The House of Israel remains in exile now.
It was the House of Judah, who were taken to Babylon and who are now, mostly symbolically, the peoples in a small part of the holy Land.
It is we Christians who represent the whole House of Israel today.
I would say that about 95% of the prophecies the prophets wrote about were about the LAST DAYS of the flesh descendants of Israel being in charge of the kingdom of heaven and yet futurist IGNORE this and twist "THESE Last days" into a 2000 year period that are the last days of..... well I don't know what y'all think it's the last days of. Maybe y'all think its the last days of the earth that the bible says ABIDETH FOREVER.One thing we know is that it involves the latter days. Pretty much everyone agrees with the NT when it indicates the latter days began with the first coming of Christ. The text indicates that He pours His Spirit out on the house of Israel meant, after His judgment involving Gog and his multitude. What during the past 2000 years could possibly explain His judgment involving Gog and his multitude?
Please don't tell me something silly, such as 70 AD explains it. As if the Romans consisted of a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
Keep in mind, this involves the latter days and that we have been in the latter days since the first century and are still in the latter days yet today.
Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
Gog and Magog happened well before 70 AD because we are told in Eze 39:29 that Gog and Magog happened BEFORE God poured out his spirit on the house of Israel at Pentecost.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
Maybe Gog and Magog happened during the "400 silent years", I don't know when it happened but I know it happened well before 70 AD.
We were. Is there any reason to think that verse does not involve the latter days?
No, it is in the near future to us of when the Jews will finally know that Jesus is the Lord their God in verse 22.Now began when Ezekiel was writing.
You should stop laughing, because throughout the entirety of Holy-Spirit-inspired-Scripture, God is referred to as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
The Holy Spirit, and the Christians who believe Him, have the last laugh.
"Throughout Scripture, "Jacob" is a representation of the faithful obedient remnant within the unfaithful disobedient nation of Israel."
Gog/Magog has not happened yet, proved so by no large mass grave site in Israel of Gog's army.Gog and Magog happened well before 70 AD because we are told in Eze 39:29 that Gog and Magog happened BEFORE God poured out his spirit on the house of Israel at Pentecost.
No, it is in the near future to us of when the Jews will finally know that Jesus is the Lord their God in verse 22.
22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
In 1948 the Jews re-established Israel as their homeland, to escape the persecution in the nations. Most notably by Hitler and the nazi's in WWII. They still don't believe in Jesus, but that will take place in the middle part of the 7 years following the destruction of Gog's army in the near to us future.
In Ezekiel 39,verse 28, Jesus at His Return in Matthew 24, will bring all of the Jews back to the land of Israel, corresponding to Matthew 24:31.
What are the bible verses that speak about a "fake Israel", of Jews returning to the land to Israel in the latter days, latter years?Your 1948 is a fantasy, fallacy and fraud, for it violates the most elemental principle of repatriation, which was spiritual repentance and rehabilitation before any return.
What are the bible verses that speak about a "fake Israel", of Jews returning to the land to Israel in the latter days, latter years?
The name is Jacob is of course fine, it shows that God extends grace to everyone, even those who deceive.
But to form a strange doctrine that
is laughable.
The name is Jacob is of course fine, it shows that God extends grace to everyone, even those who deceive.
But to form a strange doctrine that
is laughable.
Ezekiel 38 and Ezekiel 39 are referring to the descendants of Jacob, which went into exile.Not one in the NT, because all of the OT promises are fulfilled in Christ. (2 Corinthians 1:20)
Describe how all of humanity will return to Israel.
You would think the sun being darkened all over the world from noon to three would be recorded in history. You would also think dead people coming out of the grave and walking amongst the living would be recorded in history. You would think the unbelieving Jews would've written about this or at least passed it down orally from generation to generation. You would think Josephus would've written about this too, which proves Josephus was a fraud if such a person even existed.If a major event like this already occured, history would have recorded it at least. I have discussed these 2 chapters with unbelieving Jews in the past. None of them thought this was a battle that had already been fulfilled. You would think if anyone should know, it would be them that would. They reason it to be involving a battle that is yet to take place.
Shouldn't the words of the bible be sufficient proof?Your interpretation only makes sense if the judgment involving Gog and multitude preceded the day of Pentecost. I would be more inclined to agree with your interpretation if it can be undeniably proved that the judgment involving Gog and multitude preceded the day of Pentecost. How does one propose to prove something that can't be proved to begin with?
I don't know of anything in Ezekiel 38 and 39 that couldn't have already happened.Some of the same things, such as when the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven, the similar also happens to Gog and his multitude. We saw the fulfillment of the former in the Scriptures themselves in Genesis 19. In Ezekiel 38-39 some of these events recorded are prophecies, not events where we see their fulfillment in the Scriptures themselves, such as we do in Genesis 19. And since Scripture doesn't record it's fulfillment the way Genesis 19 did in regards to Sodom and Gomorrah, and that history doesn't either, how could it possibly be unreasonable to assume that the reason why is, because these events are yet to be fulfilled?
And you base this "no large mass grave site" on what? Why do futurist latch on to the most obscure NON-PROVABLE part of prophecy and totally IGNORE the most relevant PROVABLE part of prophecy?Gog/Magog has not happened yet, proved so by no large mass grave site in Israel of Gog's army.
Ezekiel 38 and Ezekiel 39 are referring to the descendants of Jacob, which went into exile.
Luke 21:24 distinguishes between them who went into exile, lead captives into the nations - and the gentiles.
Who is back there in Jerusalem right now, with Jerusalem being the capital of their nation of Israel ?
The Israelis of Satan.Who is back there in Jerusalem right now, with Jerusalem being the capital of their nation of Israel ?
It was.You would think the sun being darkened all over the world from noon to three would be recorded in history
That is a point, but remember that most of the Jews were killed and everything destroyed by 135 AD. Hadrian had Jerusalem plowed over.You would also think dead people coming out of the grave and walking amongst the living would be recorded in history. You would think the unbelieving Jews would've written about this or at least passed it down orally from generation to generation
None of Ezekiel 38 and 39 has been fulfilled yet.How do you handle Eze 39:29? It says specifically that Ezekiel 38 and 39 happened BEFORE God poured out his spirit on the house of Israel. How can you place that at any other time than Pentecost or the resurrection of Christ?
Ezekiel 39:11 specifies that Gog and his horde will be buried in the valley of Abarim. Called today; the Wadi Mujib.And you base this "no large mass grave site" on what?
Ok so there’s no national monument marking the graves so that means it didn’t happen. Again let’s go with the most obscure non-provable evidence and COMPLETELY IGNORE the provable hard core evidence that Gog and Magog happened before God poured out his spirit on the house of Israel.The Israelis of Satan.
As seen from their fruit; the lack thereof.
It was.
There is an extant dispatch from one of the Roman Governors North of Israel, who mentions that unusual occurrence.
That is a point, but remember that most of the Jews were killed and everything destroyed by 135 AD. Hadrian had Jerusalem plowed over.
Josephus was a real person. You display a careless lack of historical study to say otherwise.
None of Ezekiel 38 and 39 has been fulfilled yet.
Proper and careful reading of those prophesies proves it.
Ezekiel 39:11 specifies that Gog and his horde will be buried in the valley of Abarim. Called today; the Wadi Mujib.
I have been there. There is no sign or historical indication of any burials in that large deep valley.
Less opinion and more actual facts would make for better discussion, Bob.
Ok so there’s no national monument marking the graves so that means it didn’t happen. Again let’s go with the most obscure non-provable evidence and COMPLETELY IGNORE the provable hard core evidence that Gog and Magog happened before God poured out his spirit on the house of Israel.
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