Not my usual thread.....

[Cosmic Charlie]

People keep asking what Occupy wants, what are the demands.

Why am I a member of this hippie based, lazy bunch of fornitcators.

Here's why:

Hello,

I'm unemployed over two years now, a 99er without any benefits for three months. I followed Unemployed Friends almost from its start, never posted until now, but am grateful for my time with you all. I did as asked with calls and e-mails, etc. I've a confession to make to you all. I'm a criminal.

I've obeyed the 10 commandments and all laws except: I'm unemployed and that's now a crime, I'm poor and that's a crime, I'm worthless surplus population and that's a crime, I'm a main street American Citizen born and raised in the USA and that's now a crime, and I'm euthanizing myself as I write this note -- so arrest my corpse ....
Mark's Story ~ A 99er Welcomes Death

It's a year old post now, I read it when it was orginally posted. Unemployed Friends couldn't trace the IP address fully back to an original machine but people who (claimed at least) to know the author have claimed this letter is genune.

This has to stop.

This
has
to
stop.

And call me desprate, call me a sucker for falling for a faked post, call me anything you want.

But I'll hook up with ANY outfit that I think is putting on the brakes of this disfunctional system.

Occupy just happened to the first thing that happened by.

And I hooked up.

 

[benedictaoo]

so he really killed himself?

There are countless numbers of suicides we don't hear about.

PPl are killing themselves alot these days due to home forcloseurs and lay offs, ect.

Its a system that does need revamping to say the very least.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

so he really killed himself?

There are countless numbers of suicides we don't hear about.

PPl are killing themselves alot these days due to home forcloseurs and lay offs, ect.

Its a system that does need revamping to say the very least.

Well, he either did or its a hoax. The website seems to think it wasn't a hoax.

Ultimately, I don't even care anymore. Its a succient, compelling example of what people are going through and, to me at least, that's all that matters.

Having said that, I thinks is genune. Unemployed Friend really tried to find this guy and everything they found suggests its genune. Several news sevice picked this up and attempted to verify it and they seemed to think it genune as well

 

[benedictaoo]

okay I read the letter and I feel the same way... where I live at, there a casino walking distance from me and a firemen was telling my husband every night for years there has been suicide in the parking lot- last Friday 5 ppl killed themselves just in that location. I guess they gamble what ever they have in desperation and then kill themselves when that don't work.

We were told the local media will not report these suicides because the local politicians who make money off the casinos wants to have ppl believe its good for our community.

there was a preist that was found dead in a canal with Casino chips from there in his pocket years back.

There was a young mother very close to where I live who killed herself in her house and her three kids because her house went into foreclosure the 2nd time and she couldn't' handle it.

We're giving money to the banks and they still are taking ppl's houses. and if they do modify them... with no job, they fall into forcloseure again.

I do not know how they expect ppl to live but I know dang sure the banks taking a loss won't kill any of them.

 

[benedictaoo]

Well, he either did or its a hoax. The website seems to think it wasn't a hoax.

Ultimately, I don't even care anymore. Its a succient, compelling example of what people are going through and, to me at least, that's all that matters.

Having said that, I thinks is genune. Unemployed Friend really tried to find this guy and everything they found suggests its genune. Several news sevice picked this up and attempted to verify it and they seemed to think it genune as well

I agree Charlie, I'm upset too.

 

[MikeK]

You don't have to be a filthy hippy liberal who violates the 10 Commandments and litters in parks and begs for supper-friendly bunny cops to douse them with pepperspray to understand that the path we are on is not sustainable and must be fixed, you just have to understand a tiny bit of basic math.


Inflation adjusted increase in after-tax household income between 1979 and 2005 for the top 1% and the four quintiles

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

I prefer to blame the 100% than a useful 1%. We are living beyond our means. Middle class people wanted big houses in big cities that were not affordable. We lost our factories because people wanted to get paid $70 an hour for simple labor. College kids refuse to take simple jobs because they believe they should make $60,000 a year and find meaningful employment when they graduate and their refusal to work has only hurt the economy further.

What we need are politicians on both sides to tell people that our expectations are not sustainable.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

I prefer to blame the 100% than a useful 1%. We are living beyond our means. Middle class people wanted big houses in big cities that were not affordable. We lost our factories because people wanted to get paid $70 an hour for simple labor. College kids refuse to take simple jobs because they believe they should make $60,000 a year and find meaningful employment when they graduate and their refusal to work has only hurt the economy further.

What we need are politicians on both sides to tell people that our expectations are not sustainable.

Explain how, exactly the highest 1% is useful.

And

Anything you claim, back up with facts that are varifiable because I don't think you can come up with anything back up able. I'm willing to defend the proposition the the highest 1% COST money in this country.

Explain how the middle class caused this current situation, please back up your stand with facts. Because I don't think it possible to pin this ecomonic sitatuation on the middle class because it wasn't caused by them

Provide BLS facts the should that jobs are available for college educated kids to take that a person (any person college educated or not) can take and live within 120% of poverty for a family of 4. (In other words a 25 year old with a family can live on).

I dare you on the last one.

I double dog dare you.

Sactimously spewing out talking points from some, I don't know what weirdly website do not consitute truth.

Unless, of course, we're back to reality being relative on this board.

 

[MikeK]

I prefer to blame the 100% than a useful 1%. We are living beyond our means. Middle class people wanted big houses in big cities that were not affordable. We lost our factories because people wanted to get paid $70 an hour for simple labor. College kids refuse to take simple jobs because they believe they should make $60,000 a year and find meaningful employment when they graduate and their refusal to work has only hurt the economy further.

What we need are politicians on both sides to tell people that our expectations are not sustainable.

There's plenty of greed and blame to go around - but that does not change the fact that the incomes of the 1% simply cannot continue to grow in relashionship to everyone else's at the rate that they have been if there's going to be anything resembling an American dream left for our kids to pursue.

 

[benedictaoo]

this middle classer wanted a bigger house in a half way decent neighborhood because I did what I was supposed to do, use NFP and I have 6 kids as a result. They have to be housed.

if it were up to me I would have a less big house. It's not because I want one but because I truly need one. I don't think its greed in all cases.

and because I have to have a bigger house I can't afford the other things in life we should like health insurence for us.

 

[epiclesis]

I prefer to blame the 100% than a useful 1%. We are living beyond our means. Middle class people wanted big houses in big cities that were not affordable. We lost our factories because people wanted to get paid $70 an hour for simple labor. College kids refuse to take simple jobs because they believe they should make $60,000 a year and find meaningful employment when they graduate and their refusal to work has only hurt the economy further.

What we need are politicians on both sides to tell people that our expectations are not sustainable.

Parents tell kids they need to go to college so they're not working at mcdonalds for the rest of their lives.
They go to college like they are told they have to. They graduate... why would they want to take a "simple job" now? They went to school so they wouldn't have to - or at least that's what they were told.

 

[Fantine]

Spiritual Antiseptic, what your solution fails to consider is that everyone who falls out of the middle-class and into poverty hurts our entire economy--including businesses, including the 1%.

The poor can't afford to own homes, buy new or gently-used cars, go on vacations, eat out, buy Christmas gifts. And all of those actions require the behind the scenes action of workers.

When people are being paid living wages everyone profits.

 

[OuterWater]

I am currently working for minimum wage. Before my current job, I never worked minimum wage in my entire life, including when I was a teenager. I have a bachelor's degree and was making good money with an advertising firm that I worked at for 9 years before the job disappeared out from underneath me. I had a couple of choices. I could sit around and cry about it, go march on city hall and say it's all the rich people's fault, or I could do what I did, cut way back, take what job I could find immediately, and make plans to go back to school to finish my education next September, which the government will happily lend me aid for, since I am now broke.

Times are hard and people are suffering. Truly suffering. Among the suffering, however, are a bunch of whiny snot nosed self-entitled crybabies who think that just because life got hard, the wealthy should take on the burden of bailing them out. Meanwhile the government hops on the bandwagon and says "Oh see all these poor disenfranchised souls. Come vote for me and I'll help you. Even though we've done nothing thus far to help you and will likely continue to do nothing."

 

[WarriorAngel]

I dont think anyone knows how much i want the economy to jump start back to life.
My husband works out of town now because he couldnt find work. I see him on weekends but really wish he was here to help with the kids and house.
He used to work on modular homes - but without home sales that dried up and he had to find work far away.

So i spent a lot of time either stressed totally for so many reasons and or depressed.

I would like for America to have a new start. Amongst the reasons mentioned and to have a whole family again.

 

[whitetiger1]

People keep asking what Occupy wants, what are the demands.

Why am I a member of this hippie based, lazy bunch of fornitcators.

Here's why:

Hello,

I'm unemployed over two years now, a 99er without any benefits for three months. I followed Unemployed Friends almost from its start, never posted until now, but am grateful for my time with you all. I did as asked with calls and e-mails, etc. I've a confession to make to you all. I'm a criminal.

I've obeyed the 10 commandments and all laws except: I'm unemployed and that's now a crime, I'm poor and that's a crime, I'm worthless surplus population and that's a crime, I'm a main street American Citizen born and raised in the USA and that's now a crime, and I'm euthanizing myself as I write this note -- so arrest my corpse ....
Mark's Story ~ A 99er Welcomes Death

It's a year old post now, I read it when it was orginally posted. Unemployed Friends couldn't trace the IP address fully back to an original machine but people who (claimed at least) to know the author have claimed this letter is genune.

This has to stop.

This
has
to
stop.

And call me desprate, call me a sucker for falling for a faked post, call me anything you want.

But I'll hook up with ANY outfit that I think is putting on the brakes of this disfunctional system.

Occupy just happened to the first thing that happened by.

And I hooked up.

Not really, there is the Tea Party. I work and because of that I am an enemy of the State

 

[isshinwhat]

One of the things that annoys me the most was the rhetoric fired at the Tea Party; it's potentially violent, they're racist, it's all driven by political action groups, etc., was unwarranted but still made headlines. Flash forward a few months and the same people making those claims are all on on onboard with the Occupy Movement. Here in Phoenix we had armed militia members with supposed Neo-Nazi ties who were there "protecting the protestors" from "unjust police aggression," stating they were willing to use violence against the Police. Occupy supporters thought it was great, but can you imagine the uproar that would have occurred had that been a Tea Party rally? Where is the intellectual honesty?

I think it's great that people on both sides of the fence are becoming vocal in their attempt to fix our problems; however, so long as both sides continue to be neatly divided along the same party lines that already exist, nothing will get accomplished. Someone is winning, and it's not We the People, and frankly, Charlie, I'm surprised that someone as seemingly intelligent as yourself is buying into dog and pony show.

 

[Joshua G.]

People keep asking what Occupy wants, what are the demands.

Why am I a member of this hippie based, lazy bunch of fornitcators.

Here's why:

Hello,

I'm unemployed over two years now, a 99er without any benefits for three months. I followed Unemployed Friends almost from its start, never posted until now, but am grateful for my time with you all. I did as asked with calls and e-mails, etc. I've a confession to make to you all. I'm a criminal.

I've obeyed the 10 commandments and all laws except: I'm unemployed and that's now a crime, I'm poor and that's a crime, I'm worthless surplus population and that's a crime, I'm a main street American Citizen born and raised in the USA and that's now a crime, and I'm euthanizing myself as I write this note -- so arrest my corpse ....
Mark's Story ~ A 99er Welcomes Death

It's a year old post now, I read it when it was orginally posted. Unemployed Friends couldn't trace the IP address fully back to an original machine but people who (claimed at least) to know the author have claimed this letter is genune.

This has to stop.

This
has
to
stop.

And call me desprate, call me a sucker for falling for a faked post, call me anything you want.

But I'll hook up with ANY outfit that I think is putting on the brakes of this disfunctional system.

Occupy just happened to the first thing that happened by.

And I hooked up.

And all of those are good reasons, important reasons to demand change. I am not sure if this is in part directed at me (I know for sure it is not directed SOLEY at me) but just in case.

I never once accused you of being part of a lazy bunch of fornicators (never heard anyone suggest that Occupy was full of fornicators. wierd). I also always assumed that you believed this had to stop. I will never blame anyone for doing what for fighting what they believe for even if it does seem desperarte. The fight against abortion is quite desperate but that doesn't mean we shoud sit on our hands and do nothing about it.

That said, I don't see how this plans to change anything. I don't see a plan. It doesn't bother me except that it does bother me when others assume that I should accept this as a fix to the system. So far,I have been given no substantial reasons has to how this fixes anything. I don't mind it. I could be wrong. But I am not going to use up my Saturday mornings that I could spend with my family if I beleive it's in vain. So far, I see it as aimless (not lazy); lacking any remote direction.

What bothers me is that many occupiers are beginning to act as if THEY are the only one's who care about this adn that if you aren't out there, you don't care about people like this guy in the post you reposted.

I could be wrong. I really could be. But that's how I see it. For now, occupiers need to stop assuming that they care about the 99% more than anyone else. They also need to realize that they are complaining about nothing novel. They are complaining about things that are legitmate to compalin about but the masses aren't being woken up to anything they didn't already realize and hate about wallstreet. If there was any epiphany it was Enron followed by 2008. Not Occupy. Occupy is a consequence, not a catalyst.

Josh

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Explain how, exactly the highest 1% is useful.

And

Anything you claim, back up with facts that are varifiable because I don't think you can come up with anything back up able. I'm willing to defend the proposition the the highest 1% COST money in this country.

Explain how the middle class caused this current situation, please back up your stand with facts. Because I don't think it possible to pin this ecomonic sitatuation on the middle class because it wasn't caused by them

Provide BLS facts the should that jobs are available for college educated kids to take that a person (any person college educated or not) can take and live within 120% of poverty for a family of 4. (In other words a 25 year old with a family can live on).

I dare you on the last one.

I double dog dare you.

Sactimously spewing out talking points from some, I don't know what weirdly website do not consitute truth.

Unless, of course, we're back to reality being relative on this board.

Well, you are making an argument and then implying that if I don't have 'facts' for it then we are to assume your position is the valid one, even though you didn't present any facts in your claims.

So, I will likewise stick with claims. That is all you can really do anyways, since we are dealing with economic theory.

I should begin by stating my position clearly- I believe that all the resources of the United States belong to the people of the United States and they are intended for the good of our society and all mankind. That being said, private property is a necessity in our society which almost all of us support and so there will be unequal distribution of those resources. In a perfect world, all resources would be distributed equally, even across the global. However, human nature requires unequal distribution, primarily because it means the resources will be better managed and it provides incentives for work.

The top one percent are the primary investors in the economy and the ones making decisions about what companies and things to support. Their craving for wealth creates a productive system where they support the things that are most efficient and cost effective. We know from socialist systems that planned economies, where money is placed without motivation for increasing wealth, simply do not work productively at all. The more the government spends of our money for so called 'stimulus' is the more money kept out of the system. We take money from people whose goal is to produce effective systems and corporations to give it to people whose goal is to distribute wealth based on lobbying efforts.

The middle class are much to blame for spending beyond their means. They created a housing bubble where they poured more and more money into home investments. We have created cities where people live far apart from each other and use up a lot of gas and have almost no reasonable public transportation. The situation is made even worse because they do not carpool and they have large cars.

Jobs are not available for college kids fresh out of college to support a family and no one owes them that. Many of them have useless degrees and they did not think about the marketability of their education. Furthermore, many have not had jobs before and do not show a commitment or experience in a work place. When I left college, I had to take a low paying job to gain the experience I needed for my field. I didn't deserve a high wage, I was far less productive than someone who had spent years in the field.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

this middle classer wanted a bigger house in a half way decent neighborhood because I did what I was supposed to do, use NFP and I have 6 kids as a result. They have to be housed.

if it were up to me I would have a less big house. It's not because I want one but because I truly need one. I don't think its greed in all cases.

and because I have to have a bigger house I can't afford the other things in life we should like health insurence for us.

In most countries people have large houses but they also live side by side with another house. Only the very wealthy have yards and kids play in the many public parks in their area.

But we do not want that. We want to be different from everyone else and have a giant yard and big cars and a 45 minute drive to work and then we want to blame the wealthy for their greed. It's absurd.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Parents tell kids they need to go to college so they're not working at mcdonalds for the rest of their lives.
They go to college like they are told they have to. They graduate... why would they want to take a "simple job" now? They went to school so they wouldn't have to - or at least that's what they were told.

Their parents were idiots if they told them they were going to get a great job out of college, especially regardless of their degree and experience.

The fact is, you may have to work at a simple job out of college for a while until you get a better job. It says a lot about your character. A college grad that has done nothing for two years after college and expected a fancy job sounds like the kind of brat I would not want working for me.

All these brats with useless degrees who refuse to work are hurting the economy. If they worked even simple jobs, they would have more money to spend, which means companies would have more money to hire people and slowly more jobs would become available.