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I've been led to believe being exposed to nudity can be harmful to children's development (and it has been confirmed that exposure to sex can), but have any studies been performed to show whether being constantly exposed to non-promiscuous nudity affects the development of children?
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There is actually a story about a new Christian Nudist Colony in Tampa.
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"The Bible very clearly states that when Adam and Eve were in right with God, they were naked," said David Blood, executive director of the project. "When people are in right with God, they do not have to fear nudity." The renovated park - to be called Natura - would feature an open church, a giant water park for the kids and classes in family building and strengthening marriage.
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"The Bible very clearly states that when Adam and Eve were in right with God, they were naked," said David Blood, executive director of the project. "When people are in right with God, they do not have to fear nudity." The renovated park - to be called Natura - would feature an open church, a giant water park for the kids and classes in family building and strengthening marriage.
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Nudity of what, and when? I do not believe that is a Sin for a mother to breast-feed her infant. Laws of man tend to support this. In New York, on a very hot day, men had taken off their t-shirts. A woman had removed her top for the same reason. She was arrested.
In court she had pleaded that the law was unconsitutional, because if men can lawfully disrobe above the torso, so too can women. The law was struck down. It is now legal for a woman to go topless in New York. In an other case, while a visitor to a museum, a woman had stopped to breast feed her infant. She was arrested because there is no eating or drinking permitted in the museum.
In court she had pleaded that the law was unconsitutional, because if men can lawfully disrobe above the torso, so too can women. The law was struck down. It is now legal for a woman to go topless in New York. In an other case, while a visitor to a museum, a woman had stopped to breast feed her infant. She was arrested because there is no eating or drinking permitted in the museum.
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The whole issue with nudity is a cultural thing. Take Japan, for instance. There whole families bathe together. And of course their are villages/tribes where nudity is common place. Then other places where if you show more than a finger tip it's considered immoral.
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A body is a body. We all have them..we all know what they basically look like. Clothing is simply used because of longstanding custom and tradition. I don't see how being in our bare form, which was given to us, would be considered "sinful"
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It'd be a lot helpful if you'd had a Bible next to you, than a goddess licking you in the ear...Myah said:
Romans 14:13-23
Since this is a Christian forum, and the topic is Christian, thus I'll be talking to you Christian, because Sin is defined to be "Rebellion to God" rather than being naughty in society.
That passage, teaches nothing on what you're explaining, it talks about conscience...
If you read the whole passage, you'll understand that it's all about people doubting things in life. Say in this case it's nudity...it's not really a sin.....
but if you read on it says;
You can work this our youself...ESV Romans 14:23 said:
Please make sure, that sin in Christianity, is not the same sin as you'd might expect from say, wicca or buddhism.....
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Isaiah 20:2-3--God directly commanded Isaiah to loose the sackcloth from his hips, and he went naked and barefoot for three years.
20:2 At the same time spake the LORD by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot.
20:3 And the LORD said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia.If someone interprets this as allegorical, I'd like to know why...
The prophet Micah may have done the same thingMicah 1:8 Therefore I will wail and howl, I will go stripped and naked: I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning as the owls.
Nudity in Ancient to Modern Cultures Many of us may be unaware that nudity is a normal condition that has prevailed throughout most of mankind's existence. Anything from complete nakedness to casual body covering was a lifestyle component from prehistoric times through the Greco-Roman civilizations and into part of the Middle Ages.
Even today, in various remote areas of the warmer climes, naked societies persist as primitive tribes whose members do not wear clothes. These societies point up, among other things, how drastically our attitudes toward nudity and social organization have changed throughout human history. Unfortunately, modern civilization's puritanical laws of decency have labeled unclothed tropical-zone cultures as offensive and inferior. Missionaries, settlers, and tradespeople have effectively forced compliance with western dress codes wherever primitive cultures are found. Due to such diligence, we are now able to travel worldwide to exotic islands, join African safaris, and explore South American jungles without having to confront the "embarrassment" of viewing tribal nakedness.
Inexcusably, as civilization encroaches upon many of these out-of-the-way places, the aboriginal cultures are often severely damaged or destroyed by the invading virus of a technologically superior society. Enticed by trinkets and modern conveniences, the native populations almost invariably succumb to the customs, clothing, diseases, and problems of our intrusive culture.
In 1988, the January 3rd issue of The Los Angeles Times reported that the Yanomamis of the remote northern Brazilian territory of Roraima, a primitive and naked tribe, are in danger of extinction because the government has discovered gold and diamonds on their land. The Yanomamis are the largest known tribe still isolated from the outside world: "Yanomamis hunt with poisoned arrows, and many use primitive tools. They shun clothes, decorate their bodies with fruit dye and flowers, and live under huge palm huts in communities of 50 people. The population of Roraima is about 100,000. Anthropologists, the Roman Catholic Church, and Indian-rights groups fear that forced acculturation by an onslaught of whites will further reduce the Yanomami population, largely through disease. Because of their isolation, the Indians have no immunity against common viruses and can easily die from flu or a cold."
The Tupari tribe of the Rio Branco, in the Amazon jungles of Brazil, furnish another example of nude living among aborigines. Tibor Sekelj, who lived with the Tupari for four months, wrote: "It is no wonder that the Tupari never created any kind of clothing, for the weather is always warm. Their natural nudity fits perfectly into the framework of their surroundings and, except for ceremony or decoration, they never think of covering themselves."
Men of the Tupari set off before sunup to hunt. Those men and boys remaining in the village work at preparing the ground for planting or collect firewood and building materials. Meanwhile, the women attend to the children, collect fruit, spin cotton, and weave hammocks. By three o'clock in the afternoon, their day's work over, men and women gather together, drink fermented chica, make bows, arrows, necklaces, and headdresses, and decorate their bodies. It is a life of unhurried simplicity.
How remarkable it is that such idyllic scenes of ancient and perhaps prehistoric times still co-exist with our modernized, stress-filled lifestyles and complex governmental structures.
The naked body is still considered unnatural. Nudity on American televtsion is rare. During the daytime hours, when children are watching, nudity isn't permissible. Children are protected from the "damaging" effects of viewing a natural, normal, and harmless human body, but body violence is condoned as entertainment for our children and ourselves. Such confused value systems help fill the psychiatric couch!
http://www.primitivism.com/nudity.htm
A brief quote
"Sexual modesty cannot then in any simple way
be identified with the use of clothing, nor shamelessness
with the absence of clothing and total or partial nakedness.
There are circumstances in which nakedness is not immodest...
Nakedness as such is not to be equated with physical
shamelessness. Immodesty is present only when nakedness
plays a negative role with regard to the value of the person...
The human body is not in itself shameful, nor for the same reasons
are sensual reactions, and human sensuality in general.
Shamelessness (just like shame and modesty) is a function
of the interior of a person."
Pope John Paul II (nee Karol Cardinal Wojtyla)
[in "Love & Responsibility," 1981]
20:2 At the same time spake the LORD by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot.
20:3 And the LORD said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia.If someone interprets this as allegorical, I'd like to know why...
The prophet Micah may have done the same thingMicah 1:8 Therefore I will wail and howl, I will go stripped and naked: I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning as the owls.
Nudity in Ancient to Modern Cultures Many of us may be unaware that nudity is a normal condition that has prevailed throughout most of mankind's existence. Anything from complete nakedness to casual body covering was a lifestyle component from prehistoric times through the Greco-Roman civilizations and into part of the Middle Ages.
Even today, in various remote areas of the warmer climes, naked societies persist as primitive tribes whose members do not wear clothes. These societies point up, among other things, how drastically our attitudes toward nudity and social organization have changed throughout human history. Unfortunately, modern civilization's puritanical laws of decency have labeled unclothed tropical-zone cultures as offensive and inferior. Missionaries, settlers, and tradespeople have effectively forced compliance with western dress codes wherever primitive cultures are found. Due to such diligence, we are now able to travel worldwide to exotic islands, join African safaris, and explore South American jungles without having to confront the "embarrassment" of viewing tribal nakedness.
Inexcusably, as civilization encroaches upon many of these out-of-the-way places, the aboriginal cultures are often severely damaged or destroyed by the invading virus of a technologically superior society. Enticed by trinkets and modern conveniences, the native populations almost invariably succumb to the customs, clothing, diseases, and problems of our intrusive culture.
In 1988, the January 3rd issue of The Los Angeles Times reported that the Yanomamis of the remote northern Brazilian territory of Roraima, a primitive and naked tribe, are in danger of extinction because the government has discovered gold and diamonds on their land. The Yanomamis are the largest known tribe still isolated from the outside world: "Yanomamis hunt with poisoned arrows, and many use primitive tools. They shun clothes, decorate their bodies with fruit dye and flowers, and live under huge palm huts in communities of 50 people. The population of Roraima is about 100,000. Anthropologists, the Roman Catholic Church, and Indian-rights groups fear that forced acculturation by an onslaught of whites will further reduce the Yanomami population, largely through disease. Because of their isolation, the Indians have no immunity against common viruses and can easily die from flu or a cold."
The Tupari tribe of the Rio Branco, in the Amazon jungles of Brazil, furnish another example of nude living among aborigines. Tibor Sekelj, who lived with the Tupari for four months, wrote: "It is no wonder that the Tupari never created any kind of clothing, for the weather is always warm. Their natural nudity fits perfectly into the framework of their surroundings and, except for ceremony or decoration, they never think of covering themselves."
Men of the Tupari set off before sunup to hunt. Those men and boys remaining in the village work at preparing the ground for planting or collect firewood and building materials. Meanwhile, the women attend to the children, collect fruit, spin cotton, and weave hammocks. By three o'clock in the afternoon, their day's work over, men and women gather together, drink fermented chica, make bows, arrows, necklaces, and headdresses, and decorate their bodies. It is a life of unhurried simplicity.
How remarkable it is that such idyllic scenes of ancient and perhaps prehistoric times still co-exist with our modernized, stress-filled lifestyles and complex governmental structures.
The naked body is still considered unnatural. Nudity on American televtsion is rare. During the daytime hours, when children are watching, nudity isn't permissible. Children are protected from the "damaging" effects of viewing a natural, normal, and harmless human body, but body violence is condoned as entertainment for our children and ourselves. Such confused value systems help fill the psychiatric couch!
http://www.primitivism.com/nudity.htm
A brief quote
"Sexual modesty cannot then in any simple way
be identified with the use of clothing, nor shamelessness
with the absence of clothing and total or partial nakedness.
There are circumstances in which nakedness is not immodest...
Nakedness as such is not to be equated with physical
shamelessness. Immodesty is present only when nakedness
plays a negative role with regard to the value of the person...
The human body is not in itself shameful, nor for the same reasons
are sensual reactions, and human sensuality in general.
Shamelessness (just like shame and modesty) is a function
of the interior of a person."
Pope John Paul II (nee Karol Cardinal Wojtyla)
[in "Love & Responsibility," 1981]
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cosmo: uhh...could you change your font? So tiny @_@ Not many people are going to read that because it's hard to read ^^;
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Uh..what's the point of this quote? I don't recall reading anything about goddesses or divine wet willies in this thread. 0.0Icystwolf said:
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Ahem...Icystwolf said:
It'd be a lot more helpful if you'd had the Goddess next to you, than a Bible Stuck in your ear...
Sounds silly doesn't it. Well..what you said was only mildly offensive, so I'll just let it be.
That would work if I believed in sin, which I don't.
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In your own home , with spouse , so-kay .....Philosopher Odds said:
around others not ( Leviticus 18 )
In the spin of exhibition / voyeurism ; public , private , precursor to
foreplay , sex , etc. apart from spouse , as in internet porn , exhibitionism , voyeurism , as in nudist camps , sun bathing , etc. where the nakedness
( culture dependant -- some cultures think bare ankles , some bare arms and legs --- as when David danced before the ark of the covenant ; some without outer garment - cloak , coat , veil ; some as perceived by most " in birth day suit "..
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I'm not saying it is, only that I have been led to believe that it is. Seeing acts of sex or participating in them at a young age can be damaging to a child's development however. Simple nudity however, I doubt would have any effect.
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Paul Okami carefully researched the issue of adult nudity and children in an article published in the Journal of Sex Research, titled Childhood Exposure to Parental Nudity, Parent-Child Co-Sleeping, and "Primal Scenes": A Review of Clinical Opinion and Empirical Evidence. This article involved a massive literature search, in an effort to sort out fact from fiction. He showed that any connection between nudity (or the other items in the article's title) and harm to children is highly culturally dependent. He also noted that, on a statistically significant basis, the groups in which child sexual abuse is most prevalent are religious conservatives and the lower socio-economic stratum. Children in the former group are at elevated risk because of the religious doctrine factor. Children in the latter group are at elevated risk because of the loose culture and lifestyle that sometimes is found among lower class whites.
http://www.sexscience.org/publications/index.php
http://www.sexscience.org/publications/index.php
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Talk about logic... The Bible doesn't speak so we have to "Read" the Bible... oh, but I forgot, I'm talking to a wicca...do you have a spell that would make the Bible read itself aloud?Myah said:
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If you don't believe in sin, then don't talk about sin... if you don't believe in sin, then you wouldn't be giving some opinion...why give an opinion if you don't believe in it?
If you think Nudism isn't wrong, just say Nudism isn't in my opinion harmful or wrong...
Don't comment on whether you think it's a sin or not, if you don't believe in it....
Or you still don't see it?
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