Subduction Zone
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Nothing there to indicate that he used magic. If your God exists he still could have used natural processes. In fact the evidence indicates that the Earth had a natural start.
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Nothing there to indicate that he used magic. If your God exists he still could have used natural processes. In fact the evidence indicates that the Earth had a natural start."In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth". Good enough for me.
Is Palestine squatting on the Promised Land?There is no need to invoke the supernatural for any part of Earth's history.
Apparently you've never watched the tide come in.
NIs Palestine squatting on the Promised Land?
(Or do you even understand the question?)
As far as they know, it never happened.
You could say that about certain other stories, but Noah's Ark is something that has been completely ruled out. It's incompatible with the reality of human genetics, biodiversity, human migration, the history of civilizations, and so many other realms of knowledge.As far as they know, it never happened.
The laws of nature are supernatural. Science is the study of supernatural creation.
And yet they say that if there was an ark it wouldn't have survived
It seems to me that much of their skepticism rests on the contention that the ark as described would not be 'seaworthy'.
If they had to admit that such a structure could survive then they would be faced with yet more concessions regarding the story
I believe this is why they will not admit that the ark was not a 'ship' or 'boat' of some familiar design.
Why do you think I'm a YEC?
You appear to be taking a literal read on the Noachian Flood, which would seem to indicate that you think
1) The Flood happened within human history
2) It explains much of the geology we see around us
If it is not the case that you are YEC, then what do you suppose was happening on earth for intervening few billion years? And how do you propose that sediment laid down only a couple thousand years ago has become solid rock while humanity watched but failed to note this?
Then this doosey ...
... can take a hike.There is no need to invoke the supernatural for any part of Earth's history.
Really? Let's find out, shall we?Subduction Zone said:And yes I understand the question.
God does everything his natural way. To God nothing is a miracle, everything he does has a logical explanation.Nothing there to indicate that he used magic. If your God exists he still could have used natural processes. In fact the evidence indicates that the Earth had a natural start.
I predict that he'll invoke the supernatural again.
God does everything his natural way. To God nothing is a miracle, everything he does has a logical explanation.
And I'm fine with that. Perhaps his position is other than YEC, it could be that he believes the earth to be billions of years old with standard geology until a couple thousand years ago when God suddenly changed all the rules of physics, chemistry and geology for a few months and somehow created a new earth in a very short period of time.
That would mean he isn't a YEC but he is definitely utilizing YEC type reasoning when it comes to the mechanisms of the geologic structures.
Then this doosey ...
... can take a hike.
Isn't that what they call Old Earth Creationism?
True, religion contains human speculation and conjecture. Genesis was the creation of holy men of faith who developed a comprehensive story of origins for public consumption. In doing so they culled from some of what we would term distant "super natural" events, embellished them for effect and in ignorance of there meaning, and then wove them in with the natural. In that enchanted age people may not have questioned the creation story, today we know parts of it are simply not true.This sounds like it might be somewhat circular. Of course everything God does is natural to His way. He would be completely outside of nature. I think the deeper point of the other poster is that for those of us inside nature the processes that occur follow very specific rules that are inviolable. Just as if I were watching a soccer game I can use my hands to hold a ball, but if I am IN a soccer match and not the goalie I can't.
If I see a rock layer that looks exactly like countless of other structures I've seen that is lain down over the course of a long period of time and turns into a rock upon burial and cementation and diagenesis etc. then I am reasonable in assuming the rock I see took that long and that process to form. It would be irrational for me to assume it was placed there by a "miracle", even if God were to be able to make such a miracle.
And this leads to the further point of: why would God set up natural laws only to violate them and make things look other than what they appear to be? That is the essence of duplicity and deceit and I cannot think of a Christian alive who thinks God would do that.
This gets old, but since you're new, I'll explain it again for about the 80th time.If the Biblical Flood happened it would leave a trace that was only explicable via the story. UNLESS GOD CLEANED EVERYTHING UP TO THE POINT WHERE NO EVIDENCE WAS LEFT. And that would be deceitful. I doubt that God, if He existed, would be deceitful.
This gets old, but since you're new, I'll explain it again for about the 80th time.
God cleaned up His mess.
And if you call that "deceit," then I submit you have a serious problem with sanitation and safety environments.
It's hard to call it "deceit" when God documented what He did
, when He did it, how He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, and who the eyewitnesses were.
But, of course, if that's your bag, then that's your bag.
You're no different than those in Biblical times who accused Jesus of deceit too.
Matthew 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
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