"Nobel laureates: ban creationism in Scottish schools"

[RickG]

Science goes against the Bible, doesn't it?

Science doesn't address the bible. Scientific facts are completely independent of the bible. It is the bible fundamentalists that attack science, not the other way around.

 

[Strathos]

We were told to beware of it.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Because YEC = Christ now...

 

[BobRyan]

Science doesn't address the bible. Scientific facts are completely independent of the bible. .

blind faith evolutionism does however present its own blind faith religion that is opposed to Bible doctrine because evolutionism is in fact religion combined with junk science.

It goes to extremes as in the case of declaring it a law that you cannot say in class "There exists a book in the library that students can read on their own if they wish to know more about this or that competitive theory to blind faith evolutionism".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[bhsmte]

blind faith evolutionism does however present its own blind faith religion that is opposed to Bible doctrine because evolutionism is in fact religion combined with junk science.

It goes to extremes as in the case of declaring it a law that you cannot say in class "There exists a book in the library that students can read on their own if they wish to know more about this or that competitive theory to blind faith evolutionism".

in Christ,

Bob

I guess you could call the TOE blind faith, if there wasn't massive amounts of evidence to support it. But since there is massive amounts of evidence, it really isn't blind faith now is it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Science doesn't address the bible.

It doesn't have to.

Some things, as they say in English class, are "'you' understood."

Scientific facts are completely independent of the bible.

Ain't that the truth!?

It is the bible fundamentalists that attack science, not the other way around.

Bible fundamentalists don't hide behind fancy philosophies and Latin languages to make their points.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because YEC = Christ now...

What?

 

[AV1611VET]

I guess you could call the TOE blind faith, if there wasn't massive amounts of evidence to support it. But since there is massive amounts of evidence, it really isn't blind faith now is it?

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[bhsmte]

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Is this a counting thread?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is this a counting thread?

Employ the scientific method and see for yourself, scientist.

Test that theory.

 

[bhsmte]

Employ the scientific method and see for yourself, scientist.

I don't think that method applies to you. I could see how you could get confused though.

 

[RickG]

blind faith evolutionism does however present its own blind faith religion that is opposed to Bible doctrine because evolutionism is in fact religion combined with junk science.

Thank you for your opinion. I gather you are not experienced in any of the many fields of earth science?

quote]It goes to extremes as in the case of declaring it a law that you cannot say in class "There exists a book in the library that students can read on their own if they wish to know more about this or that competitive theory to blind faith evolutionism".[/quote]

Bob, I can't speak for Scotland. However, I have had a number of years teaching experience in the public schools systems in three different states. Religious views are not banned. You might be supprised just how alive religion is in schools today. Where I have taught, the day begins with a moment of silence which everyone knows is "silent prayer" if you wish. There are actual Christian clubs affiliated with the school. The only restriction is that they must meet either before or after scheduled classes. Religious prayer and discussions are allowed in these clubs on school grounds. Before every football or basket ball game, there is a prayer presented. This is permissible because it is not presented during class time. There are very few teachers meetings that I have attended that did not open with a prayer.

Please don't criticize what you have no idea or experience with.

 

[BobRyan]

I guess you could call the TOE blind faith, if there wasn't massive amounts of evidence to support it. But since there is massive amounts of evidence, it really isn't blind faith now is it?

1. There is massive fraud supporting -- like the famous horse series fraud that even atheists now admit "never happened in nature".

2. There is massive story telling about "a massive decrease in entropy" for molecule to human mind ... evolutionism.

3. There is massive "hand waiving" about "prokaryotes becoming eukaryotes because bacteria can modify their diet" when we all know that such a transition to eukaryote has never been observed in the lab.

The mechanism to "invent new organs" has never been "observed in nature".

The list of "blind faith stories" is large - but I especially like the one where they try to "make up the story for the origin of bats".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[bhsmte]

1. There is massive fraud supporting -- like the famous horse series fraud that even atheists now admit "never happened in nature".

2. There is massive story telling about "a massive decrease in entropy" for molecule to human mind ... evolutionism.

3. There is massive "hand waiving" about "prokaryotes becoming eukaryotes because bacteria can modify their diet" when we all know that such a transition to eukaryote has never been observed in the lab.

The mechanism to "invent new organs" has never been "observed in nature".

The list of "blind faith stories" is large - but I especially like the one where they try ti "make up the story for the origin of bats".

in Christ,

Bob

If that position works for you, than knock yourself out.

 

[BobRyan]

Junk science blind faith evolutionism - on display for even the atheists to see.

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Collin Patterson (atheist and diehard evolutionist to the day he died in 1998) - Paleontologist British Museum of Natural history speaking at the American Museum of Natural History in 1981 - said:

Patterson - quotes Gillespie's arguing that Christians
"'...holding creationist ideas could plead ignorance of the means and affirm only the fact,'"

Patterson countered, "That seems to summarize the feeling I get in talking to evolutionists today. They plead ignorance of the means of transformation, but affirm only the fact (saying):'Yes it has...we know it has taken place.'"

"...Now I think that many people in this room would acknowledge that during the last few years, if you had thought about it at all, you've experienced a shift from evolution as knowledge to evolution as faith. I know that's true of me, and I think it's true of a good many of you in here...

"...,Evolution not only conveys no knowledge, but seems somehow to convey anti-knowledge , apparent knowledge which is actually harmful to systematics..."

 

[BobRyan]

If even the atheists are waking up to the problem - who am I as a Christian to continue to swallow blind faith evolutionism - instead of accepting God's own account of origins?

 

[Split Rock]

If that position works for you, than knock yourself out.

I don't even remember this guy or putting him my Ignore list, but now I am reminded why I did. LOL.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't even remember this guy or putting him my Ignore list, but now I am reminded why I did. LOL.

Appears to be another, broken out of the biblical creationist mold.

 

[RickG]

1. There is massive fraud supporting -- like the famous horse series fraud that even atheists now admit "never happened in nature".

Really? I've never heard of it. Do you have a credible source, rather than a YEC claim?

2. There is massive story telling about "a massive decrease in entropy" for molecule to human mind ... evolutionism.

Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. What has entropy have to do with evolution?

3. There is massive "hand waiving" about "prokaryotes becoming eukaryotes because bacteria can modify their diet" when we all know that such a transition to eukaryote has never been observed in the lab.

I'm not a biologist, but..............what ????????

The mechanism to "invent new organs" has never been "observed in nature".

What? New organs just pop into existence? ToE doesn't say that?

The list of "blind faith stories" is large - but I especially like the one where they try ti "make up the story for the origin of bats".

in Christ,

I think the blind faith is your belief in those stories. One thing the YEC literature is well known for is the misrepresentation of science. In other words, the YEC literature quite often claims says science says things that they don't say. I don't guess you would be interested in actually looking at a YEC claim of what they say science says and compare it with what science actually says.

 

[AV1611VET]

Appears to be another, broken out of the biblical creationist mold.

Perhaps he thinks he's a "strong independent"?

Know anyone that claims that?

 

[RickG]

If even the atheists are waking up to the problem - who am I as a Christian to continue to swallow blind faith evolutionism - instead of accepting God's own account of origins?

Bob, I really don't care if you or anyone accepts the theory of evolution. What I do care about is people finding ways to not to accept ToE through less than honorable means. That is the deliberate misrepresentation of science.

Stating "swallow blind faith evolutionism" is nothing but a biased opinion is far from the truth. There is no single theory in science that is more tested and documented with evidence than the theory of evolution. ToE is not exclusive to biology. It has contributing support from every single discipline of physical science, and by support I don't mean people from different disciplines supporting it, I mean the evidence discovered in those disciplines support it.

Why is the fossil record throughout the geologic column laid down in such a manner as to demonstrate evolution? If evolution were false, we would expect fossils of everything that ever lived to be found in all layers of geologic strata. But they are not. They are distributed throughout the geologic column in such a manner as to describe evolution exactly as it would be expected to occur.