Obama pro/con

[praying]

So what has happened in the past makes this ok??

Are you saying you condone this??

What Obama is for is more of this.....

You have ..snip.....​

Do you have a point? ​

Colors and size are fun, not productive but fun. I am serious in my question though.

 

[NeTrips]

I think he made his point quite well. Many, of course, will disagree, but the point was made.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

There are few facts if any, in 956. Think a thread should be started with that post as the op. Btw, WET has been around ever since tv was invented

 

[praying]

I think he made his point quite well. Many, of course, will disagree, but the point was made.

And what would be his point?

 

[praying]

RDNS I am going to make a thread.

 

[NeTrips]

And what would be his point?

It's in his post.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Thanks praying. No way to discuss those claims without dejacking the thread.

 

[praying]

It's in his post.

No what is in his post is intellectual dishonesty.

 

[NeTrips]

hmmm, that's come up many times in this thread, odd how this alleged occurance is the only one noticed by some.

 

[DieHappy]

I think Obama is a candidate of the highest caliber. I plan on voting for him for president.

I think being in Iraq for the next 100 years is a stupid idea - especially from a guy who may be senile as he can't tell one Muslim or Arab group from another.

Obama '08

Take a trip over to Cambodia and Laos. Ask anyone in any city why there are no birds or rodents or snakes. After they get done done telling how desperately poor they are ask where the killing fields are. Everyone will give you a different answer because there are so many. Ask why things got this bad and they'll tell you that things are tremendously improved but it takes time after the brutality that filled the vacuum from the Americans leaving.

You can talk about we shouldn't have gone to iraq and you may be right, but it takes a willful blindness bordering on insanity to think we should leave in less than a generation.

Obama needs to read up on south east asia. He's either playing the base for dupes or is, himself, a moron. This issue alone that you brought up is a good enough reason that no one should vote for him.

Diehappy, it is not insanity to say we should leave iraq. The Pent Comm study stated point blank our military is at best inadequate and at worst the cause of violence. To think we can force 'demoncracy' by propping up an Islamic theocracy in a nation that has been secular for fifty years is insane. We cant decide for the people of Iraq. That isnt freedom, it's freedom imprisoned.

They are more free now than they have been in several generations. They are more free now than they will be if Obama gets his way the worst strongman in the region seizes power after we leave. They've had elections with higher turnouts than we have here. They are writing a constitution. We had to be pragmatic in the 1700s in order to form a nation, they do, too.

If someone doesn't think there's a scary parallel between the middle east right now and southeast asia 30 years ago, they need to read up on it.

The shameless and unbelievably blind charges of calling Wright a racist and ignorant pastor over and over and over only helps reveal how desperate the situation has become to slam obama. Why is it some of the same camps that deny the problems of racism are also the first ones to label any minority who speaks out against racism a racist? When the Wright well runs dry what will be next? Obama puts too much syrup on his waffles so he's wasteful of resources and has no respect for Aunt Jemima?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/opinion/20kristof.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Much of the time, blacks have a pretty good sense of what whites think, but whites are oblivious to common black perspectives.

What's happening, I think, is that the Obama campaign has led many white Americans to listen in for the first time to some of the black conversation--and they are thunderstruck.

It's not that whites are scared of obama breaking into a white system, it's that we simply can't believe that any rational person believes some of this tripe, let alone someone ostensibly smart enough to run the country.

For some reason, while there is a rational expectation that whites will be respectful when dealing with racial issues, there is no expectation that blacks will do the same. To the point that Obama can talk about a "typical white person" and it's not only accepted, but those who don't accept it are labeled haters and mudslingers.

Because I like reading my own words, and the time thing screwed it all up, here it is again.

 

[dlamberth]

So what has happened in the past makes this ok??

yes.

Are you saying you condone this??

yes.

What Obama is for is more of this.....

To say that Obama is for this (long list deleted for space)...Obama has never spoken on any of that. Nor has he ever acted in a way that was exclusive of the white race. What you present I see as nothing more than hyperbole. Your argument says nothing about Obama. But it does speak volumes about the need to do some inner searching about our own race problems here in America.

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[RealDealNeverstop]

Diehappy, what is the tripe that no rational person should believe? Do you truly believe white america has been paying attention to racism? Do you truly believe the majority of whites are informed of racism? Given my time on cf i would have to say a minority of whites has any grasp on racism while the rest are parallel to the islam defamation agenda. Spouting hate based ignorant claims.

 

[MacCoyle]

I would like to take time to remind everyone that Obama lived in Southeast Asia.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Wasnt he a kid then? Also, living in SE Asia at any point isnt an auto-qualifier for one being knowledgeable just like living in the US doesnt mean one is aware of the problems.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

The facts in post 956 are impossible to refute.

I am repulsed by Stormfront I have went to that site.

I see most of the posts on Stormfront Obamas views in reverse.

Its funny how so few have the courage to talk about these facts.

To speak out against racism is racism. To ignore the difference in race completely is the only way to eventually irradicate the negative effects of racism.

So when someone running for President is a racist like Obama the facts in posts like # 956 are forced to the forefront of discussion to keep things fair.

I agree with you Carey, that Obama is a racist. But we all are to a degree. Even those who pretend they are not. Obama has been raised in an anti American church for over 20 years Fact! Im done with him telling me how I should define the NEW blah blah discussion of race in his terms. However, all of us need to be bigger than all that. To my brothers in christ....I love you!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BKxnJ5iyC-w&feature=related

 

[MacCoyle]

I agree with you Carey, that Obama is a racist. But we all are to a degree. Even those who pretend they are not. Obama has been raised in an anti American church for over 20 years Fact! Im done with him telling me how I should define the NEW blah blah discussion of race in his terms. However, all of us need to be bigger than all that. To my brothers in christ....I love you!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BKxnJ5iyC-w&feature=related

What tells you that Church is Anti-American or Racist?

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

And what is the evidence obama is a racist? I agree we all have internalized racism in some form but that doesnt translate into being a racist. His grandmother is a great example of the difference and the reason he brought her name into it.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

What tells you that Church is Anti-American or Racist?

Well when you actually read his book and read into his resentment of "rich white folk" and his hatred for America, you can call him on it.
It really doesn't take much to read into the church either. I have made my statement earlier in this thread about how I feel on the "Black Liberal Theology".
From the recently revised sect of trinity website:

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.

Why not America?

When does the bitterness end?

Why I posted the video, even though the video is really about abortion. Don't get me started.

I will stick to his public platform for my future posts. That will be more interesting because it spells disaster from what I have read.

 

[Scribbler]

Looks like the hits just keep on coming with Obama. Another pillar of his Spiritual Leadership, James Meeks has been outed as another 'pastor' content with preaching hate and racism.
This one and Obama share a history of campaign contributions from Rezko. How many more of these guys has the Obamessiah counted as spiritual guides and/or put in positions of such?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Kz-_IaFyU&eurl=http://ace.mu.nu/

 

[dlamberth]

Im done with him telling me how I should define the NEW blah blah discussion of race in his terms.

Obama has never told you or anyone else how to define the discussion of race. Where do you come off with these things? This is just one of many examples I've read in this thread of how far you guys will stretch the truth to make a meager point that is not even true.

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