Not a Padre Pio fan.

[sneezingleopard]

Not a fan here either. I just didn't like a lot of the quotes, not just these but the Mary bringing people in the back door one. Also, the whole stigmata and reading hearts I'm not sure it is true. They say the stigmata was gone when he died - people who believe in him believe he was cured at death... I tend to think it just never was real. Read rumors he was a bit of a womanizer and basically told to get in line, some believe that some don't ... I don't know but just one more doubt on the list in his regard.

I also tend to question if the Church is actually infallable in the area of naming people as saints. Seems like a popularity contest and politicized. Not saying those people aren't really in heaven (I tend to think you have to be rather rejectful and work hard to be among the condemned), but not sure this process is always guaranteed to give us people worthy of emulating in our faith. There are a lot of wonderful people of faith who aren't held up like this, people that go unrecognized.

well it would seem that you would also have to believe that padre pios doctor and many others were in on the deception then. The doctor and others seem to atleast recognize that there really were wounds on his hands. Critics would say he made the wounds himself. He had these wounds for over fifty years. Then as you say, the wounds disapeared at his death which he prophesied would happen.

There was no trace of scars either. So either the wounds never existed and he just faked it for fifty years with others helping. or the wounds existed but they were self inflicted and there were magically no scars after death. Or the wound were legitimate and he was healed at death. I don't know what happened but I think that over all his character shows him to be a man of god. He brought tons of people into the church.

Most of the comments I read on this thread either like pio or they say they don't know anything about him but based on the quotes they don't like him. Well I think I could find a few quotes like that to post from anyone I have ever met. Surely that doesn't mean that these people are horrible people.

When you really think about it anyway. It's actually kind of hard to say that he really ever said these things. I mean the only two people who were there are pio and the penitent person. No one else can verify the story. I say its safer to just look at his life as a whole and go from there. So what if he said a few harsh things to get people to repent. That is necisary and Jesus did the same thing. JEsus called Peter satan just because peter refused to believe that jesus should be crucified. We all know how that turned out. Praise God for holy people who are willing to help us get on the right path at the expense of being mocked and ridiculed.
In Christ,
Matthew

 

[sneezingleopard]

One last point is that a lot of people are saying bad things about jesus too. They take things he said out of context and say he is sucha horrible person. Luckily the church goes on more than just hearsay when they put people through the long process of canonization.

Also all kinds of people have become saints from all backgrounds. Old, young, different ethnicities, extremely intelligent, those lacking intelligence, women, men, you name it, theirs a saint (not literally). But the point is not to canonize everyone who will be in heaven. The point is to give us someone to relate to on our journey. We are to look at the saints and see that we can do it just like them. Honestly if your everyday catholic was canonized a saint I don't think I would strive to be one. I'd be like "oh if that person made it to heaven then what have I got to worry about?"

Just some stuff to ponder. I'm thinking out loud.
In Christ,
Matthew

 

[ProCommunioneFacior]

Yes, and I would have to say repeating of a unsubstantiated rumor of infidelity to his vocation, is scandalous and one should analyze what the purpose of even saying that was.

 

[JasonV]

Just an FYI, I didn't say that the quotes were representative of who he was as a complete person. But that these few instances I read about didn't make me think much of the guy.

And yes, I'm using modern standards to judge a guy dead for decades. And yes, I'm very liberal. Sue me.

 

[sneezingleopard]

jason, I personally had no problem with your own posts because you've said you are reading about him. I was kind of turned off by how quick people were to judge him based merely on the quotes you presented with there own admitance that they new nothing about him. I guess most people did say they were just judging based on the quotes though.

 

[Rhamiel]

I think sometimes you have to be tough to people

 

[lionroar0]

We are not required to be a fan of any Saint. I'm no fan of St. Agustine nor his writtings.

Peace

 

[nikolayalexandroff]

I can't imagine even Christ Himself being as rude and objectionable as Pio+.

In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers at their business.
And making a whip of cords, he drove them all, with the sheep and oxen, out of the temple; and he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables.
And he told those who sold the pigeons, "Take these things away; you shall not make my Father's house a house of trade." (John 2:14:16).

"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in.
] Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you traverse sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.
"Woe to you, blind guides, who say, `If any one swears by the temple, it is nothing; but if any one swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred?
And you say, `If any one swears by the altar, it is nothing; but if any one swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.'
You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
So he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by everything on it;
and he who swears by the temple, swears by it and by him who dwells in it;
and he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it.
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law, justice and mercy and faith; these you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.
You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel! (Matt. 23:13-24)

Christ never sought to be politically correct.

 

[stephenc]

Christ never sought to be politically correct.

Nope. But notice how he kicked upward at the self-satisfied, and never brushed off anyone genuinely asking for his aid or advice.

 

[HisKid1973]

I am not saying those quotes are the end all and be all of Father Pio, but I wonder whether it's appropriate to call him a Saint.

Remember the capital S saint thing is something that was added and not part of the NT church. Men can and have made mistakes in the past..It is not infallible

 

[HisKid1973]

never brushed off anyone genuinely asking for his aid or advice.[/FONT]

Amen , He was harsh to those who followed the ways of flesh and outward appearances..

 

[WarriorAngel]

We are not required to be a fan of any Saint. I'm no fan of St. Agustine nor his writtings.

Peace

I like St Augustine. I do not like how ppl interpret him.

Nope. But notice how he kicked upward at the self-satisfied, and never brushed off anyone genuinely asking for his aid or advice.

And you can say that Padre Pio didnt do the same?

He was given the gift to read hearts.... which saved many ppl. He turned what was a lukewarm confession into a genuine heartfelt desire to confess and SIN NO MORE.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Padre Pio, Luisa Piccarreta, and the Divine Will Part1
“I had no faith,” he admitted. …. Padre Pio did not expel Abresch from the confessional, but he did make him, as he put it, ‘understand immediately that in my previous confessions I had committed certain mortal sins.’… ‘He concealed his knowledge of my entire past under the form of Questions. He enumerated with precision and clarity all of my faults, even mentioning the number of times I missed Mass!’

In 1926, a year later, Abresch’s wife began to hemorrhage, and doctors diagnosed a tumor in her womb….Amalia Abresch was devastated by the certainty that a hysterectomy would leave her incapable of bearing children, so she went to Padre Pio. He told her not to submit to the knife. After that, the hemorrhages ceased and, although the tumor remained, to her great delight, she conceived and, at the age of nearly forty, gave birth to a son. The boy, who was named Pio, later became a Monsignor.


Padre Pio The Mystic - Poor Souls
The lives of saints and mystics are filled with accounts of God permitting Poor Souls to seek the prayers of the living, whether of family members who may have forgotten them, but usually the holier members of the Church. In Padre Pio's case there was a veritable inundation of souls seeking his prayers and sufferings to be offered to God on their behalf.

The Man - The Franciscan - The Priest
The Mystic - The Saint - Multimedia
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"In order to attract us, the Lord grants us many graces that we believe can easily obtain Heaven for us. We do not know, however, that in order to grow, we need hard bread: the cross, humiliation, trials and denials." ~ Padre Pio

 

[MoNiCa4316]

I like St Augustine. I do not like how ppl interpret him.

I like St. Augustine too..I don't know how people interpret him, LOL.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I like St. Augustine too..I don't know how people interpret him, LOL.

Long story...
Suffice to say, although a Bishop of Hippo and a long standing member of the Catholic Church, and doctor of the Church...
Calvinists claim he was not Catholic and or Catholics do not interpret him as they do, so therefore we must be incorrect.

Another topic really.... but they grossly misalign and misuse his writings.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

Long story...
Suffice to say, although a Bishop of Hippo and a long standing member of the Catholic Church, and doctor of the Church...
Calvinists claim he was not Catholic and or Catholics do not interpret him as they do, so therefore we must be incorrect.

Another topic really.... but they grossly misalign and misuse his writings.

Oh I see what you mean...yes I've ran into that a bit...that kinda bothers me too.

 

[stephenc]

And you can say that Padre Pio didnt do the same?

No, I dunno. I don't know that much about him. I have a hunch priests can get edgy about confessions, though. That seems to me to be human nature.

 

[lionroar0]

I like St Augustine. I do not like how ppl interpret him.

I agree with you 50% percent.

I don't like the way people interpret him either.

I just can't seem to be able to read any of his writtings and not get bored with them. I have tried several times.

Peace

 

[WarriorAngel]

Oh I see what you mean...yes I've ran into that a bit...that kinda bothers me too.

No, I dunno. I don't know that much about him. I have a hunch priests can get edgy about confessions, though. That seems to me to be human nature.

Well, Padre Pio actually probably saved many lukewarm folks becuase he made them fully remember and confess their sins. You really should read about him. He ROCKS!! And was quite extraordinary.

I agree with you 50% percent.

I don't like the way people interpret him either.

I just can't seem to be able to read any of his writtings and not get bored with them. I have tried several times.

Peace

<~~ O I C!!

Well, i read him in paces.... or i would be too.
Good guy, but he had a lot to say.

 

[lionroar0]

<~~ O I C!!

Well, i read him in paces.... or i would be too.
Good guy, but he had a lot to say.

I'll give try reading his writtings again. I will try to pace myself. Right now I'm reading another book.

Peace