Obama pro/con (6)

[Kalevalatar]

The last few months show a move away from socialism was a necessary thing in France.

I'm sorry but I must say you lost me here. Could you elaborate, please. How did France supposedly "move away from socialism" in the past few months specifically. I mean, it's been more than a decade since Mitterrand.

 

[platzapS]

It's kind of like saying...."See, Germany has a great public transportation system, America can do it too." Of course, it isn't preactical for the US.

However, even the US is young, when we look at the big picture of human history we know that no nation can maintain growth, high taxes, massive social spending and survive. We also know that when the payee's outnumber the payor's things don't last.

That's an absurd shifting of the goalposts. No nation in the world, no matter their economic or social or political philosophies, can last forever. Norway has had a stable political climate and an economy that provides a basic standard of living to all citizens for half a century. I could just as easily say that in "the big picture of human history", no nation can survive democracy and Christianity.

 

[JoyJuice]

i see you are incapable of addressing anything obama has proposed. thx for showing your blind allegiance to whatever the dems throw up in the campaign to buy votes.

Why address it when I am essentially agreeing that wealth redistribution needs to be revisted. As Warren Buffett said, "he was taxed at 17.7 percent on his taxable income of more than $46 million. His receptionist was taxed at about 30 percent." Something is wrong with that picture.

 

[platzapS]

I didn't want him to win, but the reality is he is going to. I hope he can be stopped in November.

Why don't you like him, abortion?

 

[Avatar]

Why don't you like him, abortion?

Partially, mainly because of his inexperience. He's a young politician (a one-term senator) and I'm not at all sure he has the ability to be commander-in-chief. If he does, I pray he has a crack team of advisors. I just don't see what he brings to the job other than the perception that America has moved beyond her horrid, racially divisive past. So he's the 'feel good' candidate for a lot of people.

 

[Adivi]

Hillary deserves a chance to run for president.

Who is that upstart to stop her?

Clinton would have to get about 75% of the remaining superdelegates and 100% of the remaining normal delegates in order to win at this point. I'm pretty sure she can't win.

 

[Speculative]

Obama will almost certainly win. He's ahead in the pledged delegates, he's gaining superdelegates, and he has the popular vote unless you do the crazy math the Hillary campaign uses.

Hillary claims to be ahead in the popular vote, but that's only if:
-You don't count caucus states
-You count Florida, which violated party rules by moving its party up.
-You count the votes cast in Michigan for Hillary, even though Obama wasn't on the ballot.
-You don't count any of the "Undecided" votes in Michigan, which was what many Obama and Edwards supporters chose.

She's heavily in debt and Obama is already switching into general-election mode against McCain. She will probably drop out between June 3 and June 10.

I agree with this. Clinton's only chance now is to try to somehow seat the Michigan and Florida delegates and divvy them up in her favor. The fact that the previously undeclared superdels are lining up behind Obama leads me to believe that the party leaders will be disinclined to acquiesce to her request.

 

[Kalevalatar]

He probably won't choose a Republican or very conservative Democrat, because whoever he chooses will be the party's next-in-line and Obama would want his successor to carry on progressive change. I doubt it will be a huge Clinton supporter like Ed Rendell.

That is a good point and makes sense.

 

[NeTrips]

Addressing a Memorial Day crowd Monday, Sen. Barack Obama made an interesting observation:

On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.

That's right: Sen. Obama sees "fallen heroes" attending his speech.

Now, the senator obviously misspoke--something we all do - so it's no big deal in and of itself. But something is happening to Barack Obama and it's starting to be a trend. He's getting a reputation as the "one-man gaffe machine."

Yes, George W. Bush is at least as bad, if not worse. But this could end up being a significant problem for Sen. Obama if the "ready on Day One" issue is ever an issue again....

 

[Adivi]

Addressing a Memorial Day crowd Monday, Sen. Barack Obama made an interesting observation:





That's right: Sen. Obama sees "fallen heroes" attending his speech.

Now, the senator obviously misspoke--something we all do - so it's no big deal in and of itself. But something is happening to Barack Obama and it's starting to be a trend. He's getting a reputation as the "one-man gaffe machine."

Yes, George W. Bush is at least as bad, if not worse. But this could end up being a significant problem for Sen. Obama if the "ready on Day One" issue is ever an issue again....

I'm not exactly sure why misspeaking has anything to do with preparedness. I mean sure, it's bad, but this wasn't a particularly bad one.

 

[KarateCowboy]

That was good for a laugh.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

Addressing a Memorial Day crowd Monday, Sen. Barack Obama made an interesting observation:





That's right: Sen. Obama sees "fallen heroes" attending his speech.

Now, the senator obviously misspoke--something we all do - so it's no big deal in and of itself. But something is happening to Barack Obama and it's starting to be a trend. He's getting a reputation as the "one-man gaffe machine."

Yes, George W. Bush is at least as bad, if not worse. But this could end up being a significant problem for Sen. Obama if the "ready on Day One" issue is ever an issue again....

Your kidding! Obama saw dead soldiers in the crowd?

Ok, Mispoke. But while we are on the subject, I could do with a lot less "AHHHHH's" When Obama has to speak on the fly.

 

[NeTrips]

Yeah, a president never has to do that.

 

[Adivi]

Yeah, a president never has to do that.

That's right! We should elect presidents who have absolutely perfect diction, and this is the most important thing to look for in a candidate! Now, if only one existed...

 

[Ryal Kane]

I think it's probably a gaff, yes, although it's possible he was referring to the wounded.
But despite the attempts of his critics, he's hardly 'a gaffe machine'.

then again, it's the Karl Rove strategy in action. Attack your opponents strengths.
So far Obama's race and rligion have been attacked.
Now the target seems to be his speaking skills.

 

[mont974x4]

Addressing a Memorial Day crowd Monday, Sen. Barack Obama made an interesting observation:





That's right: Sen. Obama sees "fallen heroes" attending his speech.

Now, the senator obviously misspoke--something we all do - so it's no big deal in and of itself. But something is happening to Barack Obama and it's starting to be a trend. He's getting a reputation as the "one-man gaffe machine."

Yes, George W. Bush is at least as bad, if not worse. But this could end up being a significant problem for Sen. Obama if the "ready on Day One" issue is ever an issue again....

Maybe he's hoping to get the walking dead vote? Or it's a sign of what they are going to do, register dead people to vote.

 

[NeTrips]

so does that mean his race is a strength?

 

[Adivi]

so does that mean his race is a strength?

Wait.... what?

 

[mont974x4]

Wait.... what?

post #7 Ryal commented on attacking your opponents strengths and went on to say Obama's race and religion were already attacked.

So, the question was asked if Obama's race was considered a strength. I'm sure it is. Many people want to vote for a black person, just as many people want to vote for a woman. And then there are those who vote against those groups and there are those who are fraid to vote against Obama and Hillary based on the issues because they are afraid they will be judged as racist or sexist.

Of course, there are people who gneuinely agree with both Obama and Hillary on the issues.

 

[Ryal Kane]

so does that mean his race is a strength?

Potentially yes. Obama has a black father and a white mother, thus his heritage could be used as a symbol for healing racial divides.
Using the Rovian strategy, this was turned into a message of 'fear Obama, he's a black militant.'