Noahs flood.

[Aman777]

Noah's flood was a fictional genealogical devise used by the Babylonion redactors used to trace their blood lines back to the incarnate Adam and Eve whom they assumed were the first humans. It was an enchanted age without any scientific knowledge.

Not so, since Genesis was authored by the Holy Spirit and He hid God's Truth of the flood in the Snare or Trap, which catches modern scientists in their mistakes in the last days. 2Pe 3:3-7 Below is God's Truth which does agree in every way with every discovery of Science and History and which also shows that the ToE is totally FALSE:

Some eleven thousand years ago, Adam's firmament, which God called Heaven, sank in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. It sank because God had opened the windows on top of the solid firmament which had protected Adam's small Earth for Billions of years. Then it rained for 40 days and nights and the firmament begin to sink, and the 450 foot Ark was raised above Adam's Earth for the first time. Gen 7:17

The waters of the flood prevailed upon Adam's Earth until the water covered the hills. Gen 7:19 The waters continued to prevail upon the first Earth until they reached a depth of 22.5 feet or 15 cubits and the mountains of Adam's small Earth were covered. Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

Some teach that the water covered the tops of the mountains for 15 cubits but that is NOT what is actually written. The flood waters stayed for 150 days or 5 months and every living creature died and Adam's Earth was clean dissolved. Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

On the SAME 150th day or 5 months, AFTER the flood began the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat Gen 8:4 on the present Earth because it had been released from the interior of the solid firmament, which had sunk in the Lake. Today, the bottom of the firmament, which probably looks similar to a Wok, rests beneath 11k years of volcanic sediment in Lake Van, just waiting for someone to discover EVIDENCE of life from another world. When it is found, this world will marvel, because it's tangible empirical evidence of the Literal God. That is the True story of the flood, Scripturally and History agrees. The firmament is huge and worth it's weight in Gold. Amen?

 

[Colter]

Not so, since Genesis was authored by the Holy Spirit and He hid God's Truth of the flood in the Snare or Trap, which catches modern scientists in their mistakes in the last days. 2Pe 3:3-7 Below is God's Truth which does agree in every way with every discovery of Science and History and which also shows that the ToE is totally FALSE:

Some eleven thousand years ago, Adam's firmament, which God called Heaven, sank in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. It sank because God had opened the windows on top of the solid firmament which had protected Adam's small Earth for Billions of years. Then it rained for 40 days and nights and the firmament begin to sink, and the 450 foot Ark was raised above Adam's Earth for the first time. Gen 7:17

The waters of the flood prevailed upon Adam's Earth until the water covered the hills. Gen 7:19 The waters continued to prevail upon the first Earth until they reached a depth of 22.5 feet or 15 cubits and the mountains of Adam's small Earth were covered. Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

Some teach that the water covered the tops of the mountains for 15 cubits but that is NOT what is actually written. The flood waters stayed for 150 days or 5 months and every living creature died and Adam's Earth was clean dissolved. Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

On the SAME 150th day or 5 months, AFTER the flood began the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat Gen 8:4 on the present Earth because it had been released from the interior of the solid firmament, which had sunk in the Lake. Today, the bottom of the firmament, which probably looks similar to a Wok, rests beneath 11k years of volcanic sediment in Lake Van, just waiting for someone to discover EVIDENCE of life from another world. When it is found, this world will marvel, because it's tangible empirical evidence of the Literal God. That is the True story of the flood, Scripturally and History agrees. The firmament is huge and worth it's weight in Gold. Amen?

The Holy Spirit of Christ didn't author Genesis, it didn't exist until Jesus poured out his spirit upon all flesh. Bible worshipers make stuff up to compensate for the errors of the older beliefs. When preachers wrote Genesis it was understood in that age to be pseudo-biographical. It wasn't until the return to Jerusalem that later generations began to call it "Gods Word in order to derive religious, institutional authority.

In Babylon the Hebrew priest rewrote their history, they converted secular into a miraculous history. Many Christians understand that the Bible is not perfect and have moved on.

 

[Radrook]

Not so, since Genesis was authored by the Holy Spirit and He hid God's Truth of the flood in the Snare or Trap, which catches modern scientists in their mistakes in the last days. 2Pe 3:3-7 Below is God's Truth which does agree in every way with every discovery of Science and History and which also shows that the ToE is totally FALSE:

Some eleven thousand years ago, Adam's firmament, which God called Heaven, sank in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. It sank because God had opened the windows on top of the solid firmament which had protected Adam's small Earth for Billions of years. Then it rained for 40 days and nights and the firmament begin to sink, and the 450 foot Ark was raised above Adam's Earth for the first time. Gen 7:17

The waters of the flood prevailed upon Adam's Earth until the water covered the hills. Gen 7:19 The waters continued to prevail upon the first Earth until they reached a depth of 22.5 feet or 15 cubits and the mountains of Adam's small Earth were covered. Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

Some teach that the water covered the tops of the mountains for 15 cubits but that is NOT what is actually written. The flood waters stayed for 150 days or 5 months and every living creature died and Adam's Earth was clean dissolved. Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

On the SAME 150th day or 5 months, AFTER the flood began the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat Gen 8:4 on the present Earth because it had been released from the interior of the solid firmament, which had sunk in the Lake. Today, the bottom of the firmament, which probably looks similar to a Wok, rests beneath 11k years of volcanic sediment in Lake Van, just waiting for someone to discover EVIDENCE of life from another world. When it is found, this world will marvel, because it's tangible empirical evidence of the Literal God. That is the True story of the flood, Scripturally and History agrees. The firmament is huge and worth it's weight in Gold. Amen?

There is an ancient map which clearly shows the coastline of Antarctica as it exists now under the ice.

 

[Radrook]

Interesting data about Antarctica coastlines.

The Piri Reis map shows the western coast of Africa, the eastern coast of South America, and the northern coast of Antarctica ice free. The northern coastline of Antarctica is perfectly detailed. The most puzzling however is not so much how the Piri Reis Antarctica map managed to so accurate 300 years before it was discovered, but that the map shows the real coastline under the ice. Geological evidence confirms that the latest date Queen Maud Land could have been charted in an ice-free state is 4000 BC.

http://www.ancientdestructions.com/piri-reis-map-of-antarctica/

 

[Radrook]

The Holy Spirit of Christ didn't author Genesis, it didn't exist until Jesus poured out his spirit upon all flesh. Bible worshipers make stuff up to compensate for the errors of the older beliefs. When preachers wrote Genesis it was understood in that age to be pseudo-biographical. It wasn't until the return to Jerusalem that later generations began to call it "Gods Word in order to derive religious, institutional authority.

In Babylon the Hebrew priest rewrote their history, they converted secular into a miraculous history. Many Christians understand that the Bible is not perfect and have moved on.

That's not so.

THE HOLY SPIRIT AS THE SOURCE OF LIFE

Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters (Genesis 1:2).

The spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life (Job 33:4).

When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth (Psalm 104:30).

The Holy Spirit is described as creative, life-giving, and life-sustaining. Is it any wonder that in the New Testament He would be similarly described (cf. John 3:5-8; 6:63; 2 Corinthians 3:6)?
https://bible.org/seriespage/2-putt...e-part-1-holy-spirit-old-testament-acts-21-13

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

Interesting data about Antarctica coastlines.

Nonsense. The Piri Reis map shows a veering off to the east of South America at about the latitude of Rio de Janeiro. It is not Antarctica nor does it correspond well to an ice free Queen Maud land. The lack of the Strait of Magellan should be the first clue.

The Piri Reis map is fairly accurate for the Carribean and Iberia, but quite inaccurate in other respects. The coastline in question was likely a fanciful attempt to show Terra Incognita Australis, the large southern hemisphere counterweight continent to Asia that Ptolemaic geographers expected.

 

[Colter]

That's not so.

The "Holy spirit" sent by Jesus isn't the same as the spirit of God the Hebrew preachers credited in their creation story.

 

[Radrook]

The "Holy spirit" sent by Jesus isn't the same as the spirit of God the Hebrew preachers credited in their creation story.

Well, as you can see, many Christians consider them identical.

 

[Radrook]

Nonsense. The Piri Reis map shows a veering off to the east of South America at about the latitude of Rio de Janeiro. It is not Antarctica nor does it correspond well to an ice free Queen Maud land. The lack of the Strait of Magellan should be the first clue.

The Piri Reis map is fairly accurate for the Carribean and Iberia, but quite inaccurate in other respects. The coastline in question was likely a fanciful attempt to show Terra Incognita Australis, the large southern hemisphere counterweight continent to Asia that Ptolemaic geographers expected.

Thanks for the healthy skepticism.

For those who wish to pursue it further here is a link.

The ancient Piri Reis map of Antarctica and South America from 1513 shows a world that was not then known. The map was found on a dusty shelf in a library in Constantinople in 1929 and no one doubts its authenticity, but just how could Piri Reis have such a map showing an entire continent that wasn't even discovered for a few more hundred years?

And the mystery deepens when Piri Reis himself etched his map with notes that his map was based on even earlier sources including ten Arabian sources, four Indian maps sourced from Portuguese and one map of Christopher Columbus.

However some critics claim the map is not very accurate at all stating "there being many, many world maps produced in the remaining eighty-seven years of that century that far surpass it in accuracy. The Ribero maps of the 1520s and 1530s, the Ortelius map of 1570, and the Wright-Molyneux map of 1599 (‘the best map of the sixteenth century’) are only a few better-known examples."
http://www.violations.org.uk/antarctica_maps.html

 

[Colter]

Well, as you can see, many Christians consider them identical.

Understood, people have tried to force Jesus into many parts of the writings of those who rejected him.

 

[Aman777]

The Holy Spirit of Christ didn't author Genesis, it didn't exist until Jesus poured out his spirit upon all flesh. Bible worshipers make stuff up to compensate for the errors of the older beliefs. When preachers wrote Genesis it was understood in that age to be pseudo-biographical. It wasn't until the return to Jerusalem that later generations began to call it "Gods Word in order to derive religious, institutional authority.

In Babylon the Hebrew priest rewrote their history, they converted secular into a miraculous history. Many Christians understand that the Bible is not perfect and have moved on.

I cannot agree since it takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to "create" Gen 1:26 and Gen 5:1-2 AND the Holy Spirit is the Author of Scripture. 2Pe 1:21 Can you tell us HOW to be saved apart from the Scriptures?

 

[Aman777]

Well, as you can see, many Christians consider them identical.

God is the SAME yesterday today and forever. No one can explain HOW Adam and Eve were "created in God's Image" Gen 1:26 and Gen 5:1-2 without the Holy Spirit being placed inside them, since that is what creates a Christian. Romans 8:9

 

[Colter]

I cannot agree since it takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to "create" Gen 1:26 and Gen 5:1-2 AND the Holy Spirit is the Author of Scripture. 2Pe 1:21 Can you tell us HOW to be saved apart from the Scriptures?

That legalistic conclusion is speculation and Genesis is a very young story about a very old earth. The Hebrew authors culled fragments of Mesopotamian lore together to create their mostly fictional, exaggerated and self important history. the inconsistent creation story demonstrates that Adam and Eve arrived on a preveously populated, fallen earth.

 

[Radrook]

God is the SAME yesterday today and forever. No one can explain HOW Adam and Eve were "created in God's Image" Gen 1:26 and Gen 5:1-2 without the Holy Spirit being placed inside them, since that is what creates a Christian. Romans 8:9

Not all Christians experience confusion concerning the creation event as it relates to original humans nor in reference to the nature of the holy spirit's function because they are familiar with the diversified ways in which the Bible describes its function.
One way is via inspiring humans to write down God's thoughts or to prophesy. Another way is to strengthen either physically or spiritually as was the case with Samson and the early Christians who withstood persecution even unto death. Yet another is to serve as a helper in the preaching of the Gospels via reminding Christians and guiding them on what to say. yet another was the creation of the universe. Speaking in tongues was another way that the spirit helped Christians communicate with foreigners.

Adam and Eve were indeed in God's image in that they possessed the ability to reason, to love, to feel a profound sense of right and wrong, ability to create new things as their heavenly Father does. This is totally unrelated to the need to become a Christian which arose later after the fall from Grace.

 

[Aman777]

That legalistic conclusion is speculation and Genesis is a very young story about a very old earth. The Hebrew authors culled fragments of Mesopotamian lore together to create their mostly fictional, exaggerated and self important history. the inconsistent creation story demonstrates that Adam and Eve arrived on a preveously populated, fallen earth.

Genesis one speaks of God bringing into the physical world air, dust and water which were apart from God, which means they contained Death/darkness. Then YHWH/Jesus, the Light of the first Day, enters the physical realm to mold the air, dust and water into physical form AND to defeat the Death which was upon the creation elements. On the 2nd Day Adam's firmament or boundary of his world is made and placed in the middle of water with water surrounding it, showing that it was self-sufficient and could be transported anywhere.

On Day 3, God brought some water from under the firmament inside the hollow firmament and when land appeared, Adam's FLAT Earth was made. There is NOTHING about a previous Earth, or a fallen Earth, and Eve was NOT made until the present 6th Day Gen 2:22 AFTER the creatures were made from the dust of the ground and named by Adam. Gen 2:19

Death is not defeated until the END of the present 6th Day. 1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Where is this mysterious fallen Earth which you claim was before Adam and Eve Scripturally? I can't find it in the Bible.

 

[Colter]

Genesis one speaks of God bringing into the physical world air, dust and water which were apart from God, which means they contained Death/darkness. Then YHWH/Jesus, the Light of the first Day, enters the physical realm to mold the air, dust and water into physical form AND to defeat the Death which was upon the creation elements. On the 2nd Day Adam's firmament or boundary of his world is made and placed in the middle of water with water surrounding it, showing that it was self-sufficient and could be transported anywhere.

On Day 3, God brought some water from under the firmament inside the hollow firmament and when land appeared, Adam's FLAT Earth was made. There is NOTHING about a previous Earth, or a fallen Earth, and Eve was NOT made until the present 6th Day Gen 2:22 AFTER the creatures were made from the dust of the ground and named by Adam. Gen 2:19

Death is not defeated until the END of the present 6th Day. 1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Where is this mysterious fallen Earth which you claim was before Adam and Eve Scripturally? I can't find it in the Bible.

Yours is one of many imaginative explanations attempting to force the square peg of the Gen. creation story into the round hole of scientific discovery.
Cain found it and a wife among the Nodites.

The "crafty beast" had already fallen before Eve was out flanked.

 

[ewq1938]

Excerpt:

Bible:

2Ki_2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

 

[Aman777]

Yours is one of many imaginative explanations attempting to force the square peg of the Gen. creation story into the round hole of scientific discovery.
Cain found it and a wife among the Nodites.

The "crafty beast" had already fallen before Eve was out flanked.

There is no square peg in my understanding since it AGREES in every way with Scripture, Science AND History. I agree that Cain married a descendant of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who lived in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. There were NO other Humans (descendants of Adam) for him to marry. He was just like Noah's grandsons on our Planet who married and produced today's Humans with the prehistoric people who had been on our Planet for Millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived. Science has mistakenly classified them as Humans.

The devil came inside the firmament with the Ark since he didn't have to breathe. It's the only way the crafty beast could have gotten here. Thanks for making me think HOW he got here. I was just discussing it with someone else on another thread.

 

[Colter]

There is no square peg in my understanding since it AGREES in every way with Scripture, Science AND History. I agree that Cain married a descendant of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who lived in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. There were NO other Humans (descendants of Adam) for him to marry. He was just like Noah's grandsons on our Planet who married and produced today's Humans with the prehistoric people who had been on our Planet for Millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived. Science has mistakenly classified them as Humans.

The devil came inside the firmament with the Ark since he didn't have to breathe. It's the only way the crafty beast could have gotten here. Thanks for making me think HOW he got here. I was just discussing it with someone else on another thread.

Prehistoric people who were not human?

The devil arrived on Noah's ark?

 

[Radrook]

Bible:

2Ki_2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

The word "heaven" can refer the the atmosphere. The Bible itself doesn't recognize this as an ascension into the spiritual heavens since it clearly tells us that no one had done so before Jesus. NT writers were familiar with Elijah's experience so if they disqualified it as an ascension into the spiritual heavens then that is good enough for me.

The English translation of 2 Kings 2:11 is the problem. The Hebrew word translated heaven there is the same word used in Genesis 1:6-8 to describe the firmament, the area between the waters on Earth and the water vapor canopy that was originally at the outer edge of our atmosphere. Today we call this the sky, and that’s really where 2 Kings 2:11 says Elijah was taken, up into the sky. I assume he went to Paradise where all Old Testament believers went to be comforted until the Messiah came, and where Jesus went from the cross.

According to Paul, there are three things we can call heaven (2 Cor. 2:12) The first is our atmosphere, or sky, second is the vast expanse of the universe, and third is the throne of God. This is where Jesus came from and where no one could go until He went back.

But if you prefer to disagree that's OK.
You have a right to your opinion.