Obamagate Timeline...Explains A Lot

DaisyDay said:

Are you accusing Trump of transnational terrorism?

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Still patiently waiting for you to substantiate your claim - thank you in advance.

Simply Put said:

Still patiently waiting for you to substantiate your claim - thank you in advance.

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Read the link provided to you - twice, for your convenience. **sigh** you can lead a horse to water...

Simply Put said:

I understand what is being repeated time after time after times after time. What is not being presented is proof of it.

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Proof that Presidents have the power to classify and de-classify information?

Veritas said:

He doesn't need to. If you look at the photo I posted above of the NYT cover page, it states in the red circled headline "Wiretapped data used in inquiry of Trump aides". How did the NYT know this? It was leaked to them by traitors in the intelligence community. So the NYT has agreed with Trump (on this particular day) that he was spied on. But even worse, the NYT later came out and accused Trump of having no evidence that he was spied on. Hey NYT, which is it?

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Nice try.......no, check that....it's a terrible try..!

The "no evidence" refers to his bizarre accusations that it was Obama that arranged the wiretap. That some of his phone calls were recorded seems certain. But he has produced NO EVIDENCE to show who authorised those recordings.

Just what was "The Donald" doing at 6:00 o'clock on a Saturday morning for him to come to the conclusion that he was wiretapped by Obama?

Aren't all of American's intelligence agencies just a phone call away for a President who really wants to know as to whether he was wiretapped?

What was Trump's motive for tweeting an unconfirmed assertion to the American public rather than contact the intelligence agencies to determine its truthfulness?

jgarden said:

Just what was "The Donald" doing at 6:00 o'clock on a Saturday morning for him to come to the conclusion that he was wiretapped by Obama?

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Watching Infowars.....?

Veritas said:

Still, it was a fishing expedition that yielded nothing.

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How do you know this?

KCfromNC said:

How do you know this?

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We have always been at peace with Eurasia.

DaisyDay said:

Read the link provided to you - twice, for your convenience. **sigh** you can lead a horse to water...

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The link says nothing about the President having authority to classify nor declassify anything. It doesn't mention the president at all.

You can post it as many times as you want, it still will not show the President having the power to classify or declassify anything.

Im not your horse and there is no water here

Simply Put said:

The link says nothing about the President having authority to classify nor declassify anything. It doesn't mention the president at all.

You can post it as many times as you want, it still will not show the President having the power to classify or declassify anything.

Im not your horse and there is no water here

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The EO linked actually does give the President and Vice President authority to classify information:

Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority. 
(a)   The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by:
 
(1)   the President and the Vice President;
(2)   agency heads and officials designated by the President; and
(3)   United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph (c) of this section.
(b)   Officials authorized to classify information at a specified level are also authorized to classify information at a lower level.
(c)   Delegation of original classification authority.
 
(1)   Delegations of original classification authority shall be limited to the minimum required to administer this order. Agency heads are responsible for ensuring that designated subordinate officials have a demonstrable and continuing need to exercise this authority.
(2)   “Top Secret” original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, or an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section.
(3)   “Secret” or “Confidential” original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section, or the senior agency official designated under section 5.4(d) of this order, provided that official has been delegated “Top Secret” original classification authority by the agency head.
(4)   Each delegation of original classification authority shall be in writing and the authority shall not be redelegated except as provided in this order. Each delegation shall identify the official by name or position.
(5)   Delegations of original classification authority shall be reported or made available by name or position to the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office.
(d)   All original classification authorities must receive training in proper classification (including the avoidance of over-classification) and declassification as provided in this order and its implementing directives at least once a calendar year. Such training must include instruction on the proper safeguarding of classified information and on the sanctions in section 5.5 of this order that may be brought against an individual who fails to classify information properly or protect classified information from unauthorized disclosure. Original classification authorities who do not receive such mandatory training at least once within a calendar year shall have their classification authority suspended by the agency head or the senior agency official designated under section 5.4(d) of this order until such training has taken place. A waiver may be granted by the agency head, the deputy agency head, or the senior agency official if an individual is unable to receive such training due to unavoidable circumstances. Whenever a waiver is granted, the individual shall receive such training as soon as practicable.


However, unless the President classified the information to begin with, I don't see that he would have authority to declassify.

Sec. 3.1. Authority for Declassification. 
(a)   Information shall be declassified as soon as it no longer meets the standards for classification under this order.
(b)   Information shall be declassified or downgraded by:
 
(1)   the official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority;
(2)   the originator's current successor in function, if that individual has original classification authority;
(3)   a supervisory official of either the originator or his or her successor in function, if the supervisory official has original classification authority; or
(4)   officials delegated declassification authority in writing by the agency head or the senior agency official of the originating agency.
(c)   The Director of National Intelligence (or, if delegated by the Director of National Intelligence, the Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence) may, with respect to the Intelligence Community, after consultation with the head of the originating Intelligence Community element or department, declassify, downgrade, or direct the declassification or downgrading of information or intelligence relating to intelligence sources, methods, or activities.
(d)   It is presumed that information that continues to meet the classification requirements under this order requires continued protection. In some exceptional cases, however, the need to protect such information may be outweighed by the public interest in disclosure of the information, and in these cases the information should be declassified. When such questions arise, they shall be referred to the agency head or the senior agency official. That official will determine, as an exercise of discretion, whether the public interest in disclosure outweighs the damage to the national security that might reasonably be expected from disclosure. This provision does not:
 
(1)   amplify or modify the substantive criteria or procedures for classification; or
(2)   create any substantive or procedural rights subject to judicial review.
(e)   If the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office determines that information is classified in violation of this order, the Director may require the information to be declassified by the agency that originated the classification. Any such decision by the Director may be appealed to the President through the National Security Advisor. The information shall remain classified pending a prompt decision on the appeal.
(f)   The provisions of this section shall also apply to agencies that, under the terms of this order, do not have original classification authority, but had such authority under predecessor orders.
(g)   No information may be excluded from declassification under section 3.3 of this order based solely on the type of document or record in which it is found. Rather, the classified information must be considered on the basis of its content.
(h)   Classified nonrecord materials, including artifacts, shall be declassified as soon as they no longer meet the standards for classification under this order.
(i)   When making decisions under sections 3.3, 3.4, and 3.5 of this order, agencies shall consider the final decisions of the Panel.

Are you by any chance under the impression that because you quoted an executive order citing procedures for classified material that that means the president has the ability to classify or declassify material.

When in reality the executive order is addressing issues in the intelligence field. Nowhere in the executive order is he giving himself power to do anything with classified material.

Sorry to burst your bubble but it doesn't prove your point

Simply Put said:

The link says nothing about the President having authority to classify nor declassify anything. It doesn't mention the president at all.

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If that's what you think, then you didn't follow & read the link at all. The executive order mentions the President many times, but you have to actually look.

You can post it as many times as you want, it still will not show the President having the power to classify or declassify anything.

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The excerpt does not, but the page in the link does - are you really that lazy that you can't click on a link before you declare it invalid?

Im not your horse and there is no water here

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There's a lakeful of water, but you have to bend down and drink.

Simply Put said:

The link says nothing about the President having authority to classify nor declassify anything. It doesn't mention the president at all.

You can post it as many times as you want, it still will not show the President having the power to classify or declassify anything.

Im not your horse and there is no water here

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Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority. 
(a)   The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by:

 
(1)   the President and the Vice President;

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The waters of denial run deep and wide.

Vylo said:

I think the most revealing part of this timeline is how the moment anything comes to light about Trump's collusion with Russia, another pile of files comes out from putinleaks.

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What collusion with Russia? you mean you are taking the word of the CIA about this? you know, the organization built on lies and secrecy? I don't believe that the CIA has actually shown any evidence. in fact, the whole thing sounds like some sort of stereotypical conspiracy theory.

Aldebaran said:

It seems to depend on whether or not the intelligence agencies (now referred to by the MSM as the intelligence "community") want to work with the president, or would rather be at "war" with him.

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Who needs the Intelligence Community (a term, btw, that has been used since at least the 1980s) when the President can tune into the Breibart Daily briefing for his "facts"?

Vylo said:

I think the most revealing part of this timeline is how the moment anything comes to light about Trump's collusion with Russia, another pile of files comes out from putinleaks.

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For whatever reason, Putin very, very much wanted Trump to win, and there was joy in the Russian ruling circles when it happened:

U.S. intercepts capture senior Russian officials celebrating Trump win
U.S. intelligence captured Russian officials’ communications celebrating Trump’s victory

Senior officials in the Russian government celebrated Donald Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton as a geopolitical win for Moscow, according to U.S. officials who said that American intelligence agencies intercepted communications in the aftermath of the election in which Russian officials congratulated themselves on the outcome.

The ebullient reaction among high-ranking Russian officials — including some who U.S. officials believe had knowledge of the country’s cyber campaign to interfere in the U.S. election — contributed to the U.S. intelligence community’s assessment that Moscow’s efforts were aimed at least in part at helping Trump win the White House.
U.S. intercepts capture senior Russian officials celebrating Trump win

Aldebaran said:

It seems to depend on whether or not the intelligence agencies (now referred to by the MSM as the intelligence "community") want to work with the president, or would rather be at "war" with him.

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And vise versa.