Nudism

[Miss Shelby]

And Miss Shelby- I am not saying the catholic church says public nudity is ok or not. I just found that particular quote interesting in what its saying about nudity. Please don't put words into my mouth.

I did not say that you made a statement about Catholic teaching. What I said was the Pope would not say something that would directly contradict it. Given the context of the quote you provided, it would seem that he did just that. Do you see my meaning?

That's why I would like to see your source, if it isn't too much trouble.

Thanks,

Michelle

 

[Shane Roach]

p.s. I sympathize with you greatly over the difference between the other threads and this one. I really, really hope not to make you feel so put off. It's just the way I feel and believe, and as you said, no law says you have to agree.

 

[Miss Shelby]

Like I said, if you find public nudity to be wrong- don't do it. That doesn't mean that others wont arrive at a different conclusion. And it doesn't make your conclusion right and theirs wrong, just as theirs isn't right and yours wrong.

If it ever came to pass that public nudity was socially acceptable, I would have to see it, right? Therefore it affects me. Therefore it isn't a 'live and let live' resolution.

Michelle

 

[Shane Roach]

I must comment on this. The poster who referred to Big Toe's position as "sloppy" was Shane Roach. He (Shane Roach) has repeatedly opposed my viewpoint in this thread, so I'm as prone as anyone to see flaws and faults in his posts. However, in calling Big Toe's position "sloppy", I don't feel that he was attacking Big Toe ...

Support from the most unexpected of fronts.

What I usually mean by "sloppy" is that the logic is not well constructed. If you could see the post made about marriage that ... er. Ech 20 what is his NAME??? Anyhow, he made a post about marriage that frankly blew my socks off, and then by comparison, he quoted in the post on this thread about Isaiah prophesying nude, so I looked up the verse and there right in it it says that nudity is shamefull, so... That's where that came from.

Perhaps I need a new word besides sloppy, or to be more specific... Anyhow. Sorry sorry sorry.

 

[Miss Shelby]

I wonder if that quote by the Pope was in reference to nude art. Such as Michaelangelo's 'David'---If so then I wholeheartedly agree, there is nothing shameful about nudity in art when it is not meant for sexual arousal. I think that's different that the 'live public nudity' angle, though.

Michelle

 

[Shane Roach]

I wonder if that quote by the Pope was in reference to nude art. Such as Michaelangelo's 'David'---If so then I wholeheartedly agree, there is nothing shameful about nudity in art when it is not meant for sexual arousal. I think that's different that the 'live public nudity' angle, though.

Michelle

Well, I might even debate that, but me and poor John Ashcroft are probably the only two twentieth century men that would....

Remember when he was so bothered by the nude statues he had them draped? Poor guy... Man after my own heart though. He really believes what he believes, you know?

Hrm. Well, now I have really set myself up to be labelled conservative. I guess fundamentally I question what it was about that nudity in classic art that really adds anything to the intended story, with perhaps the exception of scenes like the Garden of Eden when it has contextual significance? Well rendered clothing, and the interplay between flesh and well rendered clothing, is all very interesting as well, and there are many works of art that have that which I find every bit as effective as nudes without the distraction of wondering, "gee, why is this pretty young man/woman naked?"

 

[Miss Shelby]

Remember when he was so bothered by the nude statues he had them draped? Poor guy... Man after my own heart though. He really believes what he believes, you know?

Yes, I do remember that. He took ALOT of flack over it, IIRC.

Michelle

 

[BigToe]

Miss Shelby- no, you wouldn't have to see it, thats why there are nudist resorts where people are able to live this way and not bother those who are not comfortable with it. They are respectful in that regard- they understand what they believe isn't what everyone else believes and aren't trying to impose their beliefs on others. So its no worry.

 

[Miss Shelby]

Miss Shelby- no, you wouldn't have to see it, thats why there are nudist resorts where people are able to live this way and not bother those who are not comfortable with it. They are respectful in that regard- they understand what they believe isn't what everyone else believes and aren't trying to impose their beliefs on others. So its no worry.

Fair enough then this would not equate to public nudity. I imagine these resorts are privately owned and operated? The OP said something about 'walking down the street nude..I think, maybe I am not remebering it accurately.

EDITED to add:: no, it just says public nudism.

Well, interesting discussion in any event. Take care all.

Michelle

 

[The Bellman]

Miss Shelby- no, you wouldn't have to see it, thats why there are nudist resorts where people are able to live this way and not bother those who are not comfortable with it. They are respectful in that regard- they understand what they believe isn't what everyone else believes and aren't trying to impose their beliefs on others. So its no worry.

I don't see how me (for example) going nude in public is "imposing my beliefs on others". I'm not telling anyone else THEY have to go nude.

 

[Risen Tree]

I don't see how me (for example) going nude in public is "imposing my beliefs on others". I'm not telling anyone else THEY have to go nude.

Of course not. Nudists try to avoid forcing nudism on others, believing that people should not do it until they are ready for it. And as your pointed out, the mere state of being nude around someone is not forcing nudity on that person.

 

[The Bellman]

Of course not. Nudists try to avoid forcing nudism on others, believing that people should not do it until they are ready for it. And as your pointed out, the mere state of being nude around someone is not forcing nudity on that person.

So - again - what is wrong with me being nude in public?

 

[Risen Tree]

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[The Bellman]

Why, nothing. People are not going to be scarred for life just because they look at the human body.

I am pleased that you feel this way. Others involved in this thread, I fear, will not. So, to them - what is wrong with my going nude in public?

 

[BigToe]

Some people have conservative standards on the whole nudity issue. Some can't control responses- be it lust, giggling like a school girl (not that you'd be something to giggle about, but you know what i mean), making snide comments on another's body, lacking confidence in their own body.... to where it would make them uncomfortable. It isn't something "wrong" with them, its simply their personal taste.

 

[The Bellman]

Some people have conservative standards on the whole nudity issue. Some can't control responses- be it lust, giggling like a school girl (not that you'd be something to giggle about, but you know what i mean), making snide comments on another's body, lacking confidence in their own body.... to where it would make them uncomfortable. It isn't something "wrong" with them, its simply their personal taste.

Whether it's something "wrong" with them or not, it's THEIR problem, not mine, just as if someone was (hypothetically) offended by African-Americans, we'd say that that was THEIR problem, not the African-Americans'. We wouldn't think of telling those African-Americans they couldn't walk down the street lest someone got offended by seeing them; why do we tell people they can't walk down the street naked?

 

[Buzz Dixon]

We need to define "public" methinks.

Being nude at a resort that specifically caters to naturists is one thing.

Being nude in an environment where most people would be more comfortable if everyone was clothed (say a shopping center) is another.

Such as private property that is easily visible from public propperty, etc.

 

[The Bellman]

We need to define "public" methinks.

Being nude at a resort that specifically caters to naturists is one thing.

Being nude in an environment where most people would be more comfortable if everyone was clothed (say a shopping center) is another.

Such as private property that is easily visible from public propperty, etc.

Why is being nude in an environment where most people would be more comfortable if everyone was clothed another thing? Why should I not be allowed to be naked in such an environment?

 

[BigToe]

Well for starters.... there are laws against "indecent exposure" in public that prevents your average nudist from walking the streets. However, here in Austin it is legal for a woman to go topless as long as she doesn't cause a distraction. The local 'swimming hole' Barton Springs has topless days as well, and the bathrooms are open air and people sun bathe nude all the time. I guess the laws and regulations are what is stopping you from doing so now.

 

[The Bellman]

Well for starters.... there are laws against "indecent exposure" in public that prevents your average nudist from walking the streets. However, here in Austin it is legal for a woman to go topless as long as she doesn't cause a distraction. The local 'swimming hole' Barton Springs has topless days as well, and the bathrooms are open air and people sun bathe nude all the time. I guess the laws and regulations are what is stopping you from doing so now.

I'm not talking about the law. We all know public nudity is against the law. I'm asking what rational or moral reason there is.