Non-MJ wanting to do a Passover meal.

[KingsK.H.R.R.S]

I grew up culturally Christian. My earliest memories of Easter was Easter baskets, egg hunts, and chocolate. The fact that Jesus rose from the dead was just the excuse to indulge in all of the other stuff Easter is known for. Now as a devout believer, I want to create an environment for my children to “live” the biblical story and to try to make Easter as big as or bigger than Christmas.

I am not a Messianic Jew but I do believe that historic Christianity has lost much of its foundation by abandoning its Jewish heritage and anytime I can help my family make connections back to the roots of our Messiah I want to do it. We are going to start having a Passover meal (NOT a Seder) on Good Friday (regardless of when Passover is on the Jewish calendar) so that we can experience what little bit we can about what the Exodus could have been like for the Hebrew people, to connect Jesus’ last supper to the Passover, and to have my children understand that Jesus died on Good Friday and that the Sabbath before Easter Sunday can be one of anticipation of our Lord’s resurrection.

Here’s the menu: Traeger smoked lamb leg with horseradish sauce, unleavened garlic parsley flatbread, and a “bitter herb” salad consisting of romaine lettuce, endives, and radicchio.

Just felt like sharing and also while I’m not MJ I would love to hear your thoughts on this idea. I think that if I was invited to an actual Seder by a MJ it could be one of the highlights of my year.

 

[HARK!]

I think that it's wonderful to introduce your children to Pesach as YHWH commands.

Pesach was a gateway to my observance of all of YHWH's Moedim.

When I first started, I had Matzah a wine on the fourteenth day of the first month, according to the Hillel II calendar. I was really rather clueless about what I was doing; but I've improved through practice.

Why not honor his day on the day that he commanded?

In my estimation, Pesach lines up with the Hillel II calendar this year.

 

[KingsK.H.R.R.S]

Why not honor his day on the day that he commanded?

In my estimation, Pesach lines up with the Hillel II calendar this year.

Sometimes the calendars are different and Passover happens on a different weekend than Easter. To avoid confusion in little kids and to highlight the event as the Resurrection of the Messiah I want to try to do it the same weekend as Easter so my children can understand the timeline better. To be exact we'd probably need to have the dinner on Thursday sundown but then I kind of like keeping the Gospel of John theme where the Messiah was killed the same time as the Passover lambs for symbolism reasons. That means Friday sundown dinner.

 

[HARK!]

Sometimes the calendars are different and Passover happens on a different weekend than Easter. To avoid confusion in little kids and to highlight the event as the Resurrection of the Messiah I want to try to do it the same weekend as Easter so my children can understand the timeline better. To be exact we'd probably need to have the dinner on Thursday sundown but then I kind of like keeping the Gospel of John theme where the Messiah was killed the same time as the Passover lambs for symbolism reasons. That means Friday sundown dinner.

Eusebius' Life of Constantine, Book 3 chapter 18 records Constantine the Great as writing:

"... it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast we should follow the practice of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin, and are, therefore, deservedly afflicted with blindness of soul. ... Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way."


Theodoret’s Ecclesiastical History 1.9 records The Epistle of the Emperor Constantine, concerning the matters transacted at the Council, addressed to those Bishops who were not present:

“It was, in the first place, declared improper to follow the custom of the Jews in the celebration of this holy festival, because, their hands having been stained with crime, the minds of these wretched men are necessarily blinded. … Let us, then, have nothing in common with the Jews, who are our adversaries. … avoiding all contact with that evil way. … who, after having compassed the death of the Lord, being out of their minds, are guided not by sound reason, but by an unrestrained passion, wherever their innate madness carries them. … a people so utterly depraved. … Therefore, this irregularity must be corrected, in order that we may no more have any thing in common with those parricides and the murderers of our Lord. … no single point in common with the perjury of the Jews.”



Philip Schaff's History of the Christian Church, volume 3, section 79, The Time of the Easter Festival states:

"The feast of the resurrection was thenceforth required to be celebrated everywhere on a Sunday, and never on the day of the Jewish passover, but always after the fourteenth of Nisan, on the Sunday after the first vernal full moon. The leading motive for this regulation was opposition to Judaism, which had dishonored the passover by the crucifixion of the Lord. ... At Nicaea, therefore, the Roman and Alexandrian usage with respect to Easter triumphed, and the Judaizing practice of the Quartodecimanians, who always celebrated Passover on the fourteenth of Nisan, became thenceforth a heresy. Yet that practice continued in many parts of the East, and in the time of Epiphanius, about a.d. 400, there were many, Quartodecimanians, who, as he says, were orthodox, indeed, in doctrine, but in ritual were addicted to Jewish fables, and built upon the principle: “Cursed is every one who does not keep his passover on the fourteenth of Nisan.”

I could go into much more depth regarding the is subject; but as you are new to this; I don't want to overwhelm you.

Will you be discussing the story of the Exodus with your children?

(CLV) Ex 12:26
And it will come to be when your sons are saying to you: What is this service to you?

(CLV) Ex 12:27
then you will say: It is the sacrifice of passover to Yahweh, Who passed over on the houses of the sons of Israel in Egypt, when He struck the Egyptians, yet our households He rescued. So the people bowed their heads and bowed themselves down.

We don't leave our house after the fourteenth at sundown, until the morning of the fifteenth.

We read the Passover story of Moses, that was. Then we discuss how that relates to our Passover in Yahshua which is; and we also discuss the Passover of Yah's people, which is to come, in the end times.

 

[KingsK.H.R.R.S]

Eusebius' Life of Constantine, Book 3 chapter 18 records Constantine the Great as writing:

"... it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast we should follow the practice of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin, and are, therefore, deservedly afflicted with blindness of soul. ... Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way."


Theodoret’s Ecclesiastical History 1.9 records The Epistle of the Emperor Constantine, concerning the matters transacted at the Council, addressed to those Bishops who were not present:

“It was, in the first place, declared improper to follow the custom of the Jews in the celebration of this holy festival, because, their hands having been stained with crime, the minds of these wretched men are necessarily blinded. … Let us, then, have nothing in common with the Jews, who are our adversaries. … avoiding all contact with that evil way. … who, after having compassed the death of the Lord, being out of their minds, are guided not by sound reason, but by an unrestrained passion, wherever their innate madness carries them. … a people so utterly depraved. … Therefore, this irregularity must be corrected, in order that we may no more have any thing in common with those parricides and the murderers of our Lord. … no single point in common with the perjury of the Jews.”



Philip Schaff's History of the Christian Church, volume 3, section 79, The Time of the Easter Festival states:

"The feast of the resurrection was thenceforth required to be celebrated everywhere on a Sunday, and never on the day of the Jewish passover, but always after the fourteenth of Nisan, on the Sunday after the first vernal full moon. The leading motive for this regulation was opposition to Judaism, which had dishonored the passover by the crucifixion of the Lord. ... At Nicaea, therefore, the Roman and Alexandrian usage with respect to Easter triumphed, and the Judaizing practice of the Quartodecimanians, who always celebrated Passover on the fourteenth of Nisan, became thenceforth a heresy. Yet that practice continued in many parts of the East, and in the time of Epiphanius, about a.d. 400, there were many, Quartodecimanians, who, as he says, were orthodox, indeed, in doctrine, but in ritual were addicted to Jewish fables, and built upon the principle: “Cursed is every one who does not keep his passover on the fourteenth of Nisan.”

I could go into much more depth regarding the is subject; but as you are new to this; I don't want to overwhelm you.

Will you be discussing the story of the Exodus with your children?

(CLV) Ex 12:26
And it will come to be when your sons are saying to you: What is this service to you?

(CLV) Ex 12:27
then you will say: It is the sacrifice of passover to Yahweh, Who passed over on the houses of the sons of Israel in Egypt, when He struck the Egyptians, yet our households He rescued. So the people bowed their heads and bowed themselves down.

We don't leave our house after the fourteenth at sundown, until the morning of the fifteenth.

We read the Passover story of Moses, that was. Then we discuss how that relates to our Passover in Yahshua which is; and we also discuss the Passover of Yah's people, which is to come, in the end times.

I promise you won't overwhelm me. The Gospel accounts themselves say that Jesus resurrected on a Sunday, Matthew 28:1 even says so. While I am not a Messianic Jew, nor do I believe that Gentiles grafted into Abraham's family are bound by Torah, I do find great wisdom in having a spiritual practice of a Sabbath. So having a meal on Good Friday, with the Sabbath as a day to look forward to Easter Sunday will be something special for my family.

Yes, we will discuss the Exodus and how Jesus took the passover meal and made it about his work on the Cross.

Your quotes from the early church regarding their opinions on Jews is actually distasteful to me. I think, while theological differences are understandable, those opinions were a great mistake and caused a massive loss in Jewish interpretive thought and tradition of the New Testament that by the grace of God I'm alive at a time where Hebrew studies from a Christian lense is gaining ground academically.

 

[HARK!]

The Gospel accounts themselves say that Jesus resurrected on a Sunday, Matthew 28:1 even says so.

Some translations say Sunday; but that is not what it says in the Greek.

(CLV) Mt 28:1
Now it is the evening of the sabbaths. At the lighting up into one of the sabbaths came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to behold the sepulcher.

In both cases the Greek word σαββατων, sabbatOn is used. It means "stopping."

By studying YHWH's eternal Moedim, we are provided with clues as to when Yahshua was risen, and the significance of the timing. Friday during daylight hours (if we want to count the day he was executed as a day) to Sunday (Saturday night) during nighttime hours is not 3 days and 3 nights.

 

[KingsK.H.R.R.S]

Some translations say Sunday; but that is not what it says in the Greek.

(CLV) Mt 28:1
Now it is the evening of the sabbaths. At the lighting up into one of the sabbaths came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to behold the sepulcher.

In both cases the Greek word σαββατων, sabbatOn is used. It means "stopping."

By studying YHWH's eternal Moedim, we are provided with clues as to when Yahshua was risen, and the significance of the timing. Friday during daylight hours (if we want to count the day he was executed as a day) to Sunday (Saturday night) during nighttime hours is not 3 days and 3 nights.

I actually have 1 year of Greek! I did not make this post to debate the days and timing of stuff, however. While I disagree with your interpretive method, specifically adding punctuation and altering some Koine grammar to make it fit what you are wanting it to say, I DO appreciate that you have a fire for YHWH and want to do right by Him. May Ha Shem bless you, friend.

 

[HARK!]

I actually have 1 year of Greek! I did not make this post to debate the days and timing of stuff, however. While I disagree with your interpretive method, specifically adding punctuation and altering some Koine grammar to make it fit what you are wanting it to say, I DO appreciate that you have a fire for YHWH and want to do right by Him. May Ha Shem bless you, friend.

I must concede that I have not studied Greek to any notable depth. I do however have a strong background in math.

I didn't intend to spur debate. I simply wanted to point out the value in studying YHWH's Moedim, appointments, rehearsals.

I applaud you for taking these first steps with your family.