Nudism

[The Bellman]

There's a fairly extensive list of folk whose nakedness we are not to see, including among others anyone elses spouse. Like it or not, nakedness is attached to sex. Running around naked, African tribalisms and Pacific islander dream paradises notwithstanding, causes problems in that regard.

No, our society has attached nakedness to sex. That is the fault of our society, not nakedness. Many civilizations have survived quite nicely with nudity, partial or full, being common, and not automatically entailing sex.

Look around you. It's not as if Christian nations are the only ones with ideas about wearing clothes, or that taking them off has sexual connotations.

Umm...so what?

This is probably one of my less important issue types of threads. Honestly except for people with a fetish for exposing themselves, few people even want a world where everyone walks around in no clothes. I suppose it might tend to make people a little more health conscious in their diet and exercise.......

You might be surprised. There are a lot of naturist clubs the world over, with a lot of members. Basically, for me, it's a freedom issue. I think it is wrong to tell people they must do something unless not doing it would harm someone else.

 

[Miss Shelby]

Do you think public nudism is a sin?

I think it's illegal. If someone is walking down the street nude they can be arrested for indecent exposure.

Michelle

 

[Miss Shelby]

Did Jesus wear clothes? Did He ever go to a nudist colony where He could frolick around in the raw?

Michelle

 

[Archivist]

I think it's illegal. If someone is walking down the street nude they can be arrested for indecent exposure.

Michelle

Actually, that depends on where you hapen to be. Public nudity is not illegal everywhere.

The question is not "is it illegal," but rather "is it a sin." There is a big difference between the two.

 

[Miss Shelby]

The question is not "is it illegal," but rather "is it a sin." There is a big difference between the two.

Give me one example of something that is against the law that can't be seen inheretley sinful, please.

And remember that the Bible tells us to respect civil laws and those holding positions of authority therein.

Michelle

 

[Miss Shelby]

Actually, that depends on where you hapen to be. Public nudity is not illegal everywhere.

Perhaps for the sake of arguement, we could exclude remote tribes in Africa such as those one sees photographed in National Geographic?

Michelle

 

[Archivist]

Give me one example of something that is against the law that can't be seen inheretley sinful, please.

And remember that the Bible tells us to respect civil laws and those holding positions of authority therein.

Michelle

There are many things that the Bible considers to be sin that are not illegal. And I'm not sure that many Christians would say that parking for 2 hours 15 minutes in a 2 hour parking zone is "sinful." That's why I said that there is a difference between the two.

 

[Archivist]

Perhaps for the sake of arguement, we could exclude remote tribes in Africa such as those one sees photographed in National Geographic?

Michelle

Visit many of the public parks in Europe during the summer. You will see many naked people out enjoying the sun.

 

[Miss Shelby]

There are many things that the Bible considers to be sin that are not illegal.

That's not my point. I am saying what IS illegal and done anyway is sinful.

And I'm not sure that many Christians would say that parking for 2 hours 15 minutes in a 2 hour parking zone is "sinful." That's why I said that there is a difference between the two.

Technically that's cheating the system and stealing. That is sinful if done on on purpose and on a repeated basis.

I don't see a difference between the two because intentionally breaking the law is a sin.

Michelle

 

[Miss Shelby]

Visit many of the public parks in Europe during the summer. You will see many naked people out enjoying the sun.

MANY naked people out enjoying the sun? I know people from Europe. I have asked them about this and the general consensus that I have been given is that they leave their clothes on in public.

Michelle

 

[Archivist]

MANY naked people out enjoying the sun? I know people from Europe. I have asked them about this and the general consensus that I have been given is that they leave their clothes on in public.

Michelle

I visited France, Germany and Italy two years ago and I saw many naked people on the beaches and, in Germany, in the public parks sunning themselves.

Your original post was that it is illegal. I am simply pointing out that it is not always illegal--that you cannot make such blanket statement without qualifying them. Did you know, for example that either sex can go topless in the State of New York?

 

[Archivist]

That's not my point. I am saying what IS illegal and done anyway is sinful. Technically that's cheating the system and stealing. That is sinful if done on on purpose and on a repeated basis.

I don't see a difference between the two because intentionally breaking the law is a sin.

Michelle

So it was illegal for Rosa Parks to do what she did? The law said that the front of a bus was for whites only. It was certainly not sinful for her to break that law, nor is it ever sinful for anyone to break an unjust law. You can't make blanket statements like "what IS illegal and done anyway is sinful."

 

[Miss Shelby]

Comparing Rosa Parks and running around in the nude is a bit like comparing apples and oranges wouldn't you say?

Michelle

 

[Miss Shelby]

Did you know, for example that either sex can go topless in the State of New York?

No I didn't. But when was last time you saw a woman walking down fifth avenue or strolling through central park ( Manhattan ) wearing nothing on her upper torso?

Michelle

 

[Archivist]

No I didn't. But when was last time you saw a woman walking down fifth avenue or strolling through central park ( Manhattan ) wearing nothing on her upper torso?

Michelle

Actually I understand taht there were several of them protesting the GOP Convention just this week.

Again, my point is that you cannot make blanket statements like "it's always illegal" because it isn't.

 

[Archivist]

Comparing Rosa Parks and running around in the nude is a bit like comparing apples and oranges wouldn't you say?

Michelle

Your statement was that "what IS illegal and done anyway is sinful." I am simply pointing out tht what you said isn't always true. Again, don't make such blanket ststements.

 

[Shane Roach]

No, our society has attached nakedness to sex. That is the fault of our society, not nakedness. Many civilizations have survived quite nicely with nudity, partial or full, being common, and not automatically entailing sex.

No, our society is not at fault, and no, nudity and sex are connected by the simple fact that exposure of the genitals is required for sex to take place. "Many civilizations" is something of a loose term. Obviously, looking around, most don't.

There are a lot of wife swapping clubs all around the world too. I thought we were talking here about whether something was sinful or not.

 

[Miss Shelby]

Actually I understand taht there were several of them protesting the GOP Convention just this week.

Yeah...the naked truth about aids....I bet they really got their point across. Incidentally, that was a protest group. What does that have to do with the acceptance of nudity in public--(ie sitting in a public restaurant in the buff and ordering lunch)--, and my question in particular, Christians who condone such a practice?

Again, my point is that you cannot make blanket statements like "it's always illegal" because it isn't.

Okay FINE.

Now, please illustrate the comparision between Rosa Parks and how that is equal to allowing folks to run rampant in the nude?

BTW, I asked a question earlier. Did Jesus wear clothes?

Michelle

 

[Archivist]

Yeah...the naked truth about aids....I bet they really got their point across. Incidentally, that was a protest group. What does that have to do with the acceptance of nudity in public--(ie sitting in a public restaurant in the buff and ordering lunch)--, and my question in particular, Christians who condone such a practice?
Okay FINE.

Now, please illustrate the comparision between Rosa Parks and how that is equal to allowing folks to run rampant in the nude?

BTW, I asked a question earlier. Did Jesus wear clothes?

Michelle

Michelle,

I was simply trying to show that you cannot make blanket statements like saying that nudity is always illegal. As I have shown, it isn't. Instead of simply agreeing you started making statements like "what IS illegal and done anyway is sinful" in an effort to show that you initial statement was right. The problem is that you were wrong again because there have been and still are many unjust laws, and it is NEVER sinful to break an unjust law. I was in no way comparing Rosa Parks to going nude--the point was that, as I just said, it isn't sinful to braek an unjust law.

As to your question "Did Jesus wear clothes." At times he undoubtedly did. At other times he was most certainly naked. That's true for most of us today. There are times when we are wearing clothes and there are times when we are naked.

 

[Buzz Dixon]

Give me one example of something that is against the law that can't be seen inheretley sinful, please.

Hiding Jews in Nazi Germany.