Obedience to the word of God is NOT optional -if we persist in disobedience we are not saved

[Alithis]

I'm not really sure what you're saying. John 3:16 tells us what Jesus did for those who believe in Him.

My own view is that Jesus died for our sin as His gift to us, and anyone who believes upon Jesus for forgiveness of sin will have everlasting life. Good works that follow are out of gratitude for what we have received. Some people have more gratitude than others, probably based on how aware they are of what their sin is/was.

As for the law, Jesus said He didn't come to abolish (destroy) the law, but to fulfill it. I take this to mean that HE has accomplished in the Law what is required of us. Since we can't fulfill it ourselves, we "get a lift" from the One who already did.

and there in lays the partial message .. the popular part of the good news is that Jesus loves you and forgives your sin'
the unpopular part which is largely omitted is .., you believe this to be so ?.. then REPENT .

not because he loves you..., continue to do that which is vile to him and so spit in his face in response to his love for you .
disobedience displays rebellion and rejection of his love for us .
thus it is not optional .he will cut out reject cast away burn with fire those who continue works of iniquity .. being things they know darn well are sin but they keep doing them thus showing they love those things more then they love him .

 

[stuart lawrence]

If you talking about having a clear consciounce with God in christ jesus i have that.
So dont trouble your self with it.

I think who ever youve been listening to. In order to come up with the things your saying is either left of center ..or youve misinterpreted what they said .. Probably the latter.

 

[Si_monfaith]

As for your inference satan/ demons are posting through me. The Pharisees told Jesus he was possessed by demons.
And Jesus warned the disciples they would be treated as he was

Satan tries to make the dying in Christ's death to kge sound ridiculous. Why? Will he who made mankind choose the kge, let them die in Christ to kge?

But Jesus crushed his head on cross by dying for us.

 

[Si_monfaith]

Well the lord jesus in whom you profess to trust.said "..if you love me you will keep my commands ..which means do what i tell you to do.

If we refuse to ,we show we dont love him and if we dont love ..the love of god is not in us.

How much worse then if we preach against obedience which expresses love.

The issue is not being naked. The issue is satan persuaded them to choose kge. Will satan let them die to kge in Christ's death?

 

[Si_monfaith]

What does kge mean?

Knowledge of good & evil which eve chose against God's will & which brought all curses & death to mankind.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Paul writing to believers/christians:

Flee from sexual immorality. All other SINS a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body
1cor6:18

There are a few on the internet you come across who are led of the holy spirit into truth, a few.

There are many others who think they know and think they have revelation few others have.

The few makes these sites tolerable.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Knowledge of good & evil which eve chose against God's will & which brought all curses & death to mankind.

Flee the EVIL desires of youth......
2 tim2:22

If a christian rejects knowledge of good and evil they cannot follow Paul's advice and flee evil can they!

Think you better stay on the internet. You won't get far preaching your strange views in the flesh

 

[Si_monfaith]

Flee the EVIL desires of youth......
2 tim2:22

If a christian rejects knowledge of good and evil they cannot follow Paul's advice and flee evil can they!

Think you better stay on the internet. You won't get far preaching your strange views in the flesh

If people were to live using kge, God would not have told adam to avoid choosing kge and die.

It was satan who spoke greatly about the benefits of kge. In eden they did not have internet but satan was there!

 

[stuart lawrence]

If people were to live using kge, God would not have told adam to avoid choosing kge and die.

It was satan who spoke greatly about the benefits of kge. In eden they did not have internet but satan was there!

You define knowledge as knowledge of good and evil. Paul tells christians to flee evil desires. They cannot flee them unless they have knowledge of what evil is.

One thing about these kind of internet websites. No matter how much some are proved wrong, they will come back with a reply, they must, the only other option is to admit error. A step too far for many

 

[Si_monfaith]

You define knowledge as knowledge of good and evil. Paul tells christians to flee evil desires. They cannot flee them unless they have knowledge of what evil is.

One thing about these kind of internet websites. No matter how much some are proved wrong, they will come back with a reply, they must, the only other option is to admit error. A step too far for many

Satan might quote God's word to entice people towards kge but his head is crushed by Jesus' death on the cross.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Satan might quote God's word to entice people towards kge but his head is crushed by Jesus' death on the cross.

Well so far you disagree with words of Christ, Paul, Peter, James and John. And you have stated not everything in the bible is the truth.
Then you claim satan is speaking through those who do accept what Christ and the Apostles stated.

You are fortunate this website allows you to continue on it. Many would not

 

[Aldebaran]

Satan might quote God's word to entice people towards kge but his head is crushed by Jesus' death on the cross.

Knowledge itself is not equivelant to the disobedience of Eve. There's a link that gives 10 examples of how knowledge is NOT evil, with Proverbs 1:7 being a classic example: The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Here's the link to the rest: http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/10-bible-verses-about-knowledge/

 

[Si_monfaith]

Knowledge itself is not equivelant to the disobedience of Eve. There's a link that gives 10 examples of how knowledge is NOT evil, with Proverbs 1:7 being a classic example: The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Here's the link to the rest: http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/10-bible-verses-about-knowledge/

Kge (knowledge of good & evil) is different from knowledge of Christ. Christ is tree of life while kge brought all curses & death to mankind.

Kge is good for God as He can comply to it. But man cannot comply & so ends up cursed. Just like snake venom is good for snake to digest food but not orally good for man.

 

[stuart lawrence]

. Christ is tree of life while kge brought all curses & death to mankind.

Kge is good for God as He can comply to it. But man cannot comply & so ends up cursed. .

It was a forgone conclusion that man would go way beyond the message given to Paul to preach. People have to believe they are more enlightened than others. Hence jws, Mormons, seventh day adventists etc.

Knowledge of the law if you like does bring condemnation, IF(IF) you have no saviour from sin( transgression of the law)
The christian does have a saviour from sin so knowledge of the law( that which brings condemnation) does not bring condemnation to them.

Christ stated he did not come to abolish/ destroy the law. Paul confirms this when he states Christ is the end of the law unto rightwousness- not full stop!!!!
However, these core truths are brushed aside and ignored by those who have gone far beyond the leading of the holy spirit into truth, being led by their errant zeal.

The scriptures that refute this frankly naive approach are many, but they are simply ignored.

Man cannot reenter the garden of Eden to recreate a time before the forbidden fruit was eaten. They don't need to, for the believer has a saviour from their sin.
As john clearly tells us. Those who claim to be without sin have not the truth in them.
Jesus did not come to destroy the law, as he stated, but to abolish the condemnation of the law for those who accept him as their saviour from sin.
However, the flesh of those with errant views will not allow them to accept the truth

 

[Dave-W]

If people were to live using kge, God would not have told adam to avoid choosing kge and die.
It was satan who spoke greatly about the benefits of kge. In eden they did not have internet but satan was there!

I am not sure if you have put this together yet, but in several places Paul writes "I would not have you ignorant...." thus making ignorance a sin.

Knowledge is necessary; but the source is important. What was God's question? "WHO told you that you were naked?" The knowledge itself was not as important as the source of that knowledge.

 

[Aldebaran]

Kge (knowledge of good & evil) is different from knowledge of Christ. Christ is tree of life while kge brought all curses & death to mankind.

Kge is good for God as He can comply to it. But man cannot comply & so ends up cursed. Just like snake venom is good for snake to digest food but not orally good for man.

The kge isn't the only "curse" we have. Genesis 3:14-19 tells us what God did as a punishment for their disobedience. It wasn't a direct result of eating the fruit. It was added by God afterwards. However, Adam and Eve discovering their nakedness was a direct result.

 

[Si_monfaith]

I am not sure if you have put this together yet, but in several places Paul writes "I would not have you ignorant...." thus making ignorance a sin.

Knowledge is necessary; but the source is important. What was God's question? "WHO told you that you were naked?" The knowledge itself was not as important as the source of that knowledge.

Paul speaks about knowledge of Christ's love & not the kge that brought curses & death.

Kge told them they were naked which was why God forbade them. Kge produces guilt & thus separates man from God.

God created the tree of kge but told not to choose. Paul or any apostle would not contradict God.

 

[Si_monfaith]

The kge isn't the only "curse" we have. Genesis 3:14-19 tells us what God did as a punishment for their disobedience. It wasn't a direct result of eating the fruit. It was added by God afterwards. However, Adam and Eve discovering their nakedness was a direct result.

Actually kge is not curse. Kge cannot be conformed to hence leads to curses.

Only Jesus can conform to kge. And so God forbade man to not choose it.

 

[Si_monfaith]

In Gen 3:22, God closed the tree of life (tol) only becz they chose the kge. But....

In Rev 2:7, God opens the access to tol. How is it possible to partake of the tol without being set free from kge?

 

[Aldebaran]

In Gen 3:22, God closed the tree of life (tol) only becz they chose the kge. But....

In Rev 2:7, God opens the access to tol. How is it possible to partake of the tol without being set free from kge?

Interesting point! So if this is the case, when is it that we're set free from knowing good and evil? Is it when we are saved, or when the Holy Spirit enters us, or is it after we die?