Not wanting to make the effort to ask for forgiveness is lazy Christianity

[SeventhFisherofMen]

not really.

context is needed.

asking who? forgiveness for what?

lol ok i feel like i've made my point but my main reason for posting this has been settled, and to answer asking Jesus to forgive us for our sins is necessary, without putting in any effort to do so is considered lazy.

 

[Jamdoc]

lol ok i feel like i've made my point but my main reason for posting this has been settled, and to answer asking Jesus to forgive us for our sins is necessary, without putting in any effort to do so is considered lazy.

well I mean, should have said that and not just a vague statement and just left it at that.

Yes, asking for forgiveness for sins is 1 John 1:8-9 and is part of the way Jesus taught us to pray, the so called "Lord's Prayer"

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

well I mean, should have said that and not just a vague statement and just left it at that.

Yes, asking for forgiveness for sins is 1 John 1:8-9 and is part of the way Jesus taught us to pray, the so called "Lord's Prayer"

Sorry i made my original post out of frustration and did not put much time into it, if you think it should be i can take the post down. What i have wanted to say has been said and i understand if it's vagueness is making it difficult to respond to.

 

[Jamdoc]

Sorry i made my original post out of frustration and did not put much time into it, if you think it should be i can take the post down. What i have wanted to say has been said and i understand if it's vagueness is making it difficult to respond to.

oh you don't need to take the thread down by any means but if you wish editing the original post to explain what you meant might be helpful. I agree with you now that I understand what you were talking about.

 

[Saint Steven]

I do wonder though, aren't the acts of repentance and confession really a way of asking for forgiveness; assuming we know that the Father will provide?

That's a reasonable observation. IMHO

I have been objecting to the claim that if forgiveness is not VERBALLY asked for, it is not given/received.
The say-the-magic-words-or-no-deal approach. No one is "saved" by doctrine. Knowledge comes later.

 

[Saint Steven]

Are you serious?

Completely. Please correct me if I am wrong, thanks.
I have been challenging this idea that forgiveness is only granted when requested,
for several days, with no biblical support provided as proof.
Are you up to the challenge?

Saint Steven said:

Where is asking for forgiveness in either of those examples?

Saint Steven said:
Why is the topic unbiblical? - LOL
Because there is no biblical support for the title assumption that forgiveness can only come when it is asked for.

 

[Saint Steven]

1 John 1:9 KJV — If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If the OP title was changed to 'confess' rather than 'ask for forgiveness' would that work?

The short answer is, "No." (that would not work for me)

The word "lazy" doesn't imply the same level of importance that "confess" does.
Forgiveness is granted when we confess our sin(s), there is no need to ask for forgiveness. No harm done either.

I became sensitive to this issue earlier when someone insisted that we do not have to forgive anyone that doesn't ask us to.
I don't believe that either.

Saint Steven said:

Why is the topic unbiblical? - LOL
Because there is no biblical support for the title assumption that forgiveness can only come when it is asked for.

 

[Daniel Peres]

The reason should can’t see the need to ask for forgiveness is simple. You have a dogmatic belief that it is not necessary to ask for forgiveness when you are aware you have sinned. Whenever a person reads text through the lens of dogma, they are forced to interpret the text to fit their dogma. I have no dogma either way so I am able to read clearly.

 

[Jamdoc]

The reason should can’t see the need to ask for forgiveness is simple. You have a dogmatic belief that it is not necessary to ask for forgiveness when you are aware you have sinned. Whenever a person reads text through the lens of dogma, they are forced to interpret the text to fit their dogma. I have no dogma either way so I am able to read clearly.

When it boils down to it you have entered into a relationship with another person. When you have wronged that person, and you know you have wronged them, isn't it the right thing to do to seek them out, and apologize?
Isn't it taking that person's relationship with you for granted to not apologize to them? Or worse, you're attempting to hide what you did wrong from them?

That person being God changes not only the severity of the wrong you did Him, but also there is no hiding a sin from God. But it does not change the responsible thing to do to be owing up and apologizing and asking for forgiveness. Frankly He knows, and in Hebrews 12, He will chastise and scourge you into repentance if you are not confessing what you did wrong.

1 John 1:8-9 tells us to confess our sins to God and He is faithful to cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

 

[Saint Steven]

Still no biblical proof for this idea? Not surprised.

 

[David's Harp]

From asking for forgiveness to confessing; I've come full circle on this.

All I know is that if I know I've done wrong, I do ask God to forgive me (for whatever the sin was). I think asking for forgiveness is biblically supported as long as we are confessing our sin with it. (We are asking for God's promise of forgiveness that comes with our confession as per 1 John 1:9)

 

[Jamdoc]

From asking for forgiveness to confessing; I've come full circle on this.

All I know is that if I know I've done wrong, I do ask God to forgive me (for whatever the sin was). I think asking for forgiveness is biblically supported as long as we are confessing our sin with it. (We are asking for God's promise of forgiveness that comes with our confession as per 1 John 1:9)

I'm not sure how confession and asking for forgiveness aren't the same thing? To ask for forgiveness first we have to confess.. and if we are confessing aren't we seeking mercy?