Not sinning does not mean anything; not equivalent to holiness or godliness

[QueSi]

I have never met anyone who follows Jesus teaching and walks in perfect love.

We are all in need of a savior and the forgiveness that comes through faith in the cross of Christ. That is the narrow road.

Just because you have never met them does not mean that they don't exist...you believe in Jesus but never met him. Yes, we are in need of a savior and thankfully Jesus came and taught us how to live and what to do to be saved from death.

 

[QueSi]

You'd do good to broaden your horizons.

Why did Jesus do many of the sensational things that he did.

Yes, sometimes. Sin is our condition. We have missed the mark of God's perfection. We are never not sinful.

The bible teaches everything I need to know in regards to my religion.

Sensational things? Can you give a few examples?

What unintentional sins might you have committed lately?

 

[endtimewarrior]

Just because you have never met them does not mean that they don't exist

They don't exist. The perfect lamb was Christ. No one else keeps the law perfectly.

 

[QueSi]

They don't exist. The perfect lamb was Christ. No one else keeps the law perfectly.

Jesus kept the law from birth, but is it not possible that after learning the law that someone can keep it from that point on?

 

[endtimewarrior]

The bible teaches everything I need to know in regards to my religion.

It wouldn't hurt you to read some other authors. It may help bring clarity to the text.

Sensational things? Can you give a few examples?

Read the entire gospels. If you can't see what a sensational character Christ is you are blind.

What unintentional sins might you have committed lately?

Well I haven't been as loving as I could have been toward you. I suppose that is unintentional and sin.

 

[endtimewarrior]

Jesus kept the law from birth, but is it not possible that after learning the law that someone can keep it from that point on?

No. If it was possible to keep the law then Christ died in vein.

 

[QueSi]

It wouldn't hurt you to read some other authors. It may help bring clarity to the text.

Read the entire gospels. If you can't see what a sensational character Christ is you are blind.

Well I haven't been as loving as I could have been toward you. I suppose that is unintentional and sin.

Thanks, but I prefer the bible in its easy to read form.

I just wanted a few examples if you could provide them as I have read through the gospels many many times and want your opinion.

Not being as loving towards me is still intentional, you intended to type everything that you typed.

 

[QueSi]

No. If it was possible to keep the law then Christ died in vein.

But then his life wouldn't have been in vein.

 

[endtimewarrior]

But then his life wouldn't have been in vein.

You really need to gain a proper understanding of power of the cross of Christ. It was his mission and why he came. He came to die and bring a new covenant in his blood.

 

[endtimewarrior]

I just wanted a few examples if you could provide them as I have read through the gospels many many times and want your opinion.

He raised Lazarus from the dead. I'd say that's pretty radical.

 

[endtimewarrior]

Oh, I also wanted to add something about the passage where Jesus states, "Go and sin no more". It is thought that that passage was added to the bible at a later date and may be doesn't belong in there. Read the footnote for that section.

 

[QueSi]

You really need to gain a proper understanding of power of the cross of Christ. It was his mission and why he came. He came to die and bring a new covenant in his blood.

I don't put any emphasis on the cross, but his death is significant. I believe his mission was to teach because to me, if his mission was to die he could have made that happen as an infant.

 

[QueSi]

Oh, I also wanted to add something about the passage where Jesus states, "Go and sin no more". It is thought that that passage was added to the bible at a later date and may be doesn't belong in there. Read the footnote for that section.

The version I have that is the oldest translation into English has it in there and I prefer that version.

 

[bottomofsandal]

If I am blessed enough to make it around the sun 50 times, I hope to have not sinned from this point, but as I'm not even sure that I can make it to see tomorrow, thinking ahead 20 years is a big stretch. So my answer is that I don't know nor have any way of knowing.

You say we can all go different lengths of time without sinning (I'll agree with whatever your idea of sinning is for this dialogue), so do you think that someone can go for one minute without sinning?

Intermission at the hockey game...


Please understand: I know of no Christian who wants to sin. If anyone believes in their heart, mind, and spirit that they do not sin, that is between them and God. I am emphasizing absolute, total, perfect, without compromise adherence to the laws, ordinances, and precepts of God. No faltering, no short-comings, no falling short or missing the mark. No, none, not ever. This is the level of perfection that God demands. It is a perfection that we cannot even comprehend, a perfection that required God sacrificng His own Son for our sins. We see ourselves differently than God does. God loves us, but do we believe God loves us more if we sin less ?

 

[QueSi]

He raised Lazarus from the dead. I'd say that's pretty radical.

Radical, yes, but there is always a lesson he was trying to get across.

 

[bottomofsandal]

I don't put any emphasis on the cross, but his death is significant. I believe his mission was to teach because to me, if his mission was to die he could have made that happen as an infant.

No emphasis on the cross...???

He bore our sins in His Body on the tree !!!

 

[hmw]

Actually he doesn't oppose himself. For he has faith in Jesus Christ to overcome his sinful nature. You just lack the understanding that he knows to be true.

1Jn 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
1Jn 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
1Jn 5:5 Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

So you are saying we don't need to keep his commandments, but the scripture shows differently. And Kemo has faith that we can overcome the world with our faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus is the light of the world. We can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Does this have no meaning for you? It has meaning to me that Christ will strengthen my weak resolve and propel me beyond my sinful nature. Until you experience it, you will not know what I am talking about.

The thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" is God's example to the world that we're saved by grace.

But you disagree with God and add works of the law to grace. This is being lukewarm, Rev 3:15,16.

You follow a doctrine that continues under the ministry of condemnation/death (that was done away with), 2Cor 3:7.

Rom 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Believers are under the much more glorious ministry of the spirit/righteousness.

And note the commandments under this ministry.
1John 3:22,23
we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

What is God's will that we obey?
John 6:40
this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

What commandment do we keep without spot and blameless?
1Tim 6:12-14
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession(confess Jesus with out mouth, Rom 10:9) in the presence of many witnesses. 13 I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, 14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing

How do we overcome?
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

And what are our works that shows our faith?
John 6:29
believe in Him whom He sent

Note how the law is not mentioned in any of these. And remember the thief on the cross who obeyed God's commandment as given in the scriptures above.

But, some will still oppose themselves and deny God through their desire to be under the law for righteousness, Tit 1:16. Like the foolish Galatians, they seek to be perfected by the flesh.

 

[QueSi]

Intermission at the hockey game...

Please understand: I know of no Christian who wants to sin. If anyone believes in their heart, mind, and spirit that they do not sin, that is between them and God. I am emphasizing absolute, total, perfect, without compromise adherence to the laws, ordinances, and precepts of God. No faltering, no short-comings, no falling short or missing the mark. No, none, not ever. This is the level of perfection that God demands. It is a perfection that we cannot even comprehend, a perfection that required God sacrificng His own Son for our sins. We see ourselves differently than God does. God loves us, but do we believe God loves us more if we sin less ?

No, I think he loves us the same, but the point of not sinning isn't for his love, but because of his love it is a choice to not sin.

 

[QueSi]

No emphasis on the cross...???

He bore our sins in His Body on the tree !!!

As I said, I find the significance in his death, not a piece of wood that he was nailed to.

 

[Norah63]

This is just like a denominational quandry. One teaches that we must believe in grace, and that alone. So when we sin we can know we are already forgiven.
The other teaches free will, and that we must hold fast to the right path and avoid sin.
I must admit that with out any responsibility our faith will not get much exercise.
Go and sin no more was asking the woman to agree with Jesus. Sin is being in disagreement with our Lord Jesus. So we give our live over to Him and ask Him to guide us in all ways that we could avoid the pitfalls of the devil.
The peace that grace can give and the fact that grace works in us when we allow it is a most precious thing.
Just my thoughts after reading all your posts.