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You do realize that there is a big difference between them agreeing that Jesus existed and believing the accounts in the Gospels, don't you?
For example every historian agrees that this man was that Abraham Lincoln was the 16th President of the United States of America. But there are many stories about him that very few believe. The worst being Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter.
It used to amaze me that those that study the Bible seriously had a higher atheism rate than the general public. When I believed I thought that Biblical scholars should have the strongest beliefs. But as I studied more myself I saw why they had a higher rate. Studying the Bible and religion in general is a pathway to atheism.
Perhaps that is why the Catholic Church was so against private ownership of Bibles for so long.
The demons even obey Jesus. (and the disciples of Jesus).I would draw the line at saying this person was a supernatural/natural being all God/all Man.
You do realize that there is a big difference between them agreeing that Jesus existed and believing the accounts in the Gospels, don't you?
For example every historian agrees that this man was that Abraham Lincoln was the 16th President of the United States of America. But there are many stories about him that very few believe. The worst being Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter.
That is understandable. If not led by the Holy Spirit study isn't much good, from a spiritual point of view. God grants understanding to those he calls and those who study as a way to seek him.
You do realize that there is a big difference between them agreeing that Jesus existed and believing the accounts in the Gospels, don't you?
Yes.You do realize that there is a big difference between them agreeing that Jesus existed and believing the accounts in the Gospels, don't you?
Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically, although the quest for the historical Jesus has produced little agreement on the historical reliability of the Gospels and on how closely the biblical Jesus reflects the historical Jesus.
It doesn't amaze me.Subduction Zone said:It used to amaze me that those that study the Bible seriously had a higher atheism rate than the general public.
Watch it, next you'll be telling us that Elizabeth Bennett was not a kick-ass zombie slayer!You do realize that there is a big difference between them agreeing that Jesus existed and believing the accounts in the Gospels, don't you?
For example every historian agrees that this man was that Abraham Lincoln was the 16th President of the United States of America. But there are many stories about him that very few believe. The worst being Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter.
It used to amaze me that those that study the Bible seriously had a higher atheism rate than the general public. When I believed I thought that Biblical scholars should have the strongest beliefs. But as I studied more myself I saw why they had a higher rate. Studying the Bible and religion in general is a pathway to atheism.
Perhaps that is why the Catholic Church was so against private ownership of Bibles for so long.
That's a very very common deception.But then, perhaps I hold truth to a higher standard than certain all-knowing beings.
'May have'!?As I said, he may have existed as a person ...
Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically,
That's where it started.Science can go to Hell.
'May have'!?
Here it is again:
And that merely generates a "may have" in you?
Consensus of opinion you guys preach can take a hike here, can't it?
You think I don't catch this stuff?
Science can go to Hell.
'May have'!?
Here it is again:
Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically,
And that merely generates a "may have" in you?
It is possible to labour a point.
Yes.
I cut that sentence off at the comma, since the rest of it didn't matter to the point I was making; but here it is in its entirety:
Op. cit.
It doesn't amaze me.
Paul warned not to get so caught up in physical reality that it subordinates the spiritual world.
As well as warned us not to get caught up in evolution ...
Not to mention Linnaean philosophy, which can lead to atheism ...
Solomon, a true blue scientist of his time who had apes imported for study ...
... concluded this ...
(Notice he calls evolution an "invention," not a "discovery"?)
((And also note that he used peacocks, not finches like Darwin documented in his book, The Preservation of Favoured Races.))
Thus Solomon calls evolution a discovery, and Paul calls evolution "endless genealogies" that does nothing but gender more pointless questions that doesn't lead to Godly edification.
Yes, indeed!Yet thankfully, as you acknowledge, there is a remnent of true believers who are scientists also, and who seek and who speak the truth,
instead of the mandatory lies of society/ the devil/ perniciously.
That doesn't mean that atheists who constantly recycle nonsense from people like Gerald Massey or Godfrey Higgins can't be irritating. Usually they haven't got a clue about the origins of the garbage they are enthusiastically regurgitating, but they are quite sure that to be "skeptical" is automatically super sophisticated, and therefore they must have scholarly opinion on their side. Naturally, any scholar who doesn't agree with them is necessarily "biased" (even if that scholar happens to be an atheist or a Jew).
I get consensus of opinion* shoved at me all the time, like it should mean something.It is possible to labour a point.
It is hard to take anyone seriously when they use unnatural imitation of Hebrew writing styles.Seeking YHWH is the WAY, TRUTH and LIFE.
Most people go along with you to destruction , defilement and death forever.
Everyone chooses.
LOL ... now we're gonna Arab phone 'modern scholars of antiquity' to 'New Testament scholars'?He is attempting to utilize my lack of actual "care" as to what the concensus of New Testament scholars are in this area to make a point about how many of us refer to the concensus on things like Global Warming or Evolution, etc.
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