Obedience to the word of God is NOT optional -if we persist in disobedience we are not saved

[Alithis]

Obedience while still affirming the knowledge of good & evil that brought all curses & death to mankind, amounts to nothing.

It is like advising a hiv infected person to obey and do physical exercises!

what a load of fluff .. go back and read the op

 

[Alithis]

Law does not hold penalty alone. It also contains or supplies kge (roma3:20).

Lord who told adam to avoid kge, will he write law into hearts which contains kge which brought death to mankind?

The whole truth is given thru paul though he was not able to repeat the whole truth at all times due to limitations he faced due to Judaism & gnosticism both of which were terribly ignorant of grace.

Sin is revived by the law that supplies the kge.

The power of sin is broken or dead only when law/kge is eliminated (roman7:8).

Trying to break the power of sin by leaving kge as it is, is the same as addressing the symptoms & leaving out the issue of infection.

this information meaningless . it not scripture its not bible . your parroting what some one has told you without any scriptural back up and when you use scripture you rip verses out of the bible context and seem to have an agenda your trying to push but wont come out and day what it is .
and haven't as far as i'm aware answered my question ..

are you a naturist ?

 

[Si_monfaith]

John summed it up well.

If anyone claims to be without sin the truth is not in them

To know you have sin requires knowledge of sin.

Enough said

Claiming to be without sin apart from Christ is entirely different from trusting Christ who by setting us free from the law (ephe 2:15) has rendered sin dead (rom7:8).

 

[Alithis]

Claiming to be without sin apart from Christ is entirely different from trusting Christ who by setting us free from the law (ephe 2:15) has rendered sin dead (rom7:8).

this information also is meaningless . it not scripture its not bible . your parroting what some one has told you without any scriptural back up and when you use scripture you rip verses out of the bible context and seem to have an agenda your trying to push but wont come out and day what it is .
and haven't as far as i'm aware answered my question ..

are you a naturist ?

 

[Alithis]

the OP

some like to imply that the bible lies ..when it says do a certain thing they say .. o
"oh no you don't have to do that ,because their word is greater than God's word and we must follow their opinion not God
we must ignore the word of God ..
but God is not mocked and he will judge according to his own word and not peoples amended opinions

 

[stuart lawrence]

Claiming to be without sin apart from Christ is entirely different from trusting Christ who by setting us free from the law (ephe 2:15) has rendered sin dead (rom7:8).

Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed james5:16

You are indeed quoting a few verses parrot fashion, and doing so out of context without understanding the true message of the Gospel.
Romans chapter 7 is a very illuminating chapter, but it is clear to me you do not understand it.

So then the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. Verse12

God did not destroy that which is holy, righteous and good. To state he did simply shows a lack of understanding of God and the Gospel message

 

[Si_monfaith]

this information meaningless . it not scripture its not bible . your parroting what some one has told you without any scriptural back up and when you use scripture you rip verses out of the bible context and seem to have an agenda your trying to push but wont come out and day what it is .
and haven't as far as i'm aware answered my question ..

are you a naturist ?

I have quoted many verses. Your post contained no verse but accusations.

Your agenda might be to live with kge & trust in human works. But for me the works of Jesus is all sufficient

 

[Si_monfaith]

Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed james5:16

You are indeed quoting a few verses parrot fashion, and doing so out of context without understanding the true message of the Gospel.
Romans chapter 7 is a very illuminating chapter, but it is clear to me you do not understand it.

So then the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. Verse12

God did not destroy that which is holy, righteous and good. To state he did simply shows a lack of understanding of God and the Gospel message

The knowledge of good & evil (kge) sounds very good. The whole world adores it by basing laws on it. But God told that if man chooses kge, they would die.

Satan also knew he cannot harm mankind without first bringing them under the kge.

 

[Si_monfaith]

what a load of fluff .. go back and read the op

You seem to be conforming to the kge (which you seem to trust) by your manner of reply, do you?

 

[Alithis]

I have quoted many verses. Your post contained no verse but accusations.

Your agenda might be to live with kge & trust in human works. But for me the works of Jesus is all sufficient

do you love the lord Jesus ?

 

[Si_monfaith]

Which is worse?
To claim in reality a law of righteousness exists, or to claim Christ came to destroy the law?

Jesus said if the Pharisees were blind they would not be guilty, but as they claimed they knew the truth their guilt remained

Yes, the Pharisees claimed to know kge very well & not Christ.

Therefore they are guilty with no escape without Christ.

Lord will give you grace to not fear being ridiculed for renouncing kge.

 

[Si_monfaith]

do you love the lord Jesus ?

The question could be rephrased to, "Do you love Jesus only by trusting that His works can keep you remain saved or love human works by trusting in it to save in addition to His works?".

Talking about doing human good works unashamedly & openly only shows that the greatness & the absolute of the works of Jesus is not clearly understood.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Yes, the Pharisees claimed to know kge very well & not Christ.

Therefore they are guilty with no escape without Christ.

Lord will give you grace to not fear being ridiculed for renouncing kge.

For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith, goodness, and to goodness knowledge.....
2peter1:5

You are simply ignoring huge swathes of very plain scripture and woodenly reciting a couple of verses and taking them out of context.

Under thenew covenant one of its core terms is God writing his laws on your mind and placing them on your heart. Once that happens:

Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

You really need to humble yourself and admit your error

 

[stuart lawrence]

Yes, the Pharisees claimed to know kge very well & not Christ.

Therefore they are guilty with no escape without Christ.

Lord will give you grace to not fear being ridiculed for renouncing kge.

For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith, goodness, and to goodness knowledge.....
2peter1:5

You are simply ignoring huge swathes of very plain scripture and woodenly reciting a couple of verses and taking them out of context.

Under thenew covenant one of its core terms is God writing his laws on your mind and placing them on your heart. Once that happens:

Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

You really need to humble yourself and admit your error

 

[Si_monfaith]

do you love the lord Jesus ?

Yes in line with your trust in kge which tells what a sarcasm, accusation, rudeness is, you could ask the question to yourself as to whether you love Jesus as you seem to trust in "your" love for Jesus.

I prefer to trust Jesus' love for me.

Loving Jesus is saying,"He loved me which is all sufficient". Saying,"I love Jesus" is not loving Him.

 

[stuart lawrence]

The question could be rephrased to, "Do you love Jesus only by trusting that His works can keep you remain saved or love human works by trusting in it to save in addition to His works?".

Talking about doing human good works unashamedly & openly only shows that the greatness & the absolute of the works of Jesus is not clearly understood.

The above shows your lack of understanding. A christian is conscious of their sin. That DOES NOT mean they are trusting in works/ observing the law to attain heaven

 

[Si_monfaith]

For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith, goodness, and to goodness knowledge.....
2peter1:5

You are simply ignoring huge swathes of very plain scripture and woodenly reciting a couple of verses and taking them out of context.

Under thenew covenant one of its core terms is God writing his laws on your mind and placing them on your heart. Once that happens:

Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

You really need to humble yourself and admit your error

We are not saved by our humility but Jesus' humility till his death.

You need Jesus' grace to focus on Jesus rather on you & your humility.

 

[stuart lawrence]

We are not saved by our humility but Jesus' humility till his death.

You need Jesus' grace to focus on Jesus rather on you & your humility.

Christians know they must focus on Jesus, for they are acutely aware of their shoetcomings/sin.

If you claim to be sinless/ have no sin, or knowledge of sin, you have no need of a saviour do you

 

[Si_monfaith]

The above shows your lack of understanding. A christian is conscious of their sin. That DOES NOT mean they are trusting in works/ observing the law to attain heaven

Consciousness of sin is what the animal sacrifices could not cleanse them from (heb10:3).

But Jesus' sacrifice has cleansed us from sin consciousness & has made us perfect (heb10:14, 10).

 

[stuart lawrence]

Peter tells us to seek knowledge. John tells us if we claim to be without sin and the truth is not in us. James tells us to confess our sins one to another.
Ny NT has 27 books in it, they all need to be accepted!!