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fatpie42 said:1. If the keyboard in front of me is real, then 'something' exists. That would mean something must exist. It isn't possible for something to be nothing at the same time so not everything can be nothingness.
2. If the keyboard in front of me is not real then I have a false belief about a keyboard. (If the belief in a keyboard is not false see point (1)
3. It might be argued that the belief about the keyboard cannot be false because it would have to be false ABOUT something and, since there is only nothing, there is nothing to be false about. Nevertheless it still remains that I am having an appearance of a keyboard and an appearance is surely something. If appearances do not count as something then we seem to have stumbled on a kind of Idealism (the epistemological kind - google 'George Berkeley') - so what?
This whole idea seems either nonsensical or trivial to me.
Is that better?
Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win said:'Your first point arrives at 'Not everything can be nothingness' if the keyboard is real.
Nothingness is absolute non-existence.
Nothingness is not an object like an apple.
"There is at least one orange in my basket, so not everything can be apples'.
How can such a statement be made about nothingness?
fatpie42 said:Yes, but a keyboard IS an object. If there is a keyboard, there is at least one object and therefore there is 'something'. In order for there to be nothingness surely there cannot be something?
If nothingness is an absolute reality, there cannot even be this false appearance of a computer, keyboard etc..
fatpie42 said:Ah, I think the problem here was the IF. Were you saying that nothingness is NOT an absolute reality?
It all makes more sense now. Sorry, I took your posts as a continuation of the same theme as the OP rather than as a rejection of it.
fatpie42 said:Yes, but a keyboard IS an object. If there is a keyboard, there is at least one object and therefore there is 'something'. In order for there to be nothingness surely there cannot be something?
Lignoba said:Prove to me taht the keyboard is real? Is it not possible that it is not really there? Anything is possible.
Lignoba said:Prove to me taht the keyboard is real? Is it not possible that it is not really there? Anything is possible.
Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win said:Such a situation, i.e., to prove something is real or unreal, would not have arised if nothingness is the only reality.
fatpie42 said:Well that's not fair. If it were possible that we could have all things hidden from us (sensory deprivation) and yet still believe that we are surrounded by objects, then surely it could equally be possible that there is nothing around us and we only believe there are things there.
Lignoba said:So I have come to the conclusion that anything is possible, and I have had a vision oh a person talking to me, proclaiming to me that nothing is real. Not the universe, not the earth, even mankind. I really am starting to believe it. I am on a real high right now from it, and I feel next to weightlessness. Even as I type, I know that this keyboard does not exist, nor does this computer, my hands, myself. The only thing that is real it seems, is nothingness in itself.
variant said:I think the question here is why you are telling us this if you don't believe we are real....
Lignoba said:The reality is, I dont believe any of that. I just wanted to show everyone how non-christians view Christianity; in very much the same way you viewed me in my post.
Lignoba said:The reality is, I dont believe any of that. I just wanted to show everyone how non-christians view Christianity; in very much the same way you viewed me in my post.
Lignoba said:I am on a real high
Lignoba said:The reality is, I dont believe any of that. I just wanted to show everyone how non-christians view Christianity; in very much the same way you viewed me in my post.
Ya, and maybe the Matrix was not a fictional story. Is that you Neo?Lignoba said:So I have come to the conclusion that anything is possible, and I have had a vision oh a person talking to me, proclaiming to me that nothing is real. Not the universe, not the earth, even mankind. I really am starting to believe it. I am on a real high right now from it, and I feel next to weightlessness. Even as I type, I know that this keyboard does not exist, nor does this computer, my hands, myself. The only thing that is real it seems, is nothingness in itself.
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