Not wanting to make the effort to ask for forgiveness is lazy Christianity

[Gregory Thompson]

No, Christians used to go to the church to settle disputes. This was true in Judaism as well. If a Lutheran has a dispute with a Baptist, which church do they go to?

You don’t have to answer. I don’t want to distract from the topic of the thread.

The text gives room for there being a need of two or three witnesses. No need for a whole church.

 

[Daniel Peres]

The text gives room for there being a need of two or three witnesses. No need for a whole church.

But the reality is that’s the way it was in practice. There was only one church when Jesus spoke those words.

 

[Saint Steven]

The topic title is unbiblical. That says it all.

 

[Saint Steven]

I don’t want to distract from the topic of the thread.

Why not? This topic is going nowhere fast.

 

[Jamdoc]

The title says it all.

not really.

context is needed.

asking who? forgiveness for what?

 

[David's Harp]

The topic title is unbiblical. That says it all.

Ok, I'll bite. Why?

 

[Saint Steven]

Ok, I'll bite. Why?

Why is the topic unbiblical? - LOL
Because there is no biblical support for the title assumption that forgiveness can only come when it is asked for.

 

[Daniel Peres]

Why is the topic unbiblical? - LOL
Because there is no biblical support for the title assumption that forgiveness can only come when it is asked for.

Then why, according to NT, did Christians confess their sins to one another?

How could the Apostles forgive sins without knowing someone sinned?

 

[Saint Steven]

Then why, according to NT, did Christians confess their sins to one another?

How could the Apostles forgive sins without knowing someone sinned?

Where is asking for forgiveness in either of those examples?

Saint Steven said:
Why is the topic unbiblical? - LOL
Because there is no biblical support for the title assumption that forgiveness can only come when it is asked for.

 

[David's Harp]

Why is the topic unbiblical? - LOL
Because there is no biblical support for the title assumption that forgiveness can only come when it is asked for.

1 John 1:9 KJV — If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If the OP title was changed to 'confess' rather than 'ask for forgiveness' would that work?

 

[Daniel Peres]

Where is asking for forgiveness in either of those examples?

Saint Steven said:
Why is the topic unbiblical? - LOL
Because there is no biblical support for the title assumption that forgiveness can only come when it is asked for.

Are you serious?

 

[Der Alte]

Luke 23:34
(34) Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

 

[David's Harp]

Why is the topic unbiblical? - LOL
Because there is no biblical support for the title assumption that forgiveness can only come when it is asked for.

I don't think the OP title suggests that forgiveness can only come when it is asked for, but I agree that there is little biblical support to suggest the need to 'ask for forgiveness', rather we see repentance, personal confession, and forgiving one another.

I do wonder though, aren't the acts of repentance and confession really a way of asking for forgiveness; assuming we know that the Father will provide?

 

[Daniel Peres]

Luke 23:34
(34) Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

God does forgive the ignorant, but we are talking about those Christians that are aware they have committed sin. That’s a big difference.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

But the reality is that’s the way it was in practice. There was only one church when Jesus spoke those words.

When the 12 rebuked a man because he wouldn't follow with them but did miracles and rebuked devils in Jesus name, Jesus said "if he is for us, he's not against us, don't rebuke him."

It's not as you imagine.

 

[Daniel Peres]

Setting aside the question of whether one must ask for forgiveness to be forgiven, let me pose this question. What kind of persons sins against God and doesn’t desire to apologize and ask for forgiveness? After all, just because God forgives freely, it doesn’t mean we are worthy of his forgiveness? Jesus was very clear we must be humble. What is more humble that asking for forgiveness?

 

[Daniel Peres]

When the 12 rebuked a man because he wouldn't follow with them but did miracles and rebuked devils in Jesus name, Jesus said "if he is for us, he's not against us, don't rebuke him."

It's not as you imagine.

And of course Jesus was correct. It is true the Protestants are with Jesus. However, just as Jesus also said, “Those that do not gather with us scatter.” Well, it is a matter of fact, that Protestants have been scattering for over 500 years.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

And of course Jesus was correct. It is true the Protestants are with Jesus. However, just as Jesus also said, “Those that do not gather with us scatter.” Well, it is a matter of fact, that Protestants have been scattering for over 500 years.

Not sure the point, since the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Protestants are this way, because they came from a Catholic seed.

 

[Der Alte]

And of course Jesus was correct. It is true the Protestants are with Jesus. However, just as Jesus also said, “Those that do not gather with us scatter.” Well, it is a matter of fact, that Protestants have been scattering for over 500 years.

It's them other guys who are scattering.

 

[Daniel Peres]

It's them other guys who are scattering.

What do you mean? Every single Protestant church is the result of scattering. Even the churches that can trace their roots to Luther and Calvin have scattered from from them.