Nothing changes in this forum.

[Speedwell]

Sure it can. Science does it all the time. If a thing has function and purpose it is designed.

No doubt. But"function"and "purpose"have distinct meanings. The presence of one does not guarantee the presence of the other. Function can sometimes be observed, but purpose does not inhere in the object itself and must be inferred. Your point, apparently, is that purpose can be inferred from function, but this not something that "science does all the time." In fact, nobody even pretends to do it but the radical Calvinists at the Discovery Institute.

So why do you keep pushing that equivocation fallacy? Are you a Dominionist too?

 

[tas8831]

Wow... So much wrong, where to begin? Not going to waste my time on most of this...

I did not say anything about laws.

I'm just saying evolution is a religion.

And what you are saying is wrong, and foolishly so.

Just like fake space is. There is no evidence.
It's all CGI and Hollywood studio.

Whaaa.......???

Ted Gunderson former FBI boss once blew the whistle on a satanic shadow government. Why have you never heard of this? Because they censor it.

Ted Gunderson was never a boss. He was a disgraced, retired nut that saw Satan around every corner.

And its a conspiracy - of course it is!

Regarding the crazy 9/11 nonsense - check this out and tell us all where the plane went:

Clearly, all part of the conspiracy....

 

[bhsmte]

I did not say anything about laws.

I'm just saying evolution is a religion.

Just like fake space is. There is no evidence.
It's all CGI and Hollywood studio.

NASA won the AUGMENTED REALITY award.
A technique to manipulate 3D coloured holograms live.
Just like they do on the ISS kiddies tv program, which is filmed in Hollywood.

And it's been proven over and over that every word in the Bible is fact.

Why don't they show it on TV?
Because satan his minions own your media, banks, they basically own the world. Lucifer is God in the public school system.

Ted Gunderson former FBI boss once blew the whistle on a satanic shadow government. Why have you never heard of this? Because they censor it.

Full text of "FBI Whistleblower Ted Gunderson Exposes Mind Control, Satanism, Pedophilia, CIA FINDERS and Drugs - COLLECTION"



9/11 was an inside job. Have you ever seen what a small bird does to a fibreglass plane?

It's impossible for a plane to fly through the wtc.

Newton’s Third Law of Motion: “For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.” An aluminum plane hitting a thick steel beam will have the same effect as steel beam being swung at the same speed and hitting the plane. It makes no difference which one is moving as to the effect on the plane and the beam. In both cases the thick steel beam will do damage to the plane and the beam will emerge relatively undamaged. The faster the speed at the point of impact, the more damage that will be done to the plane. Try punching a steel girder. No matter how fast your hand is traveling, you will not be able to break through it; you will eventually break your hand. It matters not if the girder is swung at your hand or you swing your hand at the girder; assuming the impact is at the same speed, the injury to your hand would be the same.

Fighter jet crashes into concrete wall.

The planes were holograms and the towers were laced with thermite.

Here educate yourself.

THE PROOF THAT NO REAL PLANES WERE USED ON 9/11

America knew about the attack on pearl harbour in advance. America invaded an innocent Vietnam and then leaked the plans to Vietnam to make sure the war was as bloody and long as possible.

On top of that the army smuggled opium in the caskets of dead soldiers back to US soil to distribute on the market.

Do you know in order to claim your insurance from obamacare you literally have to get run over by a tractor in downtown NY?

There is much. Much more.
The shadow government rules every government.
USA, Germany, China, Korea, Russia,..
So in that sight. Yes, it is a massive conspiracy.

But instead of looking for things that don't make sense.
And asking questions, you blindly believe what the mainstream media and your schools teach you.

Do you know that there was a giant hospital at auschwitz?
A brothel, post office where inmates could freely write with the outside? Swimming pool, giant kitchen,theatre, cinema,school, you name it. It was a labor camp!

The Jewish Holocaust Hoax Exposed

HOLOCAUST OR HOLOHOAX? YOU BE THE JUDGE! – The Official Website Of Andrew Carrington Hitchcock

International Red Cross Report Confirms the Holocaust of Six Million Jews is a Hoax

Here is how many people died in Auschwitz : 52.389
Because of STARVATION and DISEASE

Jesus is coming.
You can still be saved.

Major league: LOL

 

[Chisel]

DNA consists of 3.000.000.000 characters and they have to be in the correct order! Do you seriously think that happened by chance? It would be IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen by chance.

The Size of the Genome | Rolf Viervant

Dinosaurs are a hoax, they never existed!

Meanwhile nephilim graves have been found over and over.

Lucifer is God in the public school system. And he deceives many.


DNA test confirms Giant Humanoids Existed

 

[Ophiolite]

DNA consists of 3.000.000.000 characters and they have to be in the correct order! Do you seriously think that happened by chance? It would be IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen by chance.

Of course, you are completely correct. It is therefore fortunate that science has never claimed that this happened by chance. Indeed, the Theory of Evolution very firmly declares that it did not happen by chance and specifies how it did occur: primarily through natural selection acting upon the natural variability in a breeding population.

Would it not be best, before you attempt to criticise something, that you at least have a reasonable idea of what that something is? That way you can avoid the risk of looking foolish.

Edit: I just read the rest of your post and some of your earlier ones. I fear my well intentioned advice has come much too late.

Peace be with you.

 

[Chisel]

If someone didn't design it then it is chance.. no matter if it's through survival of the fittest or whatever.

Or you construct a house or you hope that it builds itself by chance..

It's the same as the Big Bang, atheists believe that it just magically happened.
There was nothing and then BAM there was everything

 

[Chisel]

Or did all the animals know in advance where to put every character in the sequence? No? Chance..

You might think I'm the fool now, but you will have all your proof soon when Jesus returns. And then it will be too late. I'm just trying to help you.

I was an atheist for 30 years. Thinking that believers were crazy. Until I researched and kept researching. But you just made me out to be a fool without researching anything.

 

[Ophiolite]

If someone didn't design it then it is chance.. no matter if it's through survival of the fittest or whatever.

Or you construct a house or you hope that it builds itself by chance..

It's the same as the Big Bang, atheists believe that it just magically happened.
There was nothing and then BAM there was everything

Is it chance that when a boulder is dislodged from a mountainside that it rolls downhill? Why are there not an equal number of occassions where it simply flies into the air? Nobody designed it to run down hill.

However, I realise I am talking to the terminally deluded, so I'll just wish you well and be on my way. I come here for intelligent conversation and you are wasting my time.

Peace be with you.

 

[Ophiolite]

But you just made me out to be a fool without researching anything.

You have no knowledge whatsoever of the extent of my research. Such presumption on your part!
You do have the distinction of being the fastest person to go on my Ignore list. No one has ever got there in only two posts before. Congratulations. There is no prize as such, but the benefit, for both of us, is that we shall not need to interact further.

Peace be with you.

 

[Chisel]

Chance of life without a designer = 1 in 10^3330

 

[Chisel]

We're talking about something new. Not an object moving. How big is the chance that the boulder forms into a statue is more accurate. Impossible.

And now I'm on the ignore list after he called me a fool and deluded. While I just meant that he didn't researched nephilim or illuminati freemasonry

 

[Chisel]

So I didn't know what Ophiolite his footnote was.
Did some research and 5 minutes in I found out that PhD's Behe and Meyer debunked this a while ago.

Conclusion : evolution impossible


Jesus is coming soon
Heaven or hell, the choice is yours

 

[USincognito]

YouTube scholarship is the best scholarship.

 

[pitabread]

I have yet to have someone give me a medical research program or procedure that has to have evolution as it's basis for it's findings or it cannot be accomplished.

Sure you have. In fact, I've posted a number of different examples of applied evolution on this forum including medical-related. For example, here's one whereby evolutionary biology is incorporated into drug discovery.

But given the last time I gave you an example of applied evolution you merely hand-waved it away, I don't expect anything different.

 

[rjs330]

What about these Creationist "scientists" we keep hearing about? Are they so useless they can't think about these alternatives you're proposing? Discovery Institute, A.I.G etc are multi-million dollar organizations that claim to be doing just what you suggest, are they not? Yet all they can come up with is diddly squat, no published papers, no positive evidence for "design".... zip.

Why should biologists, who know full well that common ancestry is a fact, do their work for them when the "debate" has been settled for over a hundred years?



No, it's not considered because it's unfalsifiable nonsense.

I repeat, "debate" has been settled for over a hundred years. Get over it.



A child-like and naive understanding of the bible has no bearing on observations of the world around us.




Better send those heroic scientific mavericks over at the Discovery institute a donation and ask them to stop sitting on their hands and do a bit of work then.



Yes, no mainstream scientists are Christian are they?




There is not one single shred of the so called evidence that cannot be contributed to the "Ghost That never Lies". (Cheers Dogmahunter).

Well you can ridicule and mock all you want, but you know what they say about those who do.

All those creation scientists do have information and do write books and papers. But the scientific community at latge does exactly what you are doing. Hand waive away and ridicule them. They are not considered "real" scientists because only "real" scientists believe in evolution.

Your utterly unfalsifiable nonsense is precisely my point. You and others like you absolutely refuse to believe in creation or design because of the designer. Thank you for making my point .

 

[rjs330]

The common tree trunk, factually exists.

Every phylogenetic tree mapped out based on comparative genetics, shows you this trunk.

No it doesn't. More evolution nonsense. DNA is proof of that . You can find out exactly what something is and is not because of DNA. The trees cannot be mapped out because there are huge holes and a ton of assumptions. In fact all that the trees can show is that groups remain the same no matter how far back you go.

 

[rjs330]

In reality, you folks are the only ones who are bringing the bible into this discussion.



Conversly, the moment you have an a priori belief that a designer exists, you need to impose design on reality.

See? This is the difference.

Science starts from the data.
You start from the belief in a designer/creator.

When science finds data that contradicts theories, then science replaces and/or corrects those theories.

When science finds data that contradicts your bible.... you then handwave the data away.

That's the difference between you and a scientist.

When you have a priori belief that Darwin was correct in his interpretation of his observations you need to impose that upon your scientific findings. And if course since evolution cannot be shown to have ever occurred it's an easy thing to do. Cause Darwin was correct in what he observed. Evolution from common ancestry is nothing more than a humans interpretation of observable facts. The interpretation is what's flawed and since evolution is so all encompasing EVERYTHING is evidence of evolution to an evolutionist.

Science may start with data, but unless that data can be observed verified And tested it's not really valid. Evolution grew beyond science to an all encompasing belief system.

 

[rjs330]

With one slight modification I can do this for you. Just let me know you agree to the terms and conditions. Since it will involve some effort on both our parts I would want some sort of legal consequence if either of us defaulted.

We can work out the details later, but all that is required is that you arrange for one of your descendants to meet with one of my descendants in one million years time, at which point my descendant will show yours an example of what you have requested.

I'm sorry its going to take so long, but since you refuse to acknowledge well attested speciation events in the present I believe we need to take the long haul, so that the evolutionary path is very clear to your descendant.

Just let me know when you are ready to proceed.

Oh I'm ready, and I bet you descendant will still he a human and so will mine. And I bet our DNA will still be able to show we are not chimps or guinnea pigs.

 

[rjs330]

God forbid you should actually go a look for yourself.


The Evolution and Medicine Review

Did you actually read any of those? I read three of them and gave up. None of them provided any information on how evolution from a common ancestor was necessary to medical advancement. They didn't mention one single procedure that required evolution from a common ancestor in order to work.

 

[rjs330]

No doubt. But"function"and "purpose"have distinct meanings. The presence of one does not guarantee the presence of the other. Function can sometimes be observed, but purpose does not inhere in the object itself and must be inferred. Your point, apparently, is that purpose can be inferred from function, but this not something that "science does all the time." In fact, nobody even pretends to do it but the radical Calvinists at the Discovery Institute.

So why do you keep pushing that equivocation fallacy? Are you a Dominionist too?

Just more if the same. Prove to me that the heart does not have a function and a purpose.