Noahs flood.

[Soyeong]

Yes, the flood wasn't literally world wide just Noah's world was flooded which was a certain area in which there were evil people God decided to kill. Even Noah might have thought it was global, certainly lot's daughters believed there were the last humans alive on the planet and so mated with their own father. Both examples were a localized destruction but quite massive in the eyes of the survivors.

The Hebrew word "eretz" means "land" and can refer to a global flood, but is also used in the Bible to refer to a localized area, such as the land of Egypt or the land of Israel. The surface area of the Earth 196.9 million mi^2 and even less than 1% of that could be flooded as far as the eye could see in all directions. It is doubtful that he traveled everywhere on the planet to make sure everywhere was flooded, though I agree that he might have thought everywhere was flooded.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, the flood wasn't literally world wide just Noah's world was flooded which was a certain area in which there were evil people God decided to kill. Even Noah might have thought it was global, certainly lot's daughters believed there were the last humans alive on the planet and so mated with their own father. Both examples were a localized destruction but quite massive in the eyes of the survivors.

There is an interesting explanation that humanity had only spread to the area
covered by the flood, so the all inclusive "whole world" language was justified.
It's easy to see that "whole world" would also mean "entire known world"
In my city, I've known people who have not visited the north side of the
city in their lifetime. Likely early man did not travel too far either.

 

[SkyWriting]

The purpose of the flood was to kill all those who were contaminated with the "genes" derived from the 200 fallen angels that came down to earth and had offspring with women on the earth. Noah was perfect in his generations, Genesis 6:9, in that he was not contaminated with these genes. For reasons I won't go into, I think these monstrosities (giants, etc.) ruled the earth for 700 to 1200 years during the 1st 2000 years after the creation.

The giants also were found in the land (Philistines, etc) when Israel first entered it. I'm thinking that there were 6 different clans that God had Israel destroy. Here again, I believe the reason for killing them was to eliminate these monstrous freaks contaminated with angel "genes."

I doubt angels had genes.

 

[SkyWriting]

I am interested only in serious scholarship, Iam. I firmly believe anything less than that is prejudice and ignorance.

It's important to note that scripture was written by men
and men are notorious for forgetting things.

 

[ac28]

It's important to note that scripture was written by men
and men are notorious for forgetting things.

2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[SkyWriting]

2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Yes, it's all inspired by God.
Don't you think that Michelangelo was inspired by God as well?

 

[ac28]

Yes, it's all inspired by God.
Don't you think that Michelangelo was inspired by God as well?

NO! Not using the definition of inspired meaning God-breathed, I surely don't think Michelangelo was inspired.

 

[SkyWriting]

NO! Not using the definition of inspired meaning God-breathed, I surely don't think Michelangelo was inspired.

So where does "God-Breathed" originate from and how is that defined?

 

[ac28]

As used in 2 Timothy 3:16, the Greek word, theopneustos, is translated inspiration. It means God-breathed.

I'm sure Michelangelo was "inspired" in a secular way, which meaning can be found in any secular dictionary.

 

[dqhall]

2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Not all writings are inspired by God.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

If this is true, one might not be able to support inerrancy of the Bible, even though it contains facts. Paul did not support the law in its entirety. He did not advise circumcising Gentiles, nor to make them bound to the laws of Moses. The apostles did advise abstaining from fornication and sexual immorality. Jesus taught against murder, anger, lust, adultery and other sins. Jesus taught God is more than some writings in a book. God is alive.

 

[Radrook]

Paul wrote that the law as embodied in its ceremonial aspects of the priesthood and its obligatory sacrifices was merely the prophetic shadow of foretold realities and not the very substance. He explained that such shadows became a reality in Christ
and were no longer necessary to foretell what had now already been fulfilled. He explained that the high priest symbolized Jesus and that the most holy signified heaven itself where Jesus would enter with the value of his own blood and offer it on our behalf.. So all those sacrifices foreshadowed Jesus' own sacrifice for fallen mankind. That's why John the baptist called him the Lamb of God and why he is referred to as our Passover and is also one reason why Jesus said that it was finished just before dying on the cross.


Of course we are still under obligation to the essence of the moral law as epitomized in the Ten Commandments, such as not to steal, bear false witness, murder, commit adultery and refrain from many of the other things that the Law describes as abominations such as bestiality. The crucial difference is that now our sins are atoned for and w can be considered holy based on that atonement via Christ and worthy of eternal life.

This is all explained in the book of Hebrews and understanding it will help the reader see the clear distinction between how Christians should view the Mosaic the Law after Christ and how it was viewed prior to Christ.

 

[Radrook]

Not all writings are inspired by God.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

If this is true, one might not be able to support inerrancy of the Bible, even though it contains facts. Paul did not support the law in its entirety. He did not advise circumcising Gentiles, nor to make them bound to the laws of Moses. The apostles did advise abstaining from fornication and sexual immorality. Jesus taught against murder, anger, lust, adultery and other sins. Jesus taught God is more than some writings in a book. God is alive.

Yet Paul wrote to Timothy that ALL scripture is inspired of God and beneficial.

 

[Colter]

The bible is one long series of revelatory events followed by human speculation and conjecture, repeat. The original, pre-cross gospel of Jesus will eventually be proclaimed to the world.

 

[Radrook]

There is a certain academic pressure not to interpret any of the things that are discovered as evidence which supports a global flood at the time specified by the Bible. This is understandable since such an extremely unpopular interpretation would inevitably result in a withdrawal of funds, ridicule, and a ruined reputation.

 

[Colter]

Yet Paul wrote to Timothy that ALL scripture is inspired of God and beneficial.

And the church government converted that letter into "scripture" as well. That's the process in religion by which the opinions of men become the sacred writings of God.

 

[Colter]

The single greatest obstacle for the Jews in accepting Jesus' teaching, identity and office was taking their own scripture and themselves too seriously. Today, born into a ready- made religion, we take for granted that Jesus should have been very obvious and easily adopted/converted to on behalf of his Jewish brethren, that the OT scripture was a natural, seamless transition to the gospel.

 

[Radrook]

And the church government converted that letter into "scripture" as well. That's the process in religion by which the opinions of men become the sacred writings of God.

Paul was acknowledging that what had been traditionally considered inspired scripture was inspired scripture even though those who wrote were sinful imperfect mean. He al;so said that they were bourn along by holy spirit and that the ideas were not their own. His reference that all have sinned and all fall short of the glory of god is referring to the human condition which
required a savior or redeemer. But as you can see, such a condition did not prevent

And the church government converted that letter into "scripture" as well. That's the process in religion by which the opinions of men become the sacred writings of God.

Paul did not believe that the fallen fallen human condition prevented God from using humans to convey his thoughts via inspiration.

 

[Colter]

Paul was acknowledging that what had been traditionally considered inspired scripture was inspired scripture even though those who wrote were sinful imperfect mean. He al;so said that they were bourn along by holy spirit and that the ideas were not their own. His reference that all have sinned and all fall short of the glory of god is referring to the human condition which
required a savior or redeemer. But as you can see, such a condition did not prevent


Paul did not believe that the fallen fallen human condition prevented God from using humans to convey his thoughts via inspiration.

The incorruptible using the corruptible to produce a document of perfection. I wish he would have proofread and fact checked the corruptible before publication!

 

[Radrook]

The incorruptible using the corruptible to produce a document of perfection. I wish he would have proofread and fact checked the corruptible before publication!

Well, many of the perceived flaws can be traced to misunderstandings, unwarranted assumptions, unfamiliarity with the historical social conditions as well as with the original languages that were used. Many of the complaints I have come across are from folks who hear an anti-biblical rumor and choose to accept it as irrefutable fact without taking time to investigate the matter. The vast majority of those who find faults are persons who haven't even read the Bible.

Others are extremely quick in accepting ant-biblical rumors because they want to be on the scientific side of the issue and anything biblical is immediately and unceremoniously as well as mindlessly dismissed as ignorance.

That has been my experience with many of the anti-biblical criticisms.

Actually, most of the people who choose to criticize the Bible do not know what it's purpose is and view it as simply a hodge podge of ancient drivel strung together without very little rhyme or reason. This seems to be a peculiarity which those who speak about the Koran do not share.

 

[dqhall]

Paul wrote that the law as embodied in its ceremonial aspects of the priesthood and its obligatory sacrifices was merely the prophetic shadow of foretold realities and not the very substance. He explained that such shadows became a reality in Christ
and were no longer necessary to foretell what had now already been fulfilled. He explained that the high priest symbolized Jesus and that the most holy signified heaven itself where Jesus would enter with the value of his own blood and offer it on our behalf.. So all those sacrifices foreshadowed Jesus' own sacrifice for fallen mankind. That's why John the baptist called him the Lamb of God and why he is referred to as our Passover and is also one reason why Jesus said that it was finished just before dying on the cross.


Of course we are still under obligation to the essence of the moral law as epitomized in the Ten Commandments, such as not to steal, bear false witness, murder, commit adultery and refrain from many of the other things that the Law describes as abominations such as bestiality. The crucial difference is that now our sins are atoned for and w can be considered holy based on that atonement via Christ and worthy of eternal life.

We also find evidence that Jesus disapproved of the sellers of sacrificial doves and money changers in the Temple. Such things were required by the Jews of the day according to the scriptures. Further Talmudic legal code only allowed a certain type of coinage as acceptable for temple offerings, thus the money changers.

Jesus opposed the sacrificial offerings that were considered scriptural in his day:

Hosea 6:6 (KJV)
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Matthew 9:13 (KJV)
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

If we reject the law regarding sin offerings, we cannot affirm the Bible as a perfect work. If we find the law against murder is greater than the law requiring stoning people for adultery or Sabbath violations, then we are reformed.