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bhsmte said:

Some folks, will choose conspiracy over reality every single time.

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Yes they'll choose the official conspiracy theory over reality even when one of the perps slips up and admits on nationwide television that at least one of the buildings was wired for demolition, but of course if one was wired, they all were.

Heading you off before you go saying "He meant pull out the firefighters." The firefighters were pulled out by 11:30am, the building went down at 5:20pm.

Is Silverstein the Key to Breaking 9/11 Wide Open? | Peace . Gold . LOVE

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ManFromUncle said:

Yes they'll choose the official conspiracy theory over reality even when one of the perps slips up and admits on nationwide television that at least one of the buildings was wired for demolition, but of course if one was wired, they all were.

Heading you off before you go saying "He meant pull out the firefighters." The firefighters were pulled out by 11:30am, the building went down at 5:20pm.

Is Silverstein the Key to Breaking 9/11 Wide Open? | Peace . Gold . LOVE

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The fire fighters knew it was going to collapse well before it did due to gearing creaking noises coming from the building. Are they in on this conspiracy too?

Also, it's amusing that you think they would go through all this secrecy only to be unraveled by one of the conspiracies big players slipping up and mentioning that the building was wired for demolition.

TheQuietRiot said:

The fire fighters knew it was going to collapse well before it did due to gearing creaking noises coming from the building. Are they in on this conspiracy too?

Also, it's amusing that you think they would go through all this secrecy only to be unraveled by one of the conspiracies big players slipping up and mentioning that the building was wired for demolition.

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And it's amusing that you will never believe what is right before your eyes. Yes it's puzzling why Silverstein slipped, but slip he did. The fact that it is puzzling does not mean it didn't happen, which seems to be your logic. Silverstein did not just "know" it was going to collapse, he said they made a decision to "pull" the building, a demolition term, meaning the building was wired for demolition.

Keep flailing away. There are none so blind as those who will not see. And based on this event we invaded 2 countries and slaughtered millions of Muslims. The Lord's vengeance on this willfully blind, ignorant country will not be pretty.

"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just" - Thomas Jefferson

ManFromUncle said:

And it's amusing that you will never believe what is right before your eyes. Yes it's puzzling why Silverstein slipped, but slip he did. The fact that it is puzzling does not mean it didn't happen, which seems to be your logic. Silverstein did not just "know" it was going to collapse, he said they made a decision to "pull" the building, a demolition term, meaning the building was wired for demolition.

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So were the fire-fighters in on the conspiracy as well?

They were well aware that the building was most likely going to collapse well before it did.

TheQuietRiot said:

So were the fire-fighters in on the conspiracy as well?

They were well aware that the building was most likely going to collapse well before it did.

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Why would that mean "they were in on it?" How do you jump to that absurd conclusion? If Silverstein knew the building was wired and that it was going to be demolished, obviously someone thought enough, this time, to tip off the firefighters who had already seen 2 unprecedented "building failures" that day. It's too bad Rudy Giuliani didn't extend the same courtesy when he was tipped off that the South Tower was going to explode, and ran away instead of sharing what he knew and saving hundreds of lives.

Now why don't you ask me if Rudy was in on it. The answer is yes. Remember he was responsible for destroying the evidence. Are you starting to get the big picture here?

Rudy admitting he was warned
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Firefighters say Rudy "ran like a coward"
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ManFromUncle said:

Why would that mean "they were in on it?" How do you jump to that absurd conclusion? If Silverstein knew the building was wired and that it was going to be demolished, obviously someone thought enough, this time, to tip off the firefighters who had already seen 2 unprecedented "building failures" that day.

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So the conspirators, lots of them apparently, were happy to see the firefighters (not to mention everyone else) die in the controlled demolitions of the main WTC towers, but then suddenly had a change of heart and decided to get everyone out of the other building before it was blown up?

Oh the twists and turns of logic needed for the conspiracy....

I didn't even read this thread because ever since 9/11 there have been hundreds of "experts" that make various claims about it being fake. Fact is even if I were to believe it was fake, what difference does that make now? Can't change the past, can't even really change the present.

CounselorForChrist said:

I didn't even read this thread because ever since 9/11 there have been hundreds of "experts" that make various claims about it being fake. Fact is even if I were to believe it was fake, what difference does that make now? Can't change the past, can't even really change the present.

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Not true. Every trillion dollar war we are in now and every right and freedom we have lost is based on 9/11. TSA groping, NSA, NDAA military detention of Americans, Afghanistan, Iraq, all based on 9/11. Children are being killed in drone-attacks n Pakistan and Afghanistan this minute in the "war on terror." 9/11 is relevant every minute of every day, because that event gave justification to everything they are doing today.

And it wasn't the only false flag attack. Flight 253 passenger Kurt Haskell said in his victim impact statement in court, at the trial of the Underwear Bomber, that security agents helped Umar bypass security and get on the plane without a passport. Did this make the news? No. And the Underwear Bomber is what led directly to TSA groping and invasive searches. Everything since 9/11 had been a drive to make you submissive and unquestioning, "for your safety." Fortunately more and more people are waking up.

Only when the truth of 9/11 is revealed will any of this change. Notice how they even started a campaign to make the whole idea of truth a dirty word, using "truther" and "troofer" as if truth is a bad thing. This is a deliberate psychological ploy.

Meanwhile fortunes are being made for munitions makers in the trillion dollar wars that are coming straight out of your pocket and your children's futures, and the laws being passed make you easier to control.

From FLT 253 Kurt Haskell Victim Impact Statement:
Victim Impact Statement by Kurt Haskell

I wish to thank the Court for allowing me these 5 minutes to make my statement. My references to the government in this statement refer to the Federal Government excluding this Court and the prosecution. On Christmas Day 2009, my wife and I were returning from an African safari and had a connecting flight through Amsterdam. As we waited for our flight, we sat on the floor next to the boarding gate. What I witnessed while sitting there and subsequent events have changed my life forever. While I sat there, I witnessed Umar dressed in jeans and a white t-shirt, being escorted around security by a man in a tan suit who spoke perfect American English and who aided Umar in boarding without a passport. The airline gate worker initially refused Umar boarding until the man in the tan suit intervened. The event meant nothing to me at the time. Little did I know that Umar would try to kill me a few hours later as our flight approached Detroit. The final 10 minutes of our flight after the attack were the worst minutes of my life. During those 10 minutes I sat paralyzed in fear. Unfortunately, what happened next has had an even greater impact on my life and has saddened me further.

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Bjornke said:

Wow. Speechless. Some scientist you are. One scientist vs thousands that confirmed the NIST reports. Very impressive.

Remind me to never take your calculations seriously.

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The majority of scientists are BOUGHT. We have discussed this.

And, scientists are people too, they can lie - and most do it well. It seems harder to believe a structure can collapse into dust at the speed of gravity because low-temperature jet fuel, humans, paper and other flammables built enough thermal modes to actually weaken the steel-reinforcements. Then, couple BBC reporting that Tower 7 fell 30 minutes before it fell also makes it hard to believe the official story. The fact that Larry Silverstein took out and insurance policy on the WTC that gained him a profit before the collapse reeks to me. Larry Himself gave the order to "pull it," and you can clearly see the squibs of demolition as the tower falls. Nevermind a steel-reinforced concrete structure 110 stories high fell into its own footprint, and dissolved.

I wilm gladly be crazy this generation because I dont want my grandkids shaming me for something that in the future becomes a commonplace, watercooler truth.

Lollerskates said:

The majority of scientists are BOUGHT. We have discussed this.

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So scientists can be bought, but the guy who set up a major 9/11 truther group, then fought through the courts to have it declared a charity so it could be run tax-free - can't?

So, scientists can be bought when they speak out against ridiculous 9/11 conspiracy theories, but architects and engineers can't be bought when they sign up on AE9/11 to support truther theories?

How about when AE911 Truth teams up with the Nation of Islam organisation to flog truther DVDs for $30 bucks a pop at a conference - does that count as being bought out too?

Lollerskates said:

The majority of scientists are BOUGHT. We have discussed this.

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Bought by what or whom for what reason? The majority of scientists aren't exactly raking in the cash and making it rain. It would be far more lucrative to join Ken Ham or AiG and put in minimal effort to write nonsense to support them than it is to actually do real scientific work worthy of being published in scientific journals.

Skaloop said:

Bought by what or whom for what reason? The majority of scientists aren't exactly raking in the cash and making it rain. It would be far more lucrative to join Ken Ham or AiG and put in minimal effort to write nonsense to support them than it is to actually do real scientific work worthy of being published in scientific journals.

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Step 1. Collude to give false scientific validity to untrue concepts like 9/11, evolution, climate change.

Step 2.

Step 3. Profit!

Armoured said:

Step 1. Collude to give false scientific validity to untrue concepts like 9/11, evolution, climate change.

Step 2.

Step 3. Profit!

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South Park reference?

PsychoSarah said:

South Park reference?

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Yes.

Armoured said:

Yes.

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I love that episode.

Trogdor the Burninator said:

So scientists can be bought, but the guy who set up a major 9/11 truther group, then fought through the courts to have it declared a charity so it could be run tax-free - can't?

So, scientists can be bought when they speak out against ridiculous 9/11 conspiracy theories, but architects and engineers can't be bought when they sign up on AE9/11 to support truther theories?

How about when AE911 Truth teams up with the Nation of Islam organisation to flog truther DVDs for $30 bucks a pop at a conference - does that count as being bought out too?

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CORECTION: Anyone can be bought. Some people are bought for money, some people execute fraud to "buy in," some people are bought with other types of flatteries, other people are just bought for free.

I speak for myself; I am not spearheading or championing any group or organization. If people are misleading others through organizations, magazines, publications, etc., then that is the responsibility of the person to discern that. If I see bovine excrement, I won't shut up about it, and you can't pay me to tell someone something else.

If you choose to believe that two 110 story steel-reinforced concrete skyscrapers fell into their own footprint, and turned into dust because an aluminum tube carrying low-temperature combustible jet fuel filled with air, humans and luggage hit it, then that is your prerogative. But, why didn't the JTL tower in Dubai not fall into its own footprint from fire damage weakening the building. We know "from physics" that a building that is burning for two hours should pancake upon itself, since fire weakens even steel-reinforced concrete. So, what gives?

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/18/250231.html

That 34-story building burned for five hours, much longer than the 110 story buildings in question. And, almost the entire building was in flames.

Fire in JLT Dubai Tamweel tower - YouTube

Did it not collapse because the aluminum tube filled with air and people didn't hit it? Is that your answer to why it doesn't obey the physics of 9/11?

Or, what about this building?

Hundreds flee fire in 76-storey Dubai Marina tower | The National


Scoff all you want; as I said, my grandkids aren't embarrassing me when they come from US history and they discuss the false flag and/or lie about 9/11 like it is commonplace. I have seen the egg on my grandparents faces for "believing the [at that time] 'official' story of [insert incident here]," only to learn it was a lie.


You might want to lay off of the concussive blows to your frontal lobe doh. That is, after all, the lobe responsible for motor function, problem solving, memory, judgement, impulse control, and social behavior. We wouldn't want you to lose control of your scoffing, "quick wit," or ability to remember you are wrong 20 years from now, now would we?

PsychoSarah said:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I love that episode.

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It's even more fun if you think of the various different scientific denialists (climate change deniers, anti-vaxers, et al) as Underpants Gnomes. Extra bonus fun imagining Cartman clubbing them with a stick.

Armoured said:

It's even more fun if you think of the various different scientific denialists (climate change deniers, anti-vaxers, et al) as Underpants Gnomes. Extra bonus fun imagining Cartman clubbing them with a stick.

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"But we just killed your theory"! (Underpants gnomes/opposing debate)

Yeah yeah, we know, you [censored] (kids/me, not caring because they didn't really put the theory down).

Skaloop said:

Bought by what or whom for what reason? The majority of scientists aren't exactly raking in the cash and making it rain. It would be far more lucrative to join Ken Ham or AiG and put in minimal effort to write nonsense to support them than it is to actually do real scientific work worthy of being published in scientific journals.

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Scientists don't rake in the cash, but they have to make cash. That comes from grant money. Around 80% comes from private funds, meaning the layperson will never see the research unless the private company funding the research allows it. About 15% comes from government, but most often that is grant money given by the government to fund research for private companies. Only about 5%-10% of grant money scientists receive is public funds. You have to qualify for grant money, and you have to show your educational and academic worth in order to get grant money. For many non-teaching scientists, research grants is how they receive most of their income (besides public speaking, conferences, books, etc.)

So, the institution of science does what the money tell them to do. Why do you think there is no groundbreaking research for things that plague us (world hunger, cancer cures, AIDS cures, terra-reformation, water desalination on a large scale, etc.)? There is no interest. Instead, public money is being used so that researchers can tell you that playing in traffic could be dangerous. So, if they want to be part of the publications, and the magazines, TV shows, speaking tours, etc., they need to be in line with whomever is paying them (this isn't a novelty; try doing something other than what your boss wants you to do and see how long your "funding" lasts.)

Climate change expert's fraud was 'crime of massive proportion,' say feds - NBC News

Scientists are people too, and they can lie. They do lie. If this Climate Change "expert" committed fraud, what other kinds of fraud has he committed that the public doesn't know about? He is the EPA's highest paid employee, and the EPA is a government agency. Get it?

Global Warming Alarmists Caught Doctoring '97-Percent Consensus' Claims - Forbes

Scientific misconduct - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some scientists do actually try to tell the truth no matter what, and if they conflict with mainstream/the institution of science, they could be blacklisted, have scholarly articles pulled, or worse.

Scientists With Controversial Views Speak of Blacklisting: How Free Is Science? » The Epoch Times

Blacklisting Among Scientists

This isn't just "conspiracy talk;" it is egregious to be so dismissive without having at least an open mind, and an open webpage to GOOGLE everything someone says.

Lollerskates said:

So, the institution of science does what the money tell them to do. Why do you think there is no groundbreaking research for things that plague us (world hunger,cancer cures, AIDS cures, terra-reformation, water desalination on a large scale, etc.)? There is no interest. .

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Ummm - two minutes googling found plenty of articles about research into all these areas. Even a really cool one that desalinates water and generates hydrogen for energy at the same time

So, you were saying....