution, and tons of other non essential things. This probably has to be the least spiritually edifiying place on CF. Either this or GT. I'm not even Baptist but just visiting here I am kind of disturbed. All I see is attacking and paranoia. Not much love though. I think a lot better things could be talked about. Things that actually glorify God.
 

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I swear this is all I ever see on this Baptist form. People obessing over the King James bible, evolution, and tons of other non essential things. This probably has to be the least spiritually edifiying place on CF. Either this or GT. I'm not even Baptist but just visiting here I am kind of disturbed. All I see is attacking and paranoia. Not much love though. I think a lot better things could be talked about. Things that actually glorify God.

The only thing that occurs on CF is what you describe, my friend. But that being said I overall agree with you with the caveat that this is for all practical purposes the only forum I visit on this board anymore (and do find praise worthy posts). I do so because the topics that are posted here cover issues of Baptist interest even if they are seemingly petty.

But I would say evoloution is an essential item to disbelieve. If you believe it you've undermined the whole of scripture and therefore call into question the historicity of Christ (whether you know it or not). Some here find the KJV to be the only true copy of the word of God around and thus it is very, very essential to those who adhere to it. I am not of that mindset but I can understand and see importance in its discussion. The Catholic church should be discussed, dissected, and denied. This is important as there are apparently tens of millions of that sect: souls. ETC. So I would say not all things here are petty just a great many.
 
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Many of my Baptist friends has asked me why I have left? I usually say something like this: Any legalistic motives toward the REAL purpose and Great Commission can destroy God's usefulness in a believer. When people are turned away.... who profits? That if we have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from His love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make our joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. (Philippians 2:1-2). In relation to salvation, I am sure we all believe the same thing with one exception. When each of us go out in the world, we are sending mixed messages and Satan loves it.
 
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God_of_Mercy said:
This probably has to be the least spiritually edifiying place on CF.

The members of my old church really made me turn away from going into seminary and becoming a minister. The Baptist forum does not make me regret that decision at all.
 
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What are the essentials according to a Baptist?
You have to believe that Christ was the only Son of God, and that he died for you, to save your sin. It is the ONLY way to get to heaven. Works plus faith doesn't cut it.
 
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What are the essentials according to a Baptist?
Anything and everything. Baptists have never been known for getting along even with each other. I think it has to do with the idea of the priesthood of the believer, which I do hold to by the way.
 
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[bible]Acts 20:27[/bible]
[bible]Acts 20:28[/bible]
[bible]1 Timothy 1:3[/bible]
[bible]2 Timothy 4:1-6[/bible]

The "non-essentials" are important, if the entire council of God isn't preached, then the churches will lead into apostacy and modernism. I can prove this assertion.

"A GROWING VANGUARD OF YOUNG GRADUATES OF EVANGELICAL COLLEGES WHO HOLD DOCTORATES FROM NON-EVANGELICAL DIVINITY CENTERS NOW QUESTION OR DISOWN INERRANCY and the doctrine is held less consistently by evangelical faculties. ... Some retain the term and reassure supportive constituencies but nonetheless stretch the term's meaning" (Carl F.H. Henry, first editor of Christianity Today, chairman for the 1966 World Congress on Evangelism, "Conflict Over Biblical Inerrancy," Christianity Today, May 7, 1976)


"MORE AND MORE ORGANIZATIONS AND INDIVIDUALS HISTORICALLY COMMITTED TO AN INFALLIBLE SCRIPTURE HAVE BEEN EMBRACING AND PROPAGATING THE VIEW THAT THE BIBLE HAS ERRORS IN IT. This movement away from the historic standpoint has been most noticeable among those often labeled neo-evangelicals. This change of position with respect to the infallibility of the Bible is widespread and has occurred in evangelical denominations, Christian colleges, theological seminaries, publishing houses, and learned societies" (Harold Lindsell, former vice-president and professor Fuller Theological Seminary and Editor Emeritus of Christianity Today, The Battle for the Bible, 1976, p. 20).

"Most people outside the evangelical community itself are totally unaware of the profound changes that have occurred within evangelicalism during the last several years--in the movement's understanding of the inspiration and authority of Scripture, in its social concerns, cultural attitudes and ecumenical posture, and in the nature of its emerging leadership. ... evangelical theologians have begun looking at the Bible with a scrutiny reflecting THEIR WIDESPREAD ACCEPTANCE OF THE PRINCIPLES OF HISTORICAL AND LITERARY CRITICISM ... The position--affirming that Scripture is inerrant or infallible in its teaching on matters of faith and conduct but not necessarily in all its assertions concerning history and the cosmos--IS GRADUALLY BECOMING ASCENDANT AMONG THE MOST HIGHLY RESPECTED EVANGELICAL THEOLOGIANS. ... these new trends ... indicate that evangelical theology is becoming more centrist, more open to biblical criticism and more accepting of science and broad cultural analysis. ONE MIGHT EVEN SUGGEST THAT THE NEW GENERATION OF EVANGELICALS IS CLOSER TO BONHOEFFER, BARTH AND BRUNNER THAN TO HODGE AND WARFIELD ON THE INSPIRATION AND AUTHORITY OF SCRIPTURE" (Richard Quebedeaux, author of The Young Evangelicals and The Worldly Evangelicals, "The Evangelicals: New Trends and Tensions," Christianity and Crisis, Sept. 20, 1976, pp. 197-202).

"A SURPRISING ARRAY OF EQUALLY DEDICATED EVANGELICALS IS FORMING TO INSIST THAT ACCEPTANCE OF HISTORIC CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES DOES NOT REQUIRE BELIEF IN AN INERRANT BOOK. ... What has made it a new ball game today is the emergence of a new type of evangelical. These persons accept the cardinal doctrines of Christianity in their full and literal meaning but agree that the higher critics have a point: there are errors in Scripture, and some of its precepts must be recognized as being culturally and historically conditioned" (G. Aiken Taylor, "Is God as Good as His Word?" Christianity Today, Feb. 4, 1977).

"I must regretfully conclude that the term evangelical has been so debased that it has lost its usefulness. ... Forty years ago the term evangelical represented those who were theologically orthodox and who held to biblical inerrancy as one of the distinctives. ... WITHIN A DECADE OR SO NEOEVANGELICALISM, THAT STARTED SO WELL AND PROMISED SO MUCH, WAS BEING ASSAULTED FROM WITHIN BY INCREASING SKEPTICISM WITH REGARD TO BIBLICAL INFALLIBILITY OR INERRANCY" (Harold Lindsell, The Bible in the Balance, 1979, p. 319)

"WITHIN EVANGELICALISM THERE ARE A GROWING NUMBER WHO ARE MODIFYING THEIR VIEWS ON THE INERRANCY OF THE BIBLE SO THAT THE FULL AUTHORITY OF SCRIPTURE IS COMPLETELY UNDERCUT. But is happening in very subtle ways. Like the snow lying side-by-side on the ridge, the new views on biblical authority often seem at first glance not to be very far from what evangelicals, until just recently, have always believed. But also, like the snow lying side-by-side on the ridge, the new views when followed consistently end up a thousand miles apart. What may seem like a minor difference at first, in the end makes all the difference in the world ... compromising the full authority of Scripture eventually affects what it means to be a Christian theologically and how we live in the full spectrum of human life" (Francis Schaeffer, The Great Evangelical Disaster, 1983, p. 44).


"Accommodation, accommodation. How the mindset of accommodation grows and expands. The last sixty yeas have given birth to a moral disaster, and what have we done? Sadly we must say that the evangelical world has been part of the disaster. More than this, the evangelical response itself has been a disaster. Where is the clear voice speaking to the crucial issues of the day with distinctively biblical, Christian answers? With tears we must say that largely it is not there and that A LARGE SEGMENT OF THE EVANGELICAL WORLD HAS BECOME SEDUCED BY THE WORLD SPIRIT OF THIS PRESENT AGE" (Francis Schaeffer, The Great Evangelical Disaster, 1983, p. 141).


"My main concern is with those who profess to believe that the Bible is the Word of God and yet by, what I can only call, surreptitious and devious means, deny it. This is, surprisingly enough, a position that is taken widely in the evangelical world. ALMOST ALL OF THE LITERATURE WHICH IS PRODUCED IN THE EVANGELICAL WORLD TODAY FALLS INTO THIS CATEGORY. In the October 1985 issue of Christianity Today, a symposium on Bible criticism was featured. The articles were written by scholars from several evangelical seminaries. NOT ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THAT SYMPOSIUM IN CHRISTIANITY TODAY WAS PREPARED TO REJECT HIGHER CRITICISM. All came to its defense. It became evident that all the scholars from the leading seminaries in this country held to a form of higher criticism. These men claim to believe that the Bible is the Word of God. At the same time they adopt higher critical methods in the explanation of the Scriptures. This has become so common in evangelical circles that it is almost impossible to find an evangelical professor in the theological schools of our land and abroad who still holds uncompromisingly to the doctrine of the infallible inspiration of the Scriptures. The insidious danger is that higher criticism is promoted by those who claim to believe in infallible inspiration" (Herman Hanko, Professor of Church History and New Testament, Protestant Reformed Seminary, The Battle for the Bible, 1993, pp. 2,3).


"At one extreme are those who have recoiled into Anglo-Catholicism in reaction to pietistic subjectivism; at the other are those who have taken their stand on the verities of old-time Fundamentalism as a way of rejecting evangelical softness. BUT IN BETWEEN THESE FAR SHORES LIE THE CHOPPY WATERS THAT MOST EVANGELICALS NOW PLY WITH THEIR BOATS, AND HERE THE WINDS OF MODERNITY BLOW WITH DISCONCERTING FORCE, FRAGMENTING WHAT IT MEANS TO BE EVANGELICAL. THIS IS BECAUSE EVANGELICALS HAVE ALLOWED THEIR CONFESSIONAL CENTER TO DISSSIPATE. ... Fundamentalism always had an air of embattlement about it, of being an island in a sea of unremitting hostility. Evangelicalism has reacted against this sense of psychological isolation. It has lowered the barricades. It is open to the world. The great sin of Fundamentalism is to compromise; the great sin in evangelicalism is to be narrow" (David F. Wells, Professor of Historical and Systematic Theology at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, No Place for the Truth or Whatever Happened to Evangelical Theology?, 1994, pp. 128,129).


"Although most of today's professing evangelicals would acknowledge that theology, in some sense of the word, does matter, a recent survey in Christianity Today revealed that this is more lip service than anything else. According to this survey ... theology, in any sense of the word, is really not all that important to the very people to whom it should matter most: those in the pew and in the pulpit. BOTH GROUPS LISTED THEOLOGICAL KNOWLEDGE AS LAST IN TERMS OF PASTORAL PRIORITIES. ... WE ARE SADLY EXPERIENCING, ON A RATHER LARGE SCALE, A SUBJECTIVISM THAT BETRAYS ITS WEAKENED HOLD ON THE OBJECTIVE TRUTH and reality of Christianity by its neglect or even renunciation of its distinctive objective character. ... Men ... really wish to have a creedless Christianity. 'Creeds,' they shout, 'are divisive things; away with them!' ... Where does this leave us? An undogmatic Christianity is no Christianity at all" (Gary L.W. Johnson, "Does Theology Still Matter?" The Coming Evangelical Crisis, Moody Press, 1996, pp. 58,66,67).


"... evangelicalism in the 1990s is an amalgam of diverse and often theologically ill-defined groups, institutions, and traditions. ... THE THEOLOGICAL UNITY THAT ONCE MARKED THE MOVEMENT HAS GIVEN WAY TO A THEOLOGICAL PLURALISM THAT WAS PRECISELY WHAT MANY OF THE FOUNDERS OF MODERN EVANGELICALISM HAD REJECTED IN MAINLINE PROTESTANTISM. ... Evangelicalism is not healthy in conviction or spiritual discipline. Our theological defenses have been let down, and the infusion of revisionist theologies has affected large segments of evangelicalism. Much damage has already been done, but a greater crisis yet threatens" (R. Albert Mohler, Jr., "Evangelical What's in a Name?," The Coming Evangelical Crisis, 1996, pp. 32,33,36).
 
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I agree. The bad thing about this forum is it isn't really a Christian forum. Just look at what they want to do. Their goal is to join us all as one church, even those that call themselves Christians, that really aren't. Their logic is flawed, and this whole site sufferes because of it. I maintain that only 10% of those on this forum are really Christians, and that might even be too high of a number.

I wouldn't agree so fast without considering the word of God.
 
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In general, we are all too judgmental. In general, we know but we don't obey.

I believe until we truly understand what Christ taught us, which I believe deals first and foremost with the heart, we will continue to struggle with our fundamental, hypocritical and legalistic ways.

How can we expect to be followers of Christ when our hearts and minds have not changed from the world we once loved so dearly? It is only when our hearts and minds change will we bring forth fruit from that which drives us.

I understand the challenge as well as anyone, but maybe it's time to stop whining and pointing fingers and just live out in action that which He has called us to.
 
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In general, we are all too judgmental. In general, we know but we don't obey.

I believe until we truly understand what Christ taught us, which I believe deals first and foremost with the heart, we will continue to struggle with our fundamental, hypocritical and legalistic ways.

How can we expect to be followers of Christ when our hearts and minds have not changed from the world we once loved so dearly? It is only when our hearts and minds change will we bring forth fruit from that which drives us.

I understand the challenge as well as anyone, but maybe it's time to stop whining and pointing fingers and just live out in action that which He has called us to.
I do not point fingers at people. I point fingers at organisations, intitutions, congregations. I also agree that I can be legalistic or hypocritical at times, but I don't regret exposing error.

Now arunma will come to say that he wants to expose my "Geocentricity" error, except the only problem is that he will be unable to prove Geocentricity wrong with scripture. Although, as fundamental as I am, I don't see Geocentricity as too much of an issue since it is possible to state that when the sun moves in scripture, that this is relative motion only.
 
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You have to believe that Christ was the only Son of God, and that he died for you, to save your sin. It is the ONLY way to get to heaven. Works plus faith doesn't cut it.
so that it ? pretty simple.
 
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so that it ? pretty simple.

Repentance toward God + faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ = Salvation (Eternal Security)

“Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ” (Acts 20:21)
 
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Repentance toward God + faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ = Salvation (Eternal Security)

“Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ” (Acts 20:21)
So that is the ONLY thing that makes you a Baptist? The ONLY essential?
 
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I do not point fingers at people. I point fingers at organisations, intitutions, congregations. I also agree that I can be legalistic or hypocritical at times, but I don't regret exposing error.

I hope you don't think I was singling you out. I did use the words "in general". I would never regret exposing error either and I agree with you on that. Legalism and hypocrisy have no place in the church, not saying that I don't have tendencies to make those mistakes. I think it derives from lack of discipline in our own lives and having a better understanding of God.
 
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so that it ? pretty simple.
The thief on the cross didn't go to theological school. Jesus said you must become as a child. I believe this to mean salvation is simple. It's not clouded up with a bunch of stuff....just simple faith in Jesus and what He did on the cross, and that it is enough. Ecc. 3:14 And I know that whatsoever God doeth, it shall be forever. Nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it. For God doeth it, that men should fear before him. Sorry, my punctuation might no be exact...but ya'll get it.
 
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I agree. The bad thing about this forum is it isn't really a Christian forum. Just look at what they want to do. Their goal is to join us all as one church, even those that call themselves Christians, that really aren't. Their logic is flawed, and this whole site sufferes because of it. I maintain that only 10% of those on this forum are really Christians, and that might even be too high of a number.

Wow, such judgment! On your bio you posted what, that you have been a Christian for two years. (Their logic is flawed, and only 10% are Chrstians) And you have gained all this wisdom to judge the hearts of men from who? Forgive me if I'm not impressed. (not that I would be impressed if you were a Christian for 100 years)

Matthew 7:1-2
Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

This restriction does not mean that a disciple never judges. After all, some kind of judgment is required in order to be obedient. The point of these verses is that a Christian should not have a spirit of carping criticsm and fault finding.

I would encourage you to read or reread James 3 (The Untamable Tongue)
What comes off our tongue brother comes from our hearts.
We are all guilty of this, but we must show that we are different by how we control ourselfs. This would be a sign of obedients to God.

Be gracious brother
 
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Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

hmm, misusing Matt. 7:1-2 much?

Reprinted December 27, 2004 (first published July 14, 1996) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the information paragraph at the end of the article) -

The following is by the late Franklin G. Huling:

This question, Is it right to judge? is one that puzzles many sincere Christians. A careful and open-minded study of the Bible makes it clear that concerning certain vital matters, it is not only right but a positive duty to judge. Many do not know that--

THE SCRIPTURE COMMANDS TO JUDGE

The Lord Jesus Christ commanded, "Judge righteous judgment" (John 7:24). He told a man, "Thou hast rightly judged" (Luke 7:43). To others, our Lord asked, "Why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?" (Luke 12:57).

The Apostle Paul wrote, "I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say" (1 Corinthians 10:15). Again, Paul declared, "He that is spiritual judgeth all things" (1 Corinthians 2:15). It is our positive duty to judge.

FALSE TEACHERS AND FALSE TEACHING
"Beware of false prophets!" (Matthew 7:15) is the warning and command of our Lord. But how could we "beware" and how could we know they are "false prophets" if we did not judge? And what is the God-given standard by which we are to judge? "To the Law and to the Testimony: if they speak not according to THIS WORD, it is because there is NO LIGHT in them" (Isaiah 8:20). "Ye shall know them by their fruits," Christ said (Matthew 7:16). And in judging the "fruits," we must judge by God's Word, not by what appeals to human reasoning. Many things seem good to human judgment which are false to the Word of God.
The Apostle Paul admonished believers, "Now I beseech you, brethren, MARK THEM which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and AVOID THEM. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." (Romans 16:17-18). This apostolic command could not be obeyed were it not right to judge. God wants us to know His Word and then test all teachers and teaching by it. Notice also that it is the false teachers who make the "divisions," and not those who protest against their false teaching. And these deceivers are not serving Christ, as they profess, "but their own belly," or their own "bread and butter as we would put it. We are to "MARK THEM" and "AVOID THEM."
"Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord." (2 Corinthians 6:17; read also verses 14-18)

"From such turn away" (2 Timothy 3:5). "Withdraw yourselves." (2 Thessalonians 3:6)

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." (Ephesians 5:11)

"ABHOR THAT WHICH IS EVIL; CLEAVE TO THAT WHICH IS GOOD." (Romans 12:9)

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
It would be impossible to obey these injunctions of God's Word unless it were right to judge. And remember, nothing is "good" in God's sight that is not true to His Word.

The Apostle John wrote, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try (test, judge) the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1). Again he wrote, "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh... If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, RECEIVE HIM NOT into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" (2 John 7, 10-11). This Scripture commands us to judge between those who do and those who do not bring the true doctrine of Christ.

Whenever a child of God contributes to a denominational budget that supports Modernist missionaries or teachers, he is guilty before God, according to this Scripture, of bidding them "God speed" in the most effective way possible. And he thereby becomes a "partaker" with them of their "evil deeds" of spreading soul-damning poison. How terrible, but how true! Arouse yourself, child of God. If you are guilty, ask God to forgive you and help you never again to be guilty of the blood of souls for whom Christ died. When we are willing to suffer for Christ, we can readily see the truth of God's Word on this tremendously important matter. "If we suffer, we shall also reign with Him" (2 Timothy 2:12).

MISUNDERSTOOD AND MISUSED SCRIPTURE

One of the best known and most important and misapplied Scriptures is "Judge not" (Matthew 7:1). Let us examine the entire passage:
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considereth not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? THOU HYPOCRITE, first cast the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." (Matthew 7:1-5)
Read this again carefully. Notice that it is addressed to a hypocrite--not to those who sincerely want to discern whether a teacher or teaching is true or false to God's Word. And instead of being a prohibition against honest judgment, it is a solemn warning against hypocritical judgment. In fact, the last statement of this Scripture commands sincere judgment--"Then thou shalt see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

IF WE TAKE A VERSE OR A PART OF A VERSE OUT OF ITS SETTING, WE CAN MAKE THE WORD OF GOD APPEAR TO TEACH THE VERY OPPOSITE OF WHAT IT REALLY DOES TEACH. And those who do this cannot escape the judgment of God for twisting His Word (2 Peter 3:16). Let this be a warning to us never again to take a text or Scripture out of its context.

Many who piously quote, "Judge not," out of its connection, in order to defend that which is false to God's Word, do not see their own inconsistency in thus judging those who would obey God's Word about judging that which is untrue to the Bible. It is tragic that so much that is anti- Scriptural has found undeserved shelter behind a misuse of the Scripture just quoted.

The reason Christendom is today honeycombed and paralyzed by Satanic Modernism is because Christians have not obeyed the command of God's Word to judge and put away and separate from false teachers and false teaching when they first appeared in their midst. Physical health is maintained by separation from disease germs. Spiritual health is maintained by separation from germs of false doctrine. The greatest peril of our day is not too much judging, but too little judging of spiritual falsehood. God wants His children to be like the noble Bereans who "searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so" (Acts 17:11).

Romans 2:1-3 is also addressed to the religious hypocrite who condemned himself because he was guilty of the same things for which he condemned others. James 4:11-12 refers to an evil spirit of backbiting and fault finding, not to judging whether teachers or teachings agree or disagree with God's Word. The Bible never contradicts itself. To understand one portion of Scripture we must view it in the light of all Scripture. "No prophecy of the Scripture is of any private (isolated) interpretation" (2 Peter 1:20). "Comparing spiritual things (words) with spiritual" (1 Corinthians 2:13).

THE WHEAT AND THE TARES

The "Wheat and the Tares" parable of Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43, is also much misunderstood. First of all, our Lord is talking about the world, not His Church--"the field is the world." He goes on to say that "the good seed are the children of the Kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one." (Matthew 13:38). They are the two groups in the world, children of God-- those who have received Christ (John 1:12), and the children of the devil--those who reject Christ (John 8:44). When any of the "children of the wicked one" get into the professed church of Christ, as they have always done, a definite procedure for God's children is set forth in His Word. First, it is their duty to tell them that they have "neither part nor lot" in Christ (see Acts 8:21-23 and context). If the children of the devil do not leave voluntarily, as is generally the case, God's children are com manded to "purge out" these unbelievers (1 Corinthians 5:7). But God's people have disobeyed His Word about this, and so unbelievers have gotten into control, as is now the case in most denominations. Therefore, those who purpose to be true to Christ and His Word are commanded to "come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord" (2 Corinthians 6:17), regardless of property or any other considerations. When we obey God's Word, we can trust Him to take care of all the consequences of our obedience.

OTHER MATTERS TO BE JUDGED

Immoral conduct of professed believers in Christ is to be judged. 1 Corinthians chapter 5 tells a sad story and closes with the Apostolic injunction, "Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person" (2 Corinthians 5:13).

Disputes between Christians concerning "things that pertain to this life" (1 Corinthians 6:3) should be judged by a tribunal of fellow Christians instead of going before unbelievers in the civil courts. The whole sixth chapter of 1 Corinthians makes clear God's plan for His people in this regard. And some startling truths are here revealed: First, "the saints shall judge the world." Second, "we shall judge angels" (1 Corinthians 6:2- 3). Beloved, are we letting God prepare us for this high place?

We ought to judge ourselves. "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves" (2 Corinthians 13:5). "For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened (child trained) of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world" (1 Corinthians 11:31-32). What a change and what a blessing it would be if we would judge our own faults as uncharitably as we do the faults of others--and if we would judge the failings of others as charitably as we do our own! And Christians could save themselves much chastening of the Lord if they would judge and confess and cease their disobedience to God. And, O, how much dishonour and lack of fruit would our blessed Lord be spared!

LIMITATIONS OF HUMAN JUDGMENT

We are not to judge scruples. God forbids our judging our brethren concerning the eating of certain kinds of food, keeping of days, etc. Romans chapter 14; 1 Corinthians 10:23-33; and Colossians 2:16-17 cover this subject.

We are also not to judge motives. See 1 Corinthians 4:1-5. Only God can see into the heart and know the motives that underlie actions.

We are also not to judge who is saved. "The Lord knoweth them that are His" (2 Timothy 2:19). We cannot look into anyone's heart and say whether or not they have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour, if they profess that they have. But we had better test ourselves according to 2 Corinthians 5:17: "If any man be IN CHRIST, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." If this change has not taken place, our profession is vain.

ELEMENTS IN JUDGMENT

The New Testament Greek word that is most often translated "judge" or "judgment" is "krino." On the one hand, it means to distinguish, to decide, to determine, to conclude, to try, to think and to call in question. That is what God wants His children to do as to whether preachers, teachers and their teachings are true or false to His Word.

The Apostle Paul writes: "And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; that ye may approve things that are excellent" (Philippians 1:9-10). A wrong idea of love and lack of knowledge and judgment causes God's people often to approve things that are anything but excellent in God's sight. The epistle to the Hebrews tells us that mature believers, that is, those who are of "full age," are those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil" (Hebrews 5:14).

On the other hand, the Greek word "krino"--judge or judgment--means to condemn, to sentence, and to punish. This is God's prerogative, for He has said, "Venegeance is Mine, I will repay, saith the Lord" (Romans 12:19).

Thus Christians are to exercise discernment, but not vengeance.

GUARD AGAINST A WRONG ATTITUDE

Christians should watch against the tendency of the flesh to assume a critical and censorious attitude toward those who do not share our opinions about other matters than those which have to do with Bible doctrine and moral conduct. Rather than "pick to pieces" our brethren in Christ, it is our privilege and duty to do everything we can to encourage their spiritual upbuilding. We ought to love and pray for one another and consider ourselves lest we be tempted.

A FINAL WORD

If you are saved, my reader, let us not forget that "we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ" (2 Corinthians 5:10). It will be well with those who are studying God's Word, walking in the light of it, living for Christ and the salvation of souls. It will go ill with those who have accepted Christ but who are living for the things of this world.

If you are a mere professor of Christ, or profess nothing, my friend, may I lovingly remind you that "judgment must begin at the house of God; and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the Gospel?" (1 Peter 4:17). Delay not another moment to ask God for Christ's sake to forgive your sins. Surrender your heart and will to the loving Saviour who died for you. Make Him the Lord of your life. Happy and blessed will you be, now and forever.

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