Nothing changes in this forum.

[Speedwell]

Statistically I should die sometime in the next decade. I feel considerable guilt that I have done almost nothing to counter the problem you describe. It may not be my country, but it is my planet and I shall regret leaving it as messed up as it is.

Don't feel bad. You guys did your part 150 years ago when you declined to grant them diplomatic recognition.

 

[Trimeresurus]

Despite several Supreme and District Court decisions ruling it unconstitutional, there is a vocal and activist segment of the population that wants Creationism in schools.
Americans Weigh In on Evolution vs. Creationism in Schools

Bottom Line

The percentage of Americans who actively want creation, not evolution, to be taught in schools may seem relatively modest at 30%, but this number is significantly larger than the percentage who actively want evolution to be taught over creation.​

In Kansas, and here in Texas, we've had some serious school board battles over it.

What the hell? Are you telling me that 30% of Americans are against teaching evolution at shools? Never been to the US but that is a disturbingly high number.
I don't know a single person who does not believe in evolution. The few christians here believe god made everything by evolution. Okay we have a lot of batshit crazy feminist here instead. How about a trade? We take you creationists if you take our feminists.

 

[Speedwell]

What the hell? Are you telling me that 30% of Americans are against teaching evolution at shools? Never been to the US but that is a disturbingly high number.
I don't know a single person who does not believe in evolution. The few christians here believe god made everything by evolution. Okay we have a lot of batshit crazy feminist here instead. How about a trade? We take you creationists if you take our feminists.

The next fun fact for you is that the 30% in question make up the hard core base of Donald Trump's support.

 

[Trimeresurus]

The next fun fact for you is that the 30% in question make up the hard core base of Donald Trump's support.

I like Trump. There are no more good sitcoms so I sometimes watch him on TV. He is hilariuos. And there is this other angry TV guy who claimes that there is something in the water that makes peoply gay. Love it. Much more entertaining than boring old Merkel telling us she is sorry for all the refugees again.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

I have NEVER said that Adam was "created" on the 3rd Day. Adam was "formed" as the Potter molds clay, physically, on the 3rd Day BEFORE plants herbs and rain. Genesis 2:4-7 Adam was "created" (born again) on the present 6th Day, the Day/Age of Salvation. ALL of mankind lives and dies on the present 6th Day/Age. God has but 7 Days and the 7th is Eternity.

Yes you did. Here: Adam was formed on the 3rd Day

You should know that Biblical scholars spend most of their time trying to agree with the traditional religious Theology which does NOT agree with Science and History. ONLY the people of the last days, with the increased Scientific knowledge of our time can possibly understand the Bible. Daniel 12:4

Can you support your claims that you understand The Bible better than others do?

The reason for the announcement of L.U.C.A. was to show the consensus of today's Scientists. Some thought Panspermia, riding in on Comets, and other such assumptions, was what produced life on planet Earth. In 2016, scientists announced their AGREEMENT with what God told us 3k years ago, in Genesis 1:21.

No, people such as you claim, post-hoc, that the Bible told you this. But, people did not interpret the Bible in that way until scientists had already come up with the idea. That is not the Bible showing predictive power.

Here are predictions in Genesis:

1. Science will soon learn that we live in a Multiverse.

Too late. Scientists and others had already come up with the idea, and people such as you are retro-fitting it to the Bible. This is not The Bible having predictive power.

2. Science or Preachers will soon announce the discovery of the bottom of Adam's firmament in Lake Van, Turkey, which is evidence of life BEFORE the big bang.
3. The discoverer of the firmament will immediately become the richest man on Earth

Can you tell me what a 'firmament' is. In a sufficiently precise way so that we can know that anything found or not found is a firmament. Rather than you trying to fit some random unrelated discovery to your words at a later point.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

What? You mean it is not the same thing as atheism? Thanks for destroying my monocausality. I feel much smarter now.
The user information says "Atheist". I don't really see the point in going to a christan forum as an atheist and complaining about people thinking different. Yeah I know, that creationism thing is really wierd. But still thats what some people believe and it is not my job to make them think different, right?

Here's a question for you: Where do you think people should go to have discussions with people on topics. Where there are only people who agree with them? Or places where there are significant numbers of people who disagree with them?

If you want to, you can go to the parallel sub-forum on this site which is Christians only where you will find a higher proportion of people who think you are expressing deep and valid objections to evolution if you say 'if we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?'

EDIT: Actually, on checking, that's not a good place to say that. But, I'm sure that anyone who wanted to could find some fundamentalist forum somewhere where everyone would agree with an anti-evolution post, reasonable or not.

 

[MoneyGuy]

Evolution says that oak tree became a juniper and a ponderosa and a weeping willow and a palm tree and a Japanese maple.

I don't think you understand evolution.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't think you understand evolution.

Ya think???

 

[Aman777]

Yes you did. Here: Adam was formed on the 3rd Day

Read the post. It says that Adam was "formed" on the 3rd Day. He was BUT Adam was NOT "created" by God the Trinity until the 6th Day.

Can you support your claims that you understand The Bible better than others do?

Sure, and even you can check it out. The FIRST 34 verses of Genesis is an OUTLINE of ALL of the Creation INCLUDING events which will Not happen until the end of the present 6th Day. The outline also shows events of the 7th Day, a future Day/Age, which has no beginning and no end because it's Eternity.

Can you tell me what a 'firmament' is. In a sufficiently precise way so that we can know that anything found or not found is a firmament. Rather than you trying to fit some random unrelated discovery to your words at a later point.

The firmament is the solid metallic boundary of Adam's small Universe. The firmament protected Adam's Earth from the water into which it was submerged, with water above and below it. Gen 1:6-8 It was made on the SECOND Day/Age of the creation, billions of years, in man's time, BEFORE the big bang of our Cosmos.

The firmament, which God called "Heaven" was more like a self-sufficient Submarine and was completely portable. Some 11,000 years ago, in man's time, the firmament was brought to our world and the windows on high were opened. It rained for 40 days and nights and the firmament began to fill with water and sink in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. This released the 450 ft long Ark into the Lake and brought Adam's superior intelligence, like God's Gen 3:22 to our planet of people who descended from the common ancestor of Apes. The bottom of the solid metallic firmament is under 11,000 years of volcanic sediment and it's PROOF of God and worth more than its weight in Gold and it's miles in diameter. That's God's Truth in Genesis. Amen?

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Read the post. It says that Adam was "formed" on the 3rd Day. He was BUT Adam was NOT "created" by God the Trinity until the 6th Day.

Semantics. How can someone be 'formed' but not created?

Sure, and even you can check it out. The FIRST 34 verses of Genesis is an OUTLINE of ALL of the Creation INCLUDING events which will Not happen until the end of the present 6th Day. The outline also shows events of the 7th Day, a future Day/Age, which has no beginning and no end because it's Eternity.

I have checked it out, and I don't see any evidence that you are able to interpret The Bible any better or more accurately than other people who come to other conclusions.

The firmament is the solid metallic boundary of Adam's small Universe. The firmament protected Adam's Earth from the water into which it was submerged, with water above and below it. Gen 1:6-8 It was made on the SECOND Day/Age of the creation, billions of years, in man's time, BEFORE the big bang of our Cosmos.

How do you know this?

What are the distinctive characteristics of the firmament that would allow us to know that some metal found on Earth was firmament, and not just ... metal?

The firmament, which God called "Heaven" was more like a self-sufficient Submarine and was completely portable. Some 11,000 years ago, in man's time, the firmament was brought to our world and the windows on high were opened. It rained for 40 days and nights and the firmament began to fill with water and sink in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. This released the 450 ft long Ark into the Lake and brought Adam's superior intelligence, like God's Gen 3:22 to our planet of people who descended from the common ancestor of Apes. The bottom of the solid metallic firmament is under 11,000 years of volcanic sediment and it's PROOF of God and worth more than its weight in Gold and it's miles in diameter. That's God's Truth in Genesis. Amen?

Again, how do you know this?

Just as a wild guess, I predict that yet again you will provide scripture that does not support your claim without exceptionally loose interpretation. And that you will not justify that interpretation.

 

[rjs330]

That's a collective "you." The Christian Right. in other words.

So why are you here then, if you don't care that evolution is taught in schools?

Because I wanted to counter evolution with the truth. I believe the schools should teach design as well as evolution. I think schools ought to be a place of learning and offering kids alternatives. Such as sex ed and climate change. Teach each of them with as much ferver and information as the other. Example, lay out the benefits of abstinence and and the consequences of premarital sex with as much ferver as we teach about protection. I'm not saying we should dump evolution all together. I'm saying give kids all the information.

 

[rjs330]

I don't think you understand evolution.

I think it's you that doesn't understand. The common ancestor became the spider, the monkey, the guinnea pig, the sparrow the eagle, the worm, the snake, the bat etc. Oh I get it all right. Ugh! Got pulled in again. I'm trying to stay out.

 

[VirOptimus]

Because I wanted to counter evolution with the truth. I believe the schools should teach design as well as evolution. I think schools ought to be a place of learning and offering kids alternatives. Such as sex ed and climate change. Teach each of them with as much ferver and information as the other. Example, lay out the benefits of abstinence and and the consequences of premarital sex with as much ferver as we teach about protection. I'm not saying we should dump evolution all together. I'm saying give kids all the information.

Teaching religion intead of science is stupid.

 

[rjs330]

Semantics. How can someone be 'formed' but not created?



I have checked it out, and I don't see any evidence that you are able to interpret The Bible any better or more accurately than other people who come to other conclusions.



How do you know this?

What are the distinctive characteristics of the firmament that would allow us to know that some metal found on Earth was firmament, and not just ... metal?



Again, how do you know this?

Just as a wild guess, I predict that yet again you will provide scripture that does not support your claim without exceptionally loose interpretation. And that you will not justify that interpretation.

Don't worry, he's injecting his own theory and thoughts into the scriptures. Trying to make them say what he wants rather than just accepting them as they are. As long as people do that they can believe and make the bible say anything they want to. He's teaching what is called false doctrine.

 

[rjs330]

Teaching religion intead of science is stupid.

Design is just as valid as evolution. Just because prevailing thought is the accepted science doesn't mean alternatives are invalid. At one time science believed the world was flat and the sun revolved around the moon. Design can be shown and tested and observed and verified. Even more so than evolution from a common ancestor.

 

[VirOptimus]

Design is just as valid as evolution. Just because prevailing thought is the accepted science doesn't mean alternatives are invalid. At one time science believed the world was flat and the sun revolved around the moon. Design can be shown and tested and observed and verified. Even more so than evolution from a common ancestor.

No it isnt. ID is religion, it has no scientific bearing at all.

The ToE is a very robust and wellsupported scientific theory.

 

[Ophiolite]

At one time science believed the world was flat and the sun revolved around the moon.

Science, as it exists today and as it has been practiced for a handful of centuries, did not exist at the time these beliefs were in place. Your remark, consequently, is irrelevant.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Design is just as valid as evolution.

The lack of evidence for a designer makes design weaker.

Just because prevailing thought is the accepted science doesn't mean alternatives are invalid.

No one said design was invalid. The theory of evolution just has vastly more evidence supporting it.

At one time science believed the world was flat and the sun revolved around the moon.

-_- anything resembling the modern scientific method didn't exist until at least the 1500s, by which point both of those misconceptions (which the bible didn't dispell in the slightest, I might add) were not commonly held by educated individuals. Also, who believed that the sun revolved around the moon? Did you mean to say that people believed that the sun and moon revolved around the Earth?

Design can be shown and tested and observed and verified. Even more so than evolution from a common ancestor.

Then provide an experiment that tests design. If it can be done, give an example.

 

[Aman777]

Semantics. How can someone be 'formed' but not created?

All people are first "formed" physically. SOME people are "created" by God the Trinity, Spiritually. Lord God/Jesus "formed" Adam the THIRD Day like a potter molds the clay and gave him life Gen 2:7 BUT like all men, Adam would have to be born again Spiritually in order to inherit Heaven. This happened on the present 6th Day, the Day of Salvation. Gen 5:1-2 Adam was created along with Eve.

What are the distinctive characteristics of the firmament that would allow us to know that some metal found on Earth was firmament, and not just ... metal?

It's a miles wide metallic firmament in the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey. Since it protected Adam's entire Universe from the water which surrounded it, for Billions of years, AND since it's proof of life beyond our Cosmos, there should be no problem identifying it from rocks, since it was made Billions of years before rocks.

Just as a wild guess, I predict that yet again you will provide scripture that does not support your claim without exceptionally loose interpretation. And that you will not justify that interpretation.

I know that Atheists Agnostics and phonies cannot understand Scripture and you are just one more example of that Fact. I prefer to correct those who study Scripture instead of making an example out of unbelievers who God tells us find it impossible to understand Scripture. 1Co 2:14

 

[Aman777]

Don't worry, he's injecting his own theory and thoughts into the scriptures. Trying to make them say what he wants rather than just accepting them as they are. As long as people do that they can believe and make the bible say anything they want to. He's teaching what is called false doctrine.

False accusation from someone who preaches a biased view of Christianity. What he wants is for everyone to believe his view, a religious view, which changes over time. I challenge him to point out any verses where I have posted "false doctrine". He cannot unless it disagrees with his biased religious view.