Non-Catholic's view of RC Catechism

[LittleLambofJesus]

My view is its bigger and fatter than the bible.
I'd rather read the Bible. Its easier to understand.

Also, dont need to read it cos dont go to a rcc church, and God has never said I had to read it.

me too...like the book called "The Joy of Fearing God".....

Will have to look at that!

I liked THE TEACHING OF CHRIST - A CATHOLIC CATECHISM FOR ADULTS. It is an excellent book.

Well, ya know what the holy wise man said about books :

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/lb/LB1.htm

*SNIP*

........ Now, what is meant by this term – THE BOOK OF THE LIFE OF THE LAMB?
The wise man said, "...of the making of many books there is no end...The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person" (Eccl. 12:12, 13).

The book stores are filled to overflowing today with all types of books dealing with every aspect of earthly life. Even in the church world there are books setting forth every kind of viewpoint relating to God, the Bible, doctrine, Christian experience, and church order. However the subject material of most of these books largely contains a message of religious tradition and spiritual death.
But God is also producing a book – a book containing a message of life. For the past two millenniums God, by His Holy Spirit, has been writing portions of this Book in the minds and hearts of His people....................

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[LittleLambofJesus]

brinny said: ↑
i never read the catechism....

I see

You do? ehehe

John 9:41
Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains.

Revelation 3:1818
I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Here I am, late to the thread as usual.

I am not going to comment about the contents right now, but the format.

I own a copy, and have read it. It sits on my desk 12" away from me at this very moment; as does my Book of Concord, Bibles and various other reference books.

The CCC is a very good reference for Catholic teaching and belief. Where, in my opinion, it does fall down is it's size. Very intimidating. Less detail, more basics would make it much more user friendly.

The Book of Concord is no book for a new or searching Christian; Luther's Small Catechism with Explanation is. One needs more than a basic grasp of theology to get much out of the BoC. I feel that the CCC is similar in nature.

From my POV, having read lots of theology, it's a good reference when trying to understand and discuss Catholic theology; it is also a good reference when discussing my theology compared to Catholic theology; and occasionally, brings better understanding of points where we share similar potions.

To best serve the CC, I would say to keep it as it is, but follow the example Luther with his Small Catechism; publishing a basic Catechism: keep it simple and brief; then follow the example of the LCMS and LCC and support it with the Bible, and where applicable with other sources.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Here I am, late to the thread as usual.

I am not going to comment about the contents right now, but the format.

I own a copy, and have read it. It sits on my desk 12" away from me at this very moment; as does my Book of Concord, Bibles and various other reference books.

The CCC is a very good reference for Catholic teaching and belief. Where, in my opinion, it does fall down is it's size. Very intimidating. Less detail, more basics would make it much more user friendly.

The Book of Concord is no book for a new or searching Christian; Luther's Small Catechism with Explanation is. One needs more than a basic grasp of theology to get much out of the BoC. I feel that the CCC is similar in nature.

From my POV, having read lots of theology, it's a good reference when trying to understand and discuss Catholic theology; it is also a good reference when discussing my theology compared to Catholic theology; and occasionally, brings better understanding of points where we share similar potions.

To best serve the CC, I would say to keep it as it is, but follow the example Luther with his Small Catechism; publishing a basic Catechism: keep it simple and brief; then follow the example of the LCMS and LCC and support it with the Bible, and where applicable with other sources.

Use the COMPENDIUM of the CCC. It is available on the web.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html​

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Use the COMPENDIUM of the CCC. It is available on the web.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html​

Thanks, I will look at it!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Oops....D P.....

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here I am, late to the thread as usual.

The CCC is a very good reference for Catholic teaching and belief. Where, in my opinion, it does fall down is it's size. Very intimidating. Less detail, more basics would make it much more user friendly.

The Book of Concord is no book for a new or searching Christian; Luther's Small Catechism with Explanation is. One needs more than a basic grasp of theology to get much out of the BoC. I feel that the CCC is similar in nature.

From my POV, having read lots of theology, it's a good reference when trying to understand and discuss Catholic theology; it is also a good reference when discussing my theology compared to Catholic theology; and occasionally, brings better understanding of points where we share similar potions.
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Good point bro.
That would be one reason I would read it, in order to debate/discuss my views of the Bible to that of Roman Catholicism' theology according to their Catechism.

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[MarkRohfrietsch]

Good point bro.
That would be one reason I would read it, in order to debate/discuss my views of the Bible to that of Roman Catholicism' theology according to their Catechism.

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Is this endorsed by the CC?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Good point bro.

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Is this endorsed by the CC?

Hmmm, not sure.
The authors appear to be highly regarded.

About the authors
Rev. John Trigilio, Jr., PhD, ThD, is President of the Confraternity of Catholic Clergy and co-hosts with Fr. Brighenti several programs on the Eternal Word Television Network.
Rev. Kenneth Brighenti, PhD, is a member of the Board of Directors for the Confraternity of Catholic Clergy and was a U.S. Naval Reserve Chaplain.

http://catholicclergy.net/

I would probably start off with this one:



Operating instructions for being a Catholic.

The Catechism is an amazing collection of Church teachings and rules that cover everything from the basics, like honoring God, to more unusual subjects, such as paying just wages and respecting animals. Perfect for students, lay teachers, Catholics, and readers of other faiths, this guide is the key to understanding the daily life of Catholics and gives readers an appreciation for what Catholics believe.


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[Goodbook]

Oh if you catholic, just want to point out, you have to read a catholic endorsed bible. Because the Holy Bible, the first english translation which is known as the av or kjv was actually bamned by the catholic church. They had a banned books list. You had to read it in latin and if you didnt understand latin, too bad.

 

[Goodbook]

Anyway, i just thought Id say that and it knowing that didnt give me a good impression of catholicism.
Sorry.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Oh if you catholic, just want to point out, you have to read a catholic endorsed bible. Because the Holy Bible, the first english translation which is known as the av or kjv was actually bamned by the catholic church. They had a banned books list. You had to read it in latin and if you didnt understand latin, too bad.

So the KJV was the first English translation of Sacred Scripture, eh?

 

[seeking.IAM]

...Because the Holy Bible, the first english translation which is known as the av or kjv was actually bamned by the catholic church. They had a banned books list. You had to read it in latin and if you didnt understand latin, too bad.

Anyway, i just thought Id say that and it knowing that didnt give me a good impression of catholicism.
Sorry.

The KJV was the product of the Church of England which was schismatic from Rome. It seems unlikely that the Church of Rome would endorse a work of a schismatic group that just left them. It seems a pretty logical move to this Anglican. I suspect it had more to do with turf than wanting to deny anyone the scriptures in their own language.

 

[BobRyan]

What are the views of non-RCs of the Catechism of the CC? Just curious. Thanks

Edit to add: Including ex-RCs.........

i think it is a good resource to see what Catholics are taught. And it is helpful to notice a certain degree of agreement between Papal statements, various RC historians and the CCC on various subjects.

 

[BobRyan]

So now people can't just read and get proper interpretation of the catechism either? Maybe you'd like to cite one of my faulty interpretations?

Someone is needed to explain what someone else explained about what some other source explained about what we can all read in the Bible...

 

[bbbbbbb]

I find the Catechism of the Catholic Church to be quite helpful in understanding official Catholic doctrine. It is a much quicker read than the other Three Standard Works of Mormonism, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures, or the writings of Ellen G. White.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Oh if you catholic, just want to point out, you have to read a catholic endorsed bible. Because the Holy Bible, the first english translation which is known as the av or kjv was actually bamned by the catholic church. They had a banned books list. You had to read it in latin and if you didnt understand latin, too bad.

I would be glad to discuss that on the thread I created at the link below:

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/jerome-and-banning-translations.7234016/
Jerome and banning Translations

http://www.drbo.org/preface.htm

The Douay-Rheims Bible is a scrupulously faithful translation into English of the Latin Vulgate Bible which St. Jerome (342-420) translated into Latin from the original languages. The Vulgate quickly became the Bible universally used in the Latin Rite (by far the largest rite of the Catholic Church).
St. Jerome, who was one of the four great Western Fathers of the Church, was a man raised up by God to translate the Holy Bible into the common Latin tongue of his day. He knew Latin and Greek perfectly. He was 1500 years closer to the original languages than any scholar today, which would make him a better judge of the exact meaning of any Greek or Hebrew word in the Scriptures. Besides being a towering linguistic genius, he was also a great saint, and he had access to ancient Hebrew and Greek manuscripts of the 2nd and 3rd centuries which have since perished and are no longer available to scholars today. St. Jerome's translation, moreover, was a careful, word-for-word rendering of the original texts into Latin....................

http://biblelight.net/banned.htm

............In 1408 the third synod of Oxford, England, banned unauthorized English translations of the Bible and decreed that possession of English translation's had to be approved by diocesan authorities. The Oxford council declared:
"It is dangerous, as St. Jerome declares, to translate the text of Holy Scriptures out of one idiom into another, since it is not easy in translations to preserve exactly the same meaning in all things.

We therefore command and ordain that henceforth no one translate the text of Holy Scripture into English or any other language as a book, booklet, or tract, of this kind lately made in the time of the said John Wyclif or since, or that hereafter may be made, either in part or wholly, either publicly or privately, under pain of excommunication, until such translation shall have been approved and allowed by the Provincial Council. He who shall act otherwise let him be punished as an abettor of heresy and error."...................



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[MoreCoffee]

Because the Holy Bible, the first english translation which is known as the av or kjv

The Douay Rhiems Bible was published before the KJV. The KJV is far from the first bible in the English language and the English language is comparatively young. Latin predates it by many centuries Greek also and Hebrew too.

 

[thecolorsblend]

The Douay Rhiems Bible was published before the KJV. The KJV is far from the first bible in the English language and the English language is comparatively young. Latin predates it by many centuries Greek also and Hebrew too.

Indeed. I never got a reply to my comment (#432 further up) but that's where I was planning to take the discussion. There were centuries' worth of English translations of Sacred Scripture long before the KJV hit the scene. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English_Bible_translations has a lot of neat factoids about just how far back some of the English translations go.

But hey, the KJV was good enough for St. Paul...

 

[MoreCoffee]

But hey, the KJV was good enough for St. Paul...

No!!!!

Saint Paul preached THE GOOD NEWS [bible] so obviously the Good News Bible is the one that was good enough for saint Paul