Obama's Legacy -- The Great Divider

[Mountainmanbob]

Obama promised to unite
yet, he will go down in history as the Great Divider.
It's sad because, so many wanted to work with him so as to
Make America Great Again.

Now, let us all support and give Trump a chance.

M-Bob

 

[Haramis]

so many wanted to work with him so as to
Make America Great Again.

Yes, that's why Republicans promoted Romneycare as their alternative to single payer. Then Obama decided to pre-compromise and proposed their own plan to them, and they declared it socialism.

That's why McConnell said in 2009, his primary role was obstruction.

Because so many Republicans were willing to work with Obama.

 

[tulc]

Obama promised to unite
yet, he will go down in history as the Great Divider.
It's sad because, so many wanted to work with him so as to
Make America Great Again.

Now, let us all support and give Trump a chance.

M-Bob

...do you have any proof that A) President Obama will go down in history as "The Great Divider" and B) President-elect Trump has any intention of "Making America Great again"?
tulc(is just curious)

 

[Tull]

America needs jobs industry and prosperity not more social programs,not more meddling,not more baby sitting,not more monitoring,not more "special" people who "deserve" more than others regardless of effort or contribution,not more shoulders with big chips on them,not more disgruntled willfully dysfunctional malcontents demanding more,more,more.

 

[SolomonVII]

Obama promised to unite
yet, he will go down in history as the Great Divider.
It's sad because, so many wanted to work with him so as to
Make America Great Again.

Now, let us all support and give Trump a chance.

M-Bob

The legacy of Obama most definitely is leaving America a much more divided country in the eight years that he had to fulfill his promise to unite. The electorate is not just divided on Red State/Blue State lines, but even more on racial lines. [Staff edit].
Fortunately, with Democrats joining in in bipartisan support against Obama's latest ploy against Israel, the age of such division may well prove not to be a lasting legacy.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

It's funny how Obama has been on TV lately trying to convince the public how great his legacy will be. Just because he states it in no way makes it true -- a look at his track record proves this point.

I can't think of any past president that tried to prove of himself so great on his way out.

Time will tell the truth. I forsee the historians placing Obama in the same boat as Jimmy Carter. Nice guy but, in no way one of our great presidents.

M-Bob

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Barack Obama's legacy: The great divider of the people
by High Plains Pundit 4 days ago
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Barack Obama definitely has been one of the most partisan Presidents the U.S. has ever elected. He has made the least effort to reach out to the opposition party of any President in living memory.

Traditionally the POTUS, once elected, tries to become more inclusive and willing to compromise. They used to invite the opposition Congressional leaders to dinner, and to golf.

Obama did neither, and spent his first 2-3 years snubbing the opposition, whining about them, blaming them for all of America's ills ("We were handed this recession", "We were handed this war"), denigrating their supporters ("they're clinging to their guns or religion"), and attacking them in nearly every speech.

In doing so, Obama inflamed rather than extinguished partisan passions. He could have, and should have, reached a compromise with the Republicans over the Affordable Care Act; they had made all sorts of proposals. However, with a temporary 60% majority in the Senate, he felt he didn't need to, and ended up signing a bill into law without a single Republican vote. Predictably, a year later he and his party were crushed by a massive sweep of Congress in 2010; the Democrats lost their super-majority of the Senate and they lost the House completely, and permanently.

Obama has inflamed race relations as well, with his constant race baiting proclamations that seem to affirm the rights of a minority to commit acts of violence against the police, in incident after incident.

 

[SolomonVII]

Obama to GOP: 'I won'

Obama was very clear from the starting gate that while he was very willing to campaign on the slogan of being the great uniter and the great healer, in the end 'he won', and the GOP and those who clung to their guns and religions lost.
He defined his legacy as being a partisan working for the 'us' and against the 'them' with those two simple words.

"I won".
That is the attitude of someone who revels in divisiveness.

Other than that, what would his legacy even be?
It cannot be Obamacare, because even now, the whole package is coming apart at the seams. It is a clunky system that is proving itself to be unsustainable.
It cannot be a successful foreign policy, with ISIS on the rise, and refugees bringing a humanitarian crisis into the streets of Europe, with Iraq spiraling into the Iranian sphere, and Afghanistan going back to the Taliban. It cannot be a nuclear Iran.
I mean that is not a legacy; that is a fiasco.
Remember the Benghazi embassy!!.. I don't think so. It is a far cry from those who wrote the legacy of the Alamo at any rate. Those who pulled victory from the jaws of disaster have a legacy. Those who snatch defeat from the jaws of victory do not.

His legacy cannot be the bypassing of Congress to rule by the decrees of Executive Order. What can be brought into existence with the stroke of a pen, will fade into oblivion with the stroke of an other presidential pen.
There is nothing of lasting value there either.
We do not need historians to decide what his legacy has been. A fortnight away, and his legacy will have already be written. It is visible for all to see.
It is the legacy of a great divider, and nothing more to show for it than just that.

 

[tulc]

Seriously, this is fascinating. You all see this whole last 8 years completely different from how the majority of Americans see the last 8 years. The Republicans did everything they could to hinder, derail and oppose everything President Obama and the Democrats were trying to do, all I saw from the Republicans was every time someone reached across the aisle to try and get help for the very people who elected them the Republicans spit in their faces and did as much as they could to hinder them. Seriously the divide I see is (almost) completely of the Republicans making. The divisions weren't of President Obama's making, it's the people who seemed more interested in scoring points then in helping others. That's how I see it. As a result of those same Republicans we now have the least qualified person in history going to be sworn in a few days. [Staff edit].

 

[SolomonVII]

Or in the words of Trump, 'the lyin' media'.
Sheeple heed the voice that they want to hear, even when they know it is not true. sheeple do not believe their lyin' eyes.
Herd instinct prevails.

 

[JackRT]

I believe that history will regard Obama as a better than average president who could have been a great president had he received better support from Congress. Republican obstructionism will be the hallmark of his terms.

 

[nChrist]

I think that Obama's legacy is a mess - a mess out of everything he touched.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Obama promised to unite
yet, he will go down in history as the Great Divider.
It's sad because, so many wanted to work with him so as to
Make America Great Again.

Now, let us all support and give Trump a chance.

M-Bob

Regardless of which side you are on, it's obvious that Obama has caused the country to be more divided than ever.

 

[tulc]

Regardless of which side you are on, it's obvious that Obama has caused the country to be more divided than ever.

no, not really. That people lost their minds because he got elected twice isn't him causing the division, it's them simply choosing to be divisive when they had ample opportunity to not do so. The Republicans had hundreds of opportunities to work together with the Democrats and help solve the problems this country faces and without fail they chose to obstruct instead. Now, after 8 years of doing this, for them to claim to want everyone to "come together to make America great again!" while simultaneously claiming every division in this country was the Democrats fault is laughable.
tulc(knows a way that the Republican/conservatives could show they were serious about doing the right thing, but it will never happen)

 

[Tull]

Seriously, this is fascinating. You all see this whole last 8 years completely different from how the majority of Americans see the last 8 years.

It all depends on what group you are in,if you work for a living and pay ALL your own bills it was not a great eight years,if you don't work and pay little or none of your own bills it was party time,if you are part of the responsible demographic it was not a great eight years,if you are part of the demographic that gets to blame everyone else for your problems it was a great eight years, [staff edit],if you are a wealthy liberal celebrity who can afford to live above the damage then it was a great eight years.


The issue of division is simple,if you tell me all of your problems are my fault,that I am responsible for what my ancestors did 150 year ago but you are not responsible for what you do today then we are going to be permanently divided... we do not have and never will have any common ground.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

It all depends on what group you are in,if you work for a living and pay ALL your own bills it was not a great eight years,if you don't work and pay little or none of your own bills it was party time,if you are part of the responsible demographic it was not a great eight years,if you are part of the demographic that gets to blame everyone else for your problems it was a great eight years, [staff edit],if you are a wealthy liberal celebrity who can afford to live above the damage then it was a great eight years.


The issue of division is simple,if you tell me all of your problems are my fault,that I am responsible for what my ancestors did 150 year ago but you are not responsible for what you do today then we are going to be permanently divided.......we do not have and never will have any common ground.

Yes. Good point. It was a great 8 years for the advancement and normalizing of sin and perversion. And if you hate free speech (stuff that offends you), it's been a particularly good run.

 

[tulc]

It all depends on what group you are in,if you work for a living and pay ALL your own bills it was not a great eight years,if you don't work and pay little or none of your own bills it was party time,if you are part of the responsible demographic it was not a great eight years,if you are part of the demographic that gets to blame everyone else for your problems it was a great eight years, [staff edit],if you are a wealthy liberal celebrity who can afford to live above the damage then it was a great eight years.


The issue of division is simple,if you tell me all of your problems are my fault,that I am responsible for what my ancestors did 150 year ago but you are not responsible for what you do today then we are going to be permanently divided.......we do not have and never will have any common ground.

hmmm...what I'm taking away from the above is: "all the problems in this country are someone else's fault!"
tulc (suspects the irony in this post is also going to be ignored)

 

[Mountainmanbob]

The Republicans had hundreds of opportunities to work together with the Democrats and help solve the problems this country faces and without fail they chose to obstruct instead.

The Republicans sure weren't able to stop the disaster of ObamaCare being forced down our throats -- were they?

It all started to go downhill for Obama when he did his famous "apology tour."

M-Bob

 

[JackRT]

The Republicans sure weren't able to stop the disaster of ObamaCare being forced down our throats -- were they?

It all started to go downhill for Obama when he did his famous "apology tour."

M-Bob

From what I have seen Obamacare isn't a disaster. The insurers have had to raise premiums because Congress has only approved 12% of the funding the plan called for. This is quite typical of the GOP attempting to block or sabotage every initiative of the President.

 

[tulc]

No, [staff edit],Obama's presidency was all about the lazy, malcontented and dysfunctional whiners having their day.

Yeah, you said that in your post: all the problems of this country are caused by people who aren't like you. If I'm wrong could you point out anywhere in your post you said some of the problems in America are caused by the people who are like you?
tulc (will gladly change his post when it's shown he's wrong)