Not capable

[raven1]

I have come to the conclusion that some people are not capable of having total faith. Whatever that reason may be. This saddens me and scares me because he says there should be no reason to not believe. I know I am going to doubt forever. I know me. I am never going to deny God because he may say depart from me but I won't be able to have perfect faith like I once did. I have tried for over a year to not doubt but nothing makes my faith come back nor make it disappear. In fact I am more prone to doubt. What is I do now? I can't just give up apologetics they don't help but how am I to believe if I don't search for truth but everything just keeps me at I can't know so what's the point. How do I stay close to God if I am not trying to prove his existence?

 

[tripletiger1200]

Just say you believe and leave it at that. Don't acknowledge the doubts, don't say that you can't know for sure. Don't try to use complex logical arguments to break down the doubts. Just say to yourself that you know that God is real, Jesus is His son, and that you are saved, and act accordingly. The way I got over my doubts was to flat out deny them. It doesn't have to be a fight.

 

[raven1]

I totally get that but what if I am right and they don't ever stop what does that mean? What am I supposed to do about my fear there is nothing after this. I need to process it but everytime I try I think I am going to he'll.

 

[tripletiger1200]

They may never stop. No one has perfect faith. You don't need to never have any doubts to be saved. Fundamentalists are wrong. You have OCD, you will always doubt. We are all people, and we cannot see God, so no matter what kind of self righteous crap that some may like to spew, no one has perfect faith all the time, because as humans we are not capable of that.

 

[raven1]

I am so confused about OCD and doubting what is regular doubt and OCD doubt.

 

[kaykay9.0]

I agree with Tripletiger. Pretty much what helped me was just to say, I believe enough that I'm going to walk towards Jesus the rest of my life. Doubts may come or they may not but I've made my decision for Jesus because I truly believe He is the way and the truth and the life. Again, doubts may come but I try not to entertain them or argue with them, just keep walking towards Jesus.

Also, I don't know what constitutes OCD doubt and real doubt except to say that if you struggle with OCD, you are more like to struggle with doubt in all areas, not just faith issues. When one issue is "satisfied" another will arise to replace it if you allow it too. Hope this makes some sense to you.

 

[raven1]

Do u have full faith again Kaykay? I do not even know if he exists that's my doubt how do say he is the way? How do I not freak out by no afterlife? I also feel the only reason I stay with him the little I do he because of hell. How do I know it's good enough.

 

[kaykay9.0]

I still have doubts arise on occasion but I try not to argue with them, let them ruin my day, or control me. I will say this that generally the less you argue with them or freak out about them, the less they will come.

It also seems to me that your fear of hell is strong which indicates you do have a quite a bit of faith in Christianity being right despite your doubts.

 

[cedward1]

It seems to me that there are two possibilities here. Either Jesus was right about the things He said, or He wasn't. He tells us about Hell. If He is wrong, then you don't have to worry about it. If He is right, then you will find what you seek.

Just keep seeking, and don't let fears stop you. I often think that the fears are a trick of Satan, trying to keep you and I from God.

Have you told Jesus of your doubts, and asked Him to help you?

 

[raven1]

U know what is unbelievable to me. My husband never doubts God but fears no afterlife but only if he thinks he is going to die otherwise he just keeps on believing in heaven. What in the world? Makes no sense to me. He isn't afraid of 2012 or anything either.

 

[gracealone]

Great Post KayKay. I agree and have done the same.
Mitzi

I agree with Tripletiger. Pretty much what helped me was just to say, I believe enough that I'm going to walk towards Jesus the rest of my life. Doubts may come or they may not but I've made my decision for Jesus because I truly believe He is the way and the truth and the life. Again, doubts may come but I try not to entertain them or argue with them, just keep walking towards Jesus.

Also, I don't know what constitutes OCD doubt and real doubt except to say that if you struggle with OCD, you are more like to struggle with doubt in all areas, not just faith issues. When one issue is "satisfied" another will arise to replace it if you allow it too. Hope this makes some sense to you.

 

[raven1]

Dear God. I doubt your existence alot. Please help me if your there I don't want to go to hell. That's what I say and it scares me and the fact I know I will doubt till I die. I get scared when you guys say walk toward Jesus because he is the way the truth and light. I don't know that. That is my problem and next week Camping said the rapture will happen.

 

[OCD=Owie]

Isn't that the same guy who said that it would happen in May? I think that guy has proven himself as either a fool or a liar.

But anyway, Raven, you don't have to have complete certainty to continue on in your faith.

Also, you said that you're afraid that, if you get rid of your OCD, then you will still have doubts, and be even worse off. I have to say, that sounds pretty silly since you haven't even defeated your OCD yet. It seems that you believe that your doubts have nothing to do with OCD. Is that right?

 

[raven1]

Well I cant know they are OCD or not right? That is impossible right? I am saying whatever doubt it is. I know in my core it want go OCD or not and I don't know if God can forgive me or not. I know it sounds silly but I know me. My last fear lasted twenty six years and the only way I got rid of it was to accept I was what I was and I had OCD.

 

[tripletiger1200]

Just tell yourself the doubt is OCD and be done with it. You don't have to constantly try to deduce and analyze every thought. That is just a waste of time, and you will feel absolutely amazing if you just start to let things go. When I started to do that it felt like I was really alive for the first time in months.

 

[raven1]

I don't know that the doubt is OCD doubt though. It could just be me. I have friends who doubt too but they trust God understands. Scriotures say we have no reason too
There is no excuse if it is regular doubt

 

[cedward1]

But like I said even the disciples didn't have perfect faith. I just don't think it's possible to have 100% certainty about anything. Especially when you have fear that you might be doubting something. The more you seek after Jesus, I think the more your faith will grow. At least that's how it is with me.

 

[raven1]

I used to have perfect faith though so it is possible. I just don't know if he will send to me to hell or not. I can also feel my depression starting to come back with fearing nothing after this I have a daughter. Then I fear hell for fearing no heaven because I am doubting he or heaven exist. I also feel I am not good I am actually bad and that will keep me out of heaven and because I haven't done enough good deeds.

 

[WhereAmI?]

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[raven1]

I know he does that is what scares me one year of praying for more faith and nothing.