Not wanting to make the effort to ask for forgiveness is lazy Christianity

[SeventhFisherofMen]

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asking Jesus to forgive us for our sins is necessary, without putting in any effort to do so is considered lazy.

Here are some scripture to support confessing our sin:

3 When I kept silent,
my bones wasted away
through my groaning all day long.
4 For day and night
your hand was heavy on me;
my strength was sapped
as in the heat of summer.
5 Then I acknowledged my sin to you
and did not cover up my iniquity.
I said, “I will confess
my transgressions to the Lord.”
And you forgave
the guilt of my sin.

Psalm 32



If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 1:9



Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper, but the one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy.

Proverbs 28:13

And last when Jesus is asked how we should pray He says

This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one

Matthew 6:9-10

 

[nhisname]

No conviction

 

[Gregory Thompson]

vaguely being reminded of a verse or two that says you gotta say if you're offended etc. The apology comes after that.

Not the custom today, but it is something Jesus said.

 

[Tolworth John]

vaguely being reminded of a verse or two that says you gotta say if you're offended etc. The apology comes after that.

Not the custom today, but it is something Jesus said.

Luke 17:
3 So watch yourselves.

‘If your brother or sister[a] sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them.

 

[Blade]

a...ok

 

[Maria Billingsley]

The title says it all.

Quenching the Holy Spirit.

 

[David's Harp]

Do you really love God if you deny the need to ask for forgiveness?

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

Quenching the Holy Spirit.

Careful, accusing someone of quenching The Holy Spirit just because they are obeying the Bible and what it says is false accusation, as well as judgemental and should not be done among Christians.

It is possible to have a discussion without accusing people

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Careful, accusing someone of quenching The Holy Spirit just because they are obeying the Bible and what it says is false accusation, as well as judgemental and should not be done among Christians.

It is possible to have a discussion without accusing people

In this case however, the discussion is about doing the opposite of what the bible teaches to do.

I have noticed in the past, that God tends to move on while we talk to ourselves trying to get Him to rubber stamp an idea He said no to already.

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

In this case however, the discussion is about doing the opposite of what the bible teaches to do.

I have noticed in the past, that God tends to move on while we talk to ourselves trying to get Him to rubber stamp an idea He said no to already.

That is your opinion, saying it doesn't make it true though. Please show scripture that says asking for forgiveness is the "opposite" of what the bible teaches, otherwise i'm not so easily swayed by your opinion

 

[Gregory Thompson]

That is your opinion, saying it doesn't make it true though. Please show scripture that says asking for forgiveness is the "opposite" of what the bible teaches, otherwise i'm not so easily swayed by your opinion

My reply is to the subject of the thread.

It says not wanting to make the effort to ask for forgiveness is lazy.

Matthew 18 records Jesus saying:

So Jesus is teaching that if someone sins against you, go and point out their fault.

Your statement implies people should go ask for forgiveness even if the fault is not pointed out.

However, I don't see that in the scripture. Kindly share.

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

My reply is to the subject of the thread.

It says not wanting to make the effort to ask for forgiveness is lazy.

Matthew 18 records Jesus saying:
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So Jesus is teaching that if someone sins against you, go and point out their fault.

Your statement implies people should go ask for forgiveness even if the fault is not pointed out.

However, I don't see that in the scripture. Kindly share.

John 16:7-8 "for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment

So Jesus is saying The Holy Spirit (The Helper) will also convict us of sin. For if our sin only counted if someone pointed it out to us all we'd have to do to avoid sin is do things in secret, but that is not how God works, for God sees everything and it is possible to sin against God and no one else. David mentions himself sinning against God when he says in Psalms "against you and you only have I sinned..."

Once we are convicted of sin we should ask Jesus for forgiveness. It is not some grand thing to do, but rather a simple prayer of asking Jesus to forgive us of whatever sin we have realized we have done.

Now people tend to take this to an extreme and act as if acknowledging this means we have to constantly walk around with a laundry list of wrongs and constantly ask for forgiveness. I do not believe Jesus wants us to over-focus on our sin or constantly repeat our prayers for forgiveness in an obsessive way.

Think rather of if you sinned against your dad, wouldn't you say "Hey dad, sorry for being rude last night when you got home from work, my bad" and that's it. Jesus doesn't want long extravagant prayers of forgiveness, He just wants us to acknowledge when we've made a mistake and ask for forgiveness.

But please don't let the idea of asking for forgiveness turn into this mountain of a task, no it is a simple thing to do. We should treat Jesus as we'd treat a friend, for He is our friend, and as such we should respectfully ask for forgiveness when needed, talk to Him when needed, acknowledge He's with us always, trust that He knows what we need. He is not some angry record keeper, rather He is our God that wants what is best for us. And part of what is best for us is to be washed of our sins when we fall in the mud, and He is ready to wash us, all we must do is ask.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

John 16:7-8 "for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment

So Jesus is saying The Holy Spirit (The Helper) will also convict us of sin. For if our sin only counted if someone pointed it out to us all we'd have to do to avoid sin is do things in secret, but that is not how God works, for God sees everything and it is possible to sin against God and no one else. David mentions himself sinning against God when he says in Psalms "against you and you only have I sinned..."

Once we are convicted of sin we should ask Jesus for forgiveness. It is not some grand thing to do, but rather a simple prayer of asking Jesus to forgive us of whatever sin we have realized we have done.

Now people tend to take this to an extreme and act as if acknowledging this means we have to constantly walk around with a laundry list of wrongs and constantly ask for forgiveness. I do not believe Jesus wants us to over-focus on our sin or constantly repeat our prayers for forgiveness in an obsessive way.

Think rather of if you sinned against your dad, wouldn't you say "Hey dad, sorry for being rude last night when you got home from work, my bad" and that's it. Jesus doesn't want long extravagant prayers of forgiveness, He just wants us to acknowledge when we've made a mistake and ask for forgiveness.

But please don't let the idea of asking for forgiveness turn into this mountain of a task, no it is a simple thing to do. We should treat Jesus as we'd treat a friend, for He is our friend, and as such we should respectfully ask for forgiveness when needed, talk to Him when needed, acknowledge He's with us always, trust that He knows what we need. He is not some angry record keeper, rather He is our God that wants what is best for us. And part of what is best for us is to be washed of our sins when we fall in the mud, and He is ready to wash us, all we must do is ask.

So if the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, then we can confess it to God.

However, if an individual needs to talk about, they really need to bring it up.

Since the OP gave no explanation, I just went with what scripture I was reminded of.

Also, it would be helpful if you clarified: After reading your explanation, how? is it lazy?

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

So if the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, then we can confess it to God.

However, if an individual needs to talk about, they really need to bring it up.

Since the OP gave no explanation, I just went with what scripture I was reminded of.

Also, it would be helpful if you clarified: After reading your explanation, how? is it lazy?

oh i see, no i'm talking about Christians that don't want to bother asking God for forgiveness of their sin claiming they are already saved so no effort needs to be put into asking for forgiveness when they sin (once again between them and God not as you first thought between one person and another)

it's lazy because they are taking something that God asks us to do and try to justify not doing it, which is lazy. It's a simple thing to communicate to Jesus when we mess up and should not be neglected.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

oh i see, no i'm talking about Christians that don't want to bother asking God for forgiveness of their sin claiming they are already saved so no effort needs to be put into asking for forgiveness when they sin (once again between them and God not as you first thought between one person and another)

it's lazy because they are taking something that God asks us to do and try to justify not doing it, which is lazy. It's a simple thing to communicate to Jesus when we mess up and should not be neglected.

I get it now.

I have a blindspot if I already assigned another adjective to something, thank you for explaining.

I assigned hazardous to the practice of not confessing sins, so was unable to see "lazy"

thanks again.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Faith produces in us the gift of repentance. The penitent heart is a heart that trusts in Christ and His promises, recognizing and confessing that one is a sinner; and more importantly trusting that Christ is our Savior. How can we call Christ Savior unless we acknowledge that we need saving?

The two go hand-in-hand. If one is actively refusing repentance, they are actively choking out their faith and are making shipwreck of their faith. If we find ourselves in that position, we should know in just what dire straights we are in. Call out, cry out to Christ. Cleave to His cross and all His promises.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Careful, accusing someone of quenching The Holy Spirit just because they are obeying the Bible and what it says is false accusation, as well as judgemental and should not be done among Christians.

It is possible to have a discussion without accusing people

I didn't read this as an accusation against you or anyone; but rather saying when we refuse to repent we are quenching the Holy Spirit. We grieve the Spirit when we refuse to heed Him when He directs us to Christ, when He directs us to our need of Christ, that great is our sin--and greater still is Jesus who saves us from our sin.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Daniel Peres]

My reply is to the subject of the thread.

It says not wanting to make the effort to ask for forgiveness is lazy.

Matthew 18 records Jesus saying:
View attachment 324423

So Jesus is teaching that if someone sins against you, go and point out their fault.

Your statement implies people should go ask for forgiveness even if the fault is not pointed out.

However, I don't see that in the scripture. Kindly share.

1) You make an interesting point, because it is important to recognize one’s own faults. Jesus came to heal the sick. If you can’t admit you are sick, then he can’t heal you.

2) In that verse you pointed out… which church was Jesus talking about?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

1) You make an interesting point, because it is important to recognize one’s own faults. Jesus came to heal the sick. If you can’t admit you are sick, then he can’t heal you.

2) In that verse you pointed out… which church was Jesus talking about?

Which church? It was a general teaching of how to relate to your religious brothers and sisters.

 

[Daniel Peres]

The title says it

Which church? It was a general teaching of how to relate to your religious brothers and sisters.

No, Christians used to go to the church to settle disputes. This was true in Judaism as well. If a Lutheran has a dispute with a Baptist, which church do they go to?

You don’t have to answer. I don’t want to distract from the topic of the thread.