Non-Messianic Posters

[xDenax]

I think Messianics are Judaism believers in Yeshua

huh?

 

[Zeek]

I have noticed a degree of paranoia on the various forums on this site..sometimes even the vaguest whisper of a personal idea/testimony/teaching is jumped upon in a very 'in your face' challenging way, that is off-putting and unfriendly.

I think some people take it to the extreme, rather than making anyone welcome, they are on the look-out for any nuance of breaking the Holy 10 commandments of posting. The fact is that it doesn't take rocket-science to work out in a very short time who is genuine and who is just in it for laughs or criticism, and IMO it would be more helpful to give people the benefit of the doubt initially, rather than waggling an accusing finger in their face at the earliest opportunity.

Chavak...you may be non-Messianic in the way it is stated here...but in a wider sense, all Jews are Messianic, it is just that many do not yet recognise Yeshua as the Messiah spoken of in the Tenakh.

 

[cupid dave]

Because I honor the Messianic Only tag, I did not respond to Steve's thread regarding non-Messianic posters. I will post my thoughts here and anyone is welcome to add to them and give their views.

If Jews are not wanted here, simply say so. I left another forum recently when it was made clear by the forum owner I was not wanted there (although I was not told directly "get out", it was very evident from the post). A shame because I was enjoying it. But I don't go where I'm not wanted.

It seems to me the non-Messianics here are helping to keep this forum alive. Most people left for a different forum, and if you want to keep this
place going, you need people to post here. Why chase off people who don't cause problems (at least not intentionally, anyway)?
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My condolences.
I too have run into self righteous authoritative people who are intolerant of other views on the bible than they, themselves hold.
I am always amused, though, when it is clear they do not like the apparently too good points I make which go against the grain of their ideas.

Christians seem to forget that was exactly the thing that the early christians experienced.
In fact, it is their complaint against the Jews of 32AD that they condemn Judaism for the crucifixion.

The crucifixion was because of this all so common trend by religious people, in general, to attack others who have a different take, one that sound better than their own maybe.

But the attempt at censorship is diametrical opposed to Jesus who stated that he, himself, personified The Truth.

How could a supposed christian silence others when it was in the name of Truth that they proselytized the whole Roman world and preached the gospel over all the nations?

Hypocrites act like that.


I was censored for merely asking how Bible readers respond to the one to one correlation between what Elijah had done in 800BC, and what Jesus seems to have replicated in 32AD.


I mean, verse against verse, there is an undeniable duplication in the scriptures.

Why????




1) Both Elijah and Christ raised the dead:

1 Kings 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the Passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

2) Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal:

2 Kings 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

3) Both Elijah and Christ ascended into Heaven before witnesses:

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
12 And Elisha saw it.

Luke 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven

4) Both Elijah and Christ troubled Israel:

1 Kings 18:17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel?

Matthew 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

5) Both Elijah and Christ were threatened by the authorities with death:

1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I even I only am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

John 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death

6) Both Elijah and Christ were hunted by the Jewish authorities:

1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

John 7:25 ] Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?

7) Both Elijah and Christ hid in a cave/tomb:

1 Kings 19:9 And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

8) Both Elijah and Christ pondered in the wilderness 40 days and forty nights:

1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God

Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.


plenty more, too...

 

[Lotuspetal_uk]

Sigh.....me too. We used to have terrific conversations back in the "old" days...when things were much more open. I think we actually have much less strife and issues then than we do now.

Yep, absolutely - I know I sound like an old record by reminiscing but those days were fun.

Hopefully that is not true.

I hope not too. Apart from CF, offline I know only one Jewish person and technically she may not be one, as it was only her father who was Jewish. All that I have come to learn has come from yourselves who are Jewish and post here (both Messianic of Jewish origin and Jewish) - the sites you've recommended, the insights you've provided. I am indeed a student when I'm in this part of the forum. So it does hurt a little when one reads a user saying "ban all of them" as though we are all lumped together as criminals.

 

[Lotuspetal_uk]

I can say this is how I feel about blocking our regular posters, no matter their faith icon:

NOOOOOOOOOOOO! Say it isn't so!

Amen! But we weed out the troublemakers using their IP addresses if necessary.

 

[MessianicMommy]

oh heck yeah.

 

[visionary]

My condolences.
I too have run into self righteous authoritative people who are intolerant of other views on the bible than they, themselves hold.
I am always amused, though, when it is clear they do not like the apparently too good points I make which go against the grain of their ideas.

Christians seem to forget that was exactly the thing that the early christians experienced.
In fact, it is their complaint against the Jews of 32AD that they condemn Judaism for the crucifixion.

The crucifixion was because of this all so common trend by religious people, in general, to attack others who have a different take, one that sound better than their own maybe.

But the attempt at censorship is diametrical opposed to Jesus who stated that he, himself, personified The Truth.

How could a supposed christian silence others when it was in the name of Truth that they proselytized the whole Roman world and preached the gospel over all the nations?

Hypocrites act like that.


I was censored for merely asking how Bible readers respond to the one to one correlation between what Elijah had done in 800BC, and what Jesus seems to have replicated in 32AD.


I mean, verse against verse, there is an undeniable duplication in the scriptures.

Why????




1) Both Elijah and Christ raised the dead:

1 Kings 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the Passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

2) Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal:

2 Kings 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

3) Both Elijah and Christ ascended into Heaven before witnesses:

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
12 And Elisha saw it.

Luke 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven

4) Both Elijah and Christ troubled Israel:

1 Kings 18:17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel?

Matthew 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

5) Both Elijah and Christ were threatened by the authorities with death:

1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I even I only am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

John 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death

6) Both Elijah and Christ were hunted by the Jewish authorities:

1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

John 7:25 ] Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?

7) Both Elijah and Christ hid in a cave/tomb:

1 Kings 19:9 And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

8) Both Elijah and Christ pondered in the wilderness 40 days and forty nights:

1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God

Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.


plenty more, too...

Those are some very interesting parallels.

 

[Huram Abi]

Because I honor the Messianic Only tag, I did not respond to Steve's thread regarding non-Messianic posters. I will post my thoughts here and anyone is welcome to add to them and give their views.

If Jews are not wanted here, simply say so. I left another forum recently when it was made clear by the forum owner I was not wanted there (although I was not told directly "get out", it was very evident from the post). A shame because I was enjoying it. But I don't go where I'm not wanted.

Personally, I enjoy the interactions with others outside my faith. I try to be respectful and stay within the rules, but yeah I probably do stray outside of them on occasion.

It seems to me the non-Messianics here are helping to keep this forum alive. Most people left for a different forum, and if you want to keep this
place going, you need people to post here. Why chase off people who don't cause problems (at least not intentionally, anyway)?

And to be honest Steve, you haven't been around in a long time, and you don't post much. Why is this issue now being brought up? Do you view this as a problem that keeps you from fully participating in the forum?

I agree with you Lulav about the issue of Palestinians and Muslims....and Yonah, it's not a suggestion that we leave. It's being thrown out. Which is okay, people here have the right to do with forum as they see fit.

As a non-messianic poster, I think that thast messianics should be more welcoming but I understand when non messianics want to come in with their own agendas and aren't really interested in discussing things relevant to the forum, that they should be banned.

There is an unorthodox forum for a reason.

 

[visionary]

I have noticed a degree of paranoia on the various forums on this site..sometimes even the vaguest whisper of a personal idea/testimony/teaching is jumped upon in a very 'in your face' challenging way, that is off-putting and unfriendly.

I think some people take it to the extreme, rather than making anyone welcome, they are on the look-out for any nuance of breaking the Holy 10 commandments of posting. The fact is that it doesn't take rocket-science to work out in a very short time who is genuine and who is just in it for laughs or criticism, and IMO it would be more helpful to give people the benefit of the doubt initially, rather than waggling an accusing finger in their face at the earliest opportunity.

Chavak...you may be non-Messianic in the way it is stated here...but in a wider sense, all Jews are Messianic, it is just that many do not yet recognise Yeshua as the Messiah spoken of in the Tenakh.

I agree...Everyone has to start somewhere.. be a helping hand...

 

[Avodat]

I have noticed a degree of paranoia on the various forums on this site..sometimes even the vaguest whisper of a personal idea/testimony/teaching is jumped upon in a very 'in your face' challenging way, that is off-putting and unfriendly.

I think some people take it to the extreme, rather than making anyone welcome, they are on the look-out for any nuance of breaking the Holy 10 commandments of posting. The fact is that it doesn't take rocket-science to work out in a very short time who is genuine and who is just in it for laughs or criticism, and IMO it would be more helpful to give people the benefit of the doubt initially, rather than waggling an accusing finger in their face at the earliest opportunity.

Chavak...you may be non-Messianic in the way it is stated here...but in a wider sense, all Jews are Messianic, it is just that many do not yet recognise Yeshua as the Messiah spoken of in the Tenakh.

Had you been here earlier this year (or even late last year)*, you would have heard almost everyone on these fora clamouring for much tighter controls on newbies and, in particular, those like Phaedron who, within a couple of posts, suddenly change their icon to either escape the rules or to blast us.
It was clear from all the troubles we went through that it was down to posters here to be active in pointing newbies to the SoP in the first instance. It is all well and good for certain posters, and for you, to cry 'FOUL', but this is what we are supposed to be doing where posters a) suddenly change their icon or b) suddenly attack us. One poster on here, not too long ago, tried the softly, softly path that that same poster now advocates - and we entered into a very long and very difficult time because the newbie was told it was OK to change the icon to xxxxxx so they could post what they wanted! I have had Staff sending me PM's or Reps suggesting that certain newbies be reported - long before I have it thought it necessary, as well as invites to be a Mod (which I have declined)! We are meant to be pro-active in this - not passive! Passivity has led to most of the problems on here in the year I have been here - this is why a number of posters jump when a newbie starts to attack us or flips between icons. An understanding of what we have been through and the many Staff who have tried to sort out the problems (up to 5 at one point, I believe) and how close we have been to this forum imploding, will give you an indication of why things are as they are, and why a number of posters left and then returned a few months ago, frustrated at the inaction of suggested attempts to clean up the Messianic fora by ridding us of the problems caused by newbies, though most have now returned.

* I assume you were not since you seem not to be aware of what we have been through

 

[Steve Petersen]

We've seen this list. And when we categorize them, they are found to be insufficient to support your claim in all respects.


1) NOT ACTUALLY MIRACLES

Both Elijah and Jesus disappeared from the foot of a mountain.
Both Elijah and Jesus troubled Israel.
Both Elijah and Jesus were hunted down by the Jewish authorities.
Both Elijah and Jesus hid in a cave/tomb.
Both Elijah and Jesus pondered in the wilderness 40 days.
Both Elijah and Jesus appointed a successor.
Both were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter

These are not miracles or miraculous. They can be fulfilled by any regular mortal. Mohammad, for example, fulfilled most if not all of these. By this standard, Mohammad is also Elijah.

Also, Jesus never hid in a cave. You know this and you are lying about it.


2) POSSIBLE MIRACLES, BUT VERY LOOSE TO ABSOLUTELY ZERO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT TO VERIFY THEM (Not Biblical/ Contextually Misleading)

Both Elijah and Jesus were immortal.
Both Elijah and Jesus walked on the water.
Both Elijah and Jesus raised the dead.

Both wrote letters to people on Earth after they had ascended.
Both Elijah and Jesus had miraculous births.
Both asked that the this "cup" be taken from them.
Both gave a successor the power to raise the dead.
Both destroyed the pagan worshippers and priests, one Baal, the other, the Pantheon of Rome.


As a matter of how loosely one wants to interpret the first three, what actually transpired only has the slightest resemblance. Elijah did not walk on water in the same way Jesus did. He parted the Jordan and walked on dry ground, just as Moses and Joshua had. Elijah did not raise the dead. God did, at Elijah's pleading.

The last five are simply not scriptural whatsover. It would be quite interesting to hear what scripture you think supports that Elijah asked that "this cup" be taken from him or what letter he wrote after being taken by whirlwind. And the circumstance of Elijah's birth is not given in scripture.


These are 100% fabrications on your part, demonstrating that you still have not been able to overcome your pathological tendancy to lie.


3) ACTUAL MIRACLES (though repeated by several people in the bible and not restricted to Jesus and Elijah, solely)

Both multiplied the meal for many people they feed in the crowd.
Both Elijah and Jesus ascended into Heaven.

But these are not unique to only Jesus and Elijah. Moses fed the masses with manna. Is he Elijah? Enoch, as well as Paul, were taken into heaven also. Is Enoch also Elijah? Is Paul the Christ? Of course not.

Likewise, there is no compelling reason to think that Jesus was Elijah, especially since it is made clear several times, including by Jesus, himself, and the angel Gabriel that John the Baptist is Elijah.



The truth is that you don't make good points, you make up science or scripture on a whim and expect that your reader is too stupid to know better. You get censored because you hijack threads and post things in the wrong discussion category and when you are asked repeatedly to stop, you bletently disrespect the mods, even after several warnings. You can't just switch your icon to messianic jew and expect your can post heresies in the forum and try to impose your veiw as if it actually belongs there without repurcussions.

Maybe you would have better luck if you weren't constantly caught in the middle of a lie or you should at least make sure that your lying in relevant to the discussion. Does your post about Elijah belong in this thread?

No. It doesn't.

THAT is why you get censored.

From the CF Forum Rules/Terms of Service:

Congregational Forum Restrictions, Christian Only Forums, and Off-Topic posts

Do not teach or debate in any Congregational Forum unless you are truly a member and share its core beliefs and teachings. Questions and fellowship are allowed, proselytizing is not.

 

[visionary]

...<snip>...

Please refrain...

 

[Clare73]

Most are Gentiles, but they prefer not to be called Christians.

How sad. It was the name given in the NT to followers of Jesus.

 

[Steve Petersen]

How sad. It was the name given in the NT to followers of Jesus.

Yeah, by their detractors.

If Christians weren't so notorious historically for antinomiamism, antisemitism, supercessionism and replacementism, I guess I wouldn't mind being called a Christian.

 

[aniello]

How sad. It was the name given in the NT to followers of Jesus.

No, really? My read of the Book of Acts gave me the idea it was first called "The Way" or something like that.

You wouldn't be teaching or correcting us here, would you?

Ahem. No, no, it couldn't be that.

 

[cupid dave]

Those are some very interesting parallels.

Yes, they are parallel scriptures.

Many would be censors might respond to this observation, insisting that drawing Christian attention to them ought be banned.

But for people who understand Jesus to have said, I am the Truth, it seem fair to wonder why the New Testament would seem to write identical scriptures in some cases:

1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God

Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.


... and in this similar set of two verses that say the same thing, with little or no apparent reason for such repetition:



Both Elijah and Christ were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.


2 Kings 2:2 I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel
2 Kings 2:4 I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho
2 Kings 2:6 I will not leave thee. And they two went on



John 21:15 When they had eaten, Jesus said to Simon Peter, Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these
16 Again He said to him the second time, Simon, son of John, do you love Me...
17 He said to him the third time, Simon, son of John, do you love Me...




...and other 24 sets of verses which are essentially saying the same thing as found in the Old Testament about Elijah, they seem to warrant discussion.

What I find is certain leaders amonst the church people want this under the rug.

Why?
What does this repetitiuous behavior in 32AD mean????

 

[Clare73]

I was censored for merely asking how Bible readers respond to the one to one correlation between what Elijah had done in 800BC, and what Jesus seems to have replicated in 32AD.

I mean, verse against verse, there is an undeniable duplication in the scriptures.

Why????

Well, you do realize, right, that some of your reporting is not accurate here?

2) Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal:
Christ's body, like ours, was not immortal.
His body died.

Christ's spirit, like everyone's spirit is immortal, does not cease to exist, and was reunited with his body,
as yours and mine will be at the end of time.

7) Both Elijah and Christ hid in a cave/tomb:

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Christ did not hide in a cave/tomb.
Christ's dead body was buried in a tomb.

plenty more, too...

Well, did Elijah create all things?

Did he atone for the sin of God's people?

Is he the mediator of a New Covenant in his own blood?

Is he the new eternal High Priest in the order of Melchizedek?

Did he forgive sin?

Did he give law as God gave law?

Was he sinless, keeping the Law perfectly?

The duplications list is superficial and insignificant.
Both of them also ate, drank, bathed, wore sandals, loin cloths, washed their hands, etc., etc., etc., but it doesn't mean anything.

 

[Clare73]

Yeah, by their detractors.

Well, it is certainly apropos, don't you think?

Christ = anointed.
Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit (Mt 3:16).
Christians also have the anointing (1Jn 2:20, 27), for God has anointed us in Christ (2Co 1:21).

Peter says we should praise God that we bear that name (1Pe 4:16).

It seems the Word of God has a different view of the name "Christian" than you do.

You might want to take your view of that name from God's Word written rather than from the perceived failures of those who claim it.

 

[cupid dave]

Well, you do realize, right, that some of your reporting is not accurate here?

2) Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal:
Christ's body, like ours, was not immortal.
His body died.

Christ's spirit, like everyone's spirit is immortal, does not cease to exist, and was reunited with his body,
as yours and mine will be at the end of time.


Christ did not hide in a cave/tomb.
Christ's dead body was buried in a tomb.


Well, did Elijah create all things?

Did he atone for the sin of God's people?

Is he the mediator of a New Covenant in his own blood?

Is he the new eternal High Priest in the order of Melchizedek?

Did he forgive sin?

Did he give law as God gave law?

Was he sinless, keeping the Law perfectly?

The duplications list is superficial and insignificant.
Both of them also ate, drank, bathed, wore sandals, loin cloths, washed their hands, etc., etc., etc., but it doesn't mean anything.

Those things would all be interesting and make for lively discussion.
But my understanding here, in this thread, that we are restrained from such debates and commentary.

I am merely presenting scripture from 1Kings which bears strange resemblance to scrioture, of then almost identical, fom the New Testament.

For instance, these passages seem to parallel one another:


Both Elijah and Christ asked that the job be taken away from them:

Kings 19:4 But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O LORD, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt


Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other:

1 Kings 19:19 So he departed thence, and found Elisha the son of Shaphat, who was plowing with twelve yoke of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth: and Elijah passed by him, and cast his mantle upon him.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven



Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor the power to heal:

2 Kings 5:10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean. Then he went down and dipped himself seven times in the Jordan, as the man of God had said, and his flesh was restored like that of a little child, and he was clean.

Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. And leaping forth he stood and [b]began to walk, and he went into the temple with them, walking and leaping and praising God.



Both Elijah and Christ appointed a successor, Elisha, by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ:

2 Kings 2:9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
He, (Elijah), said, You have asked a hard thing. However, if you see me when I am taken from you, it shall be so for you

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.



Both Elijah and Christ wrote only one thing, a letter, to people on Earth AFTER they had ascended:

2 Chronicles 21:12 And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:


Both Elijah and Christ walked on across the water

2 Kings 2:8 And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground

Matthew 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea


Both Elijah and Christ let a person follow them across the water:

2 Kings 2:14 And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over

Matthew 14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water to go to Jesus.



Both Elijah and Christ raised the dead:

1 Kings 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the Passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.



Both Elijah and Christ ascended into Heaven before witnesses:

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
12 And Elisha saw it.

Luke 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven

 

[Clare73]

No, really? My read of the Book of Acts gave me the idea it was first called "The Way" or something like that.

And in Ac 11:26?

You wouldn't be teaching or correcting us here, would you?

Ahem. No, no, it couldn't be that.

In what world is "teaching" or "correcting" misinformation a bad thing?

So why did God appoint teachers for the body of Christ (1Co 12:28; Ac 13:1; Ro 12:6-7; Eph 4:11)?

The remedy for being taught or corrected is not to traffic in inaccurary when reporting on the Word of God written.

Just sayin'.