None of the Creationists know what theyre talking about

[abbismonster]

It's always the same thing. A creationist will make some topic even though he or she doesnt understand the toe at all, and then get ripped apart. THen a new hit and run poster will make another topic. The basic topic is, that could never happen, that's ridiculous. They dont even make arguments. Sometimes they just state quotes from the bible.

 

[DrunkenWrestler]

Which is why I'm considering leaving. Or at least moving to IIDB.

 

[Lisa0315]

It's always the same thing. A creationist will make some topic even though he or she doesnt understand the toe at all, and then get ripped apart. THen a new hit and run poster will make another topic. The basic topic is, that could never happen, that's ridiculous. They dont even make arguments. Sometimes they just state quotes from the bible.

Okay. Yet, science does not have the complete answer either. Would you agree? I am not a scientist. I do not want a debate for I do not know how God created the universe, yet, I do believe that He did.

 

[Brennin]

It's always the same thing. A creationist will make some topic even though he or she doesnt understand the toe at all, and then get ripped apart. THen a new hit and run poster will make another topic. The basic topic is, that could never happen, that's ridiculous. They dont even make arguments. Sometimes they just state quotes from the bible.

If they didn't, who would the evolutionists argue with?

 

[QubeMaster]

It's always the same thing. A creationist will make some topic even though he or she doesnt understand the toe at all, and then get ripped apart. THen a new hit and run poster will make another topic. The basic topic is, that could never happen, that's ridiculous. They dont even make arguments. Sometimes they just state quotes from the bible.

Sadly, I must concede that there is truth in what you said. I have noticed a lot of Creationists post pointless posts saying that God created the earth in seven days, and leaving it at that.

Sorry, but that's not going to convince anyone. If Christians want to defend their faiths, search on different web pages, get your info, and then post a response.

I'm a Christian, but I cannot stand to see another one post an evidence-less (??) post and expect anyone to believe it. Now, granted the Bible has to be ultimately accepted by faith, but that does not mean you should quote Scripture and expect an Atheist/non-Christian to simply say "Gee, the Bible is infallible. That clears that up."

By the way, I admire it when a person on either side can admit it when they don't know something. That shows character.

 

[Lisa0315]

Sorry, but that's not going to convince anyone. If Christians want to defend their faiths, search on different web pages, get your info, and then post a response.

But Creation vs Evolution has very little to do with our faith. Our faith is in Christ Jesus, not in how the universe was created. How God created the universe is of little consequence. I believe the Bible, but I lean towards having an open mind that the Genesis account of creation is a synopsis of what actually occurred. There are just a thousand explanations as to how it is possible that both are right.

 

[SackLunch]

Okay. Yet, science does not have the complete answer either. Would you agree? I am not a scientist. I do not want a debate for I do not know how God created the universe, yet, I do believe that He did.

 

[AnEmpiricalAgnostic]

It's always the same thing. A creationist will make some topic even though he or she doesnt understand the toe at all, and then get ripped apart. THen a new hit and run poster will make another topic. The basic topic is, that could never happen, that's ridiculous. They dont even make arguments. Sometimes they just state quotes from the bible.

It’s nice to see that the lurkers have a good handle on what’s going on around here at least.

 

[SackLunch]

It's always the same thing. A creationist will make some topic even though he or she doesnt understand the toe at all, and then get ripped apart. THen a new hit and run poster will make another topic. The basic topic is, that could never happen, that's ridiculous. They dont even make arguments. Sometimes they just state quotes from the bible.

I think this is so funny.

Let's just all take a step back and admit that we do the very things we accuse others of. This forum would be far better if people didn't resort to personal attacks, baiting, namecalling, and character assasinations. If you can bear the agony of addressing people's questions no matter how "idiotic" they may seem, perhaps we can all learn something. But getting jumped on and having your name smeared around this forum for no good reason ain't exactly a slice of German Chocolate cake. So naturally this kind of thing will cause hit and runs, because Creationists know this forum and can easily predict the outcome.

Can we have a civil debate around here? Just state your case in a civil, non-offensive manner objectively? Can it be accomplished people?

 

[Ozymandius]

I think this is so funny.

Can we have a civil debate around here? Just state your case in a civil,
non-offensive manner objectively? Can it be accomplished people?

Why don't you check threads where you received comprehensive responses to your posts, but never responded. That would be just about all of your threads. A real debate requires you to respond, even if it only took the "evolutionists" one or two posts to make your or your source look silly.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I think this is so funny.

Let's just all take a step back and admit that we do the very things we accuse others of. This forum would be far better if people didn't resort to personal attacks, baiting, namecalling, and character assasinations.

Well, if we can do away with the trolling, spamming, quotemining, willful ignorance, hit-and-run postings, and persecution complexes, perhaps we could accomplish much.

If you can bear the agony of addressing people's questions no matter how "idiotic" they may seem, perhaps we can all learn something.

Except that the most "idiotic" posters are the ones who don't want their questions answered. Having loaded up on PRATTs from some Creationist website, they come on down to play their own little game of "Stump the evos" and refuse to sit still long enough to learn where their premises are mistaken.

The worst of it, they start about a half-dozen threads, most of them variations of the same wrong theme, and never stick around long before moving on -- often just long enough to declare themselves victorious.

But getting jumped on and having your name smeared around this forum for no good reason ain't exactly a slice of German Chocolate cake.

99% of the time, it's self-inflicted.

So naturally this kind of thing will cause hit and runs, because Creationists know this forum and can easily predict the outcome.

Because they are pretty predictable themselves. PRATTs got that name for a reason, you know.

Can we have a civil debate around here? Just state your case in a civil, non-offensive manner objectively? Can it be accomplished people?

Find me a Creationist willing to do so; we'll give it a shot.

 

[Viola_Strange]

I don't see how anyone could deny evolution. I also don't get why the two are seperate. Creationism and Evolution? Darwin didn't seperate them. He never denied the existence of God. He didn't prove it, but the existence of God doesn't hinge on proof the way science does. What evolution does prove is that there is some "intelligent design" (to borrow one of the creationist's favorite terms) in the cosmos out there and that all things are connected, and not just random occurances.

"Me, I believe in Creationism and Evolution. I believe that God created us in his image, but I also believe that God is a monkey."

 

[madarab]

Random Bible Verse...

1 Corinth 3:8... "Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour." KJV

 

[Lisa0315]

Random Bible Verse...

1 Corinth 3:8... "Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour." KJV

Love that verse! Thanks!

 

[SackLunch]

I don't see how anyone could deny evolution. I also don't get why the two are seperate. Creationism and Evolution? Darwin didn't seperate them. He never denied the existence of God. He didn't prove it, but the existence of God doesn't hinge on proof the way science does. What evolution does prove is that there is some "intelligent design" (to borrow one of the creationist's favorite terms) in the cosmos out there and that all things are connected, and not just random occurances.

The debate hinges on the notion that evolution presupposes there is no God. Evolutionary science is undertaken with the idea that God is absent from Creation. For example, if I am evolutionary scientist X, I will go about trying to explain how the human brain developed by random mutations and natural selection rather than simply saying it was created by God and let's examine it from there.

In my studies I've found that because of this contradiction, it cannot be both. But that's just my personal opinion, no attacks please.

 

[Nightson]

The debate hinges on the notion that evolution presupposes there is no God. Evolutionary science is undertaken with the idea that God is absent from Creation. For example, if I am evolutionary scientist X, I will go about trying to explain how the human brain developed by random mutations and natural selection rather than simply saying it was created by God and let's examine it from there.

In my studies I've found that because of this contradiction, it cannot be both. But that's just my personal opinion, no attacks please.

Lightning, changing of day and night, changing of the seasons, sickness, etc.

All of these were once expalined by god(s)didit, do these "presuppose" that there is no God?

 

[DrunkenWrestler]

Newton's theory of gravitation presupposes that God is not keeping the planets together, but explain the phenomenon using mundane everyday explanations rather than invoking the supernatural. For example, if I am Newtonian scientist X, I will go about trying to explain how the the planets move using the law of gravitation rather than saying "Goddidit" and examining it from there.

SackLunch, this is the third time that I've seen you make this argument. Do you even stick around to read the rebuttals? Do you pretend they don't exist? Do you skip the post if you see your name quoted?

 

[USincognito]

But Creation vs Evolution has very little to do with our faith. Our faith is in Christ Jesus, not in how the universe was created.

How wonderfully refreshing to see this statement that far to infrequently is posted here. Believe it or not, but there are many of your fellow Christians and non-Christians who feel exactly the same way. Even non-Christians understand that Chrisitanity is predicated on man's relationship with God and the need for salvation through Jesus - not on whether whales were created on day 5 of the literal creation week.

How God created the universe is of little consequence.

Evolution doesn't address Cosmology, Astrophysics and is only tangentally related to Geology via Paleontology.

I believe the Bible, but I lean towards having an open mind that the Genesis account of creation is a synopsis of what actually occurred. There are just a thousand explanations as to how it is possible that both are right.

Exactly. I'm to the point where I don't even bother arguing against OECs these days. My concern is with YECism which, in a nutshell, says we cannot believe our own eyes in what we learn about the Earth being older than 6,009 years old and all species suddenly appearing.

Life on Earth could be the result of abiogenesis, panspermia, fiat creation by God or any other deity or be nothing more than an experiment by hyperdimensional highschoolers - but that wouldn't invalidate evolution having occured.

Similarly sin could be a concept that entered humans after a certain point of evolution, something preprogrammed for us to have had a free will choice about or have resulted from a literal Adam and Eve in Eden eating from the Tree of Knowledge.

None of these options, as does the origin options above, effect the central message of the issue at hand.

 

[Illuminatus]

SackLunch, this is the third time that I've seen you make this argument. Do you even stick around to read the rebuttals? Do you pretend they don't exist? Do you skip the post if you see your name quoted?

I like to pretend that SackLunch doesn't exist. Unfortunately, much like a nagging cough, or fleas, he's extremely difficult to ignore.

 

[Nathan Poe]

The debate hinges on the notion that evolution presupposes there is no God.

Which is absolutely false, given the Theistic Evolutionists who presuppose that God worked within natural laws to create life.

Evolutionary science is undertaken with the idea that God is absent from Creation.

Also false, for the same reason.

For example, if I am evolutionary scientist X, I will go about trying to explain how the human brain developed by random mutations and natural selection rather than simply saying it was created by God and let's examine it from there.

Would you "simply" say that it was created by God through random mutations and natural selection?

In my studies I've found that because of this contradiction, it cannot be both. But that's just my personal opinion, no attacks please.

No attacks, just noting that your opinion is based on some incorrect premises about science.